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OBAMA TO BAN BULLETS BY EXEC. ORDER! | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 60852438  United States02/26/2015 09:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It’s started. Quoting: MP2302 As promised, President Obama is using executive actions to impose gun control on the nation, targeting the top-selling rifle in the country, the AR-15 style semi-automatic, with a ban on one of the most-used AR bullets by sportsmen and target shooters. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives this month revealed that it is putting the ban on 5.56mm ammo on a fast track, immediately driving up the price of the bullets and prompting retailers, including the huge outdoors company Cabela’s, to urge sportsmen to urge Congress to stop the president [link to www.washingtonexaminer.com]  And the REASON being given for this HIGHLY ILLEGAL infringement on people's right to keep and bear arms? well, evidently we can keep our arms. but the Constitution says nothing about "bullets".  |
EVERYTHING BURNS!  User ID: 24827328 United States02/26/2015 09:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It’s started. Quoting: MP2302 As promised, President Obama is using executive actions to impose gun control on the nation, targeting the top-selling rifle in the country, the AR-15 style semi-automatic, with a ban on one of the most-used AR bullets by sportsmen and target shooters. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives this month revealed that it is putting the ban on 5.56mm ammo on a fast track, immediately driving up the price of the bullets and prompting retailers, including the huge outdoors company Cabela’s, to urge sportsmen to urge Congress to stop the president [link to www.washingtonexaminer.com] And the REASON being given for this HIGHLY ILLEGAL infringement on people's right to keep and bear arms? Because the 'Right to Bear Arms' doesn't include ammunition. Should've been more detailed a looooooong time ago. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 62269703 United States02/26/2015 09:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this should be a perfect issue for the next Republican presidential nominee. he will promise to reverse Obama's action and will point out that Shrillary will expand it to most other popular calibers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60484924 This has gone far beyond the next stupid election. This is treason at all levels of government. To put it simply, fuck elections. Time to mount up and fix this problem. I can't believe we let it get this far. So where do we meet and when. I think thats the major issue right now. No organization amongst the like minded. |
| EVERYTHING BURNS! User ID: 24827328 United States02/26/2015 09:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this should be a perfect issue for the next Republican presidential nominee. he will promise to reverse Obama's action and will point out that Shrillary will expand it to most other popular calibers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60484924 This has gone far beyond the next stupid election. This is treason at all levels of government. To put it simply, fuck elections. Time to mount up and fix this problem. I can't believe we let it get this far. So where do we meet and when. I think thats the major issue right now. No organization amongst the like minded. Discuss somewhere else. Can't form organized protesting on this site anymore. |
| the sercher User ID: 49193166 United States02/26/2015 09:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 57763047 United States02/26/2015 09:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 68370353 United States02/26/2015 09:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How many cops in the last 10 years have been shot with an AR15 pistol? I bet zero. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63884170 One in the past or in the future would be one TOO MANY. Time to get this dangerous ammunition off the streets There are many more people being killed by cops than cops being killed by people. Every time a cop gets killed we hear about it. But, we don't hear about every person killed by a cop. In the last few years I have read numerous articles of cops killing innocent unarmed people. Much greater in number than the number of cops that were killed by people. I really think it's the cops that need their ammo taken away based on the stories I have read. Flash banging babies in their cribs, shooting grandma in her bed, killing an old war veteran in his own house, killing mom in the backyard, shooting a young girl driving away in her car, shooting the neighbor who is trying to help someone in trouble, killing the child with the toy gun and shooting the old family pet tied to the front porch just because he rose up and barked like he's suppose to do. Yeah, that dangerous ammo seems to be much more dangerous in the hands of the cops than the hands of the civilian. What a load of B.S. you believe. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 49193166 United States02/26/2015 10:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 65312694 United States02/26/2015 10:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have a sneaky suspicion that lead ammo manufacturers are putting big money behind stopping this change to a higher performance, more environmentally friendly bullet. I love President bashing as much as the next guy, but this seems like a positive change. [link to www.guns.com] This bullet will become standard issue despite U.S. taxpayers having to pay 1.4 cents per round sold until 2027 for patent infringement to Liberty Ammunition(inventor of the M855A1 EPR). [link to www.nationaldefensemagazine.org] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22035684 United States02/26/2015 10:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 60852438 United States02/26/2015 10:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The NRA needs to sue the Federal government and have the Supreme Court rule that "arms" includes the ammo. That'll lock it in. In the meantime as it's being duked out in the courts, it'll put a hold on current legislation or executive orders. Quoting: Fist McKraken well, it's true that for a reasonable persons "arms" are not "arms" without bullets. but then, the Supreme Court are not reasonable people. . |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 52410732 United States02/26/2015 10:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How many cops in the last 10 years have been shot with an AR15 pistol? I bet zero. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63884170 One in the past or in the future would be one TOO MANY. Time to get this dangerous ammunition off the streets LOL - Tard. This is green tip 5.56 ammo and it is lead core not steel core and any normal hunting rifle round loaded with a solid copper bullet (environmentally friendly) will penetrate type II armor also and do more damage and that will still be available in 223/5.56. Hell a 460 S+W magnum pistol loaded with Barnes copper bullets would be about 20x worse. Remember the California nature loving Condor tards that demanded lead free bullets ? Well that only added greatly to the number of manufactures making solid copper bullets. How about copper solids for African game. Better ban those too. Geez you could probably hard cast lead bullet in 308 that would penetrate type II armor. This is nothing more than a govt grab at gun owners freedoms. That or since we are coming out of wars in the middle east more than likely its an excuse not to dump 1-2 billion rounds of surplus 5.56 on the market. A simple google proves you wrong. Green tip ammunition has a hardened steel embedded tip. So you'd both be the "tards". [link to en.m.wikipedia.org] Select military and scroll to m855..... It does have a steel tip but does not have a steel core. ITs nothing special. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 32667213 United States02/26/2015 10:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The NRA needs to sue the Federal government and have the Supreme Court rule that "arms" includes the ammo. That'll lock it in. In the meantime as it's being duked out in the courts, it'll put a hold on current legislation or executive orders. Quoting: Fist McKraken Oh yeah gun lawyers, for sure. /sarc |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 52410732 United States02/26/2015 10:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It’s started. Quoting: MP2302 As promised, President Obama is using executive actions to impose gun control on the nation, targeting the top-selling rifle in the country, the AR-15 style semi-automatic, with a ban on one of the most-used AR bullets by sportsmen and target shooters. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives this month revealed that it is putting the ban on 5.56mm ammo on a fast track, immediately driving up the price of the bullets and prompting retailers, including the huge outdoors company Cabela’s, to urge sportsmen to urge Congress to stop the president [link to www.washingtonexaminer.com] And the REASON being given for this HIGHLY ILLEGAL infringement on people's right to keep and bear arms? Is basically because you can shoot this armor piercing green tipped ammo in a ar15 PISTOL. But there are is a lot of hunting ammo out there that you can shoot in a pistol too that will penetrate body armor but it is not specifically designed as such. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 60852438 United States02/26/2015 10:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| EVERYTHING BURNS! User ID: 24827328 United States02/26/2015 10:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It’s started. Quoting: MP2302 As promised, President Obama is using executive actions to impose gun control on the nation, targeting the top-selling rifle in the country, the AR-15 style semi-automatic, with a ban on one of the most-used AR bullets by sportsmen and target shooters. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives this month revealed that it is putting the ban on 5.56mm ammo on a fast track, immediately driving up the price of the bullets and prompting retailers, including the huge outdoors company Cabela’s, to urge sportsmen to urge Congress to stop the president [link to www.washingtonexaminer.com] And the REASON being given for this HIGHLY ILLEGAL infringement on people's right to keep and bear arms? Is basically because you can shoot this armor piercing green tipped ammo in a ar15 PISTOL. But there are is a lot of hunting ammo out there that you can shoot in a pistol too that will penetrate body armor but it is not specifically designed as such. Even more mind blowing is that if you e ever seen an ar15 pistol, they are still huge and definitely wouldn't be mistaken for a 'handgun'. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 52410732 United States02/26/2015 10:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | man, seriously what are they so afraid of? Are they really that scared of us? if most people dont pay attention to what they do now then why do they need to control us more? it doesn't make any sense. Quoting: the sercher 49193166 IMO - I think its mostly because TPTB dont want to dump 1-2 billion rounds of the stuff, IE surplus out of the middle east on the public. That and Obama and his chronies hates guns and probably put pressure on the ATF to ban this particular ammo. They are banning it due to being able to be used out of an AR15 pistol, not a rifle. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 52410732 United States02/26/2015 10:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It’s started. Quoting: MP2302 As promised, President Obama is using executive actions to impose gun control on the nation, targeting the top-selling rifle in the country, the AR-15 style semi-automatic, with a ban on one of the most-used AR bullets by sportsmen and target shooters. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives this month revealed that it is putting the ban on 5.56mm ammo on a fast track, immediately driving up the price of the bullets and prompting retailers, including the huge outdoors company Cabela’s, to urge sportsmen to urge Congress to stop the president [link to www.washingtonexaminer.com] And the REASON being given for this HIGHLY ILLEGAL infringement on people's right to keep and bear arms? Is basically because you can shoot this armor piercing green tipped ammo in a ar15 PISTOL. But there are is a lot of hunting ammo out there that you can shoot in a pistol too that will penetrate body armor but it is not specifically designed as such. Even more mind blowing is that if you e ever seen an ar15 pistol, they are still huge and definitely wouldn't be mistaken for a 'handgun'. An ar15 pistol is no more than an AR15 short barreled rifle really and its still a rifle in my book. Persoanlly I dont see the use, but whatever. Really mind blowing is when you start looking at things like if its designated a pistol how much jail time you can do by adding a buttstock, or swapping barrels around from pistol to rifle, rifle to pistol when you dont have your paperwork in order. Huge jail time in some cases. |
| TerrorByte User ID: 15766346 United States02/26/2015 10:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Really though? Who is giving obama the orders to do all this? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68126986 Is it really all his idea? Who is giving him the orders? That is what i'm wondering too and also why no one will dare to stop him. This is going to fall on all of their heads eventually. Man, I wish he would just go play golf or something. |
| Strike User ID: 68356193 United States02/26/2015 10:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68321216 And the REASON being given for this HIGHLY ILLEGAL infringement on people's right to keep and bear arms? Is basically because you can shoot this armor piercing green tipped ammo in a ar15 PISTOL. But there are is a lot of hunting ammo out there that you can shoot in a pistol too that will penetrate body armor but it is not specifically designed as such. Even more mind blowing is that if you e ever seen an ar15 pistol, they are still huge and definitely wouldn't be mistaken for a 'handgun'. An ar15 pistol is no more than an AR15 short barreled rifle really and its still a rifle in my book. Persoanlly I dont see the use, but whatever. Really mind blowing is when you start looking at things like if its designated a pistol how much jail time you can do by adding a buttstock, or swapping barrels around from pistol to rifle, rifle to pistol when you dont have your paperwork in order. Huge jail time in some cases. Having a shorter overall length from stock to muzzle enables you to more easily maneuver your weapon in a confined space but also retaining accuracy at distance when needed. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 52410732 United States02/26/2015 10:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52410732 Is basically because you can shoot this armor piercing green tipped ammo in a ar15 PISTOL. But there are is a lot of hunting ammo out there that you can shoot in a pistol too that will penetrate body armor but it is not specifically designed as such. Even more mind blowing is that if you e ever seen an ar15 pistol, they are still huge and definitely wouldn't be mistaken for a 'handgun'. An ar15 pistol is no more than an AR15 short barreled rifle really and its still a rifle in my book. Persoanlly I dont see the use, but whatever. Really mind blowing is when you start looking at things like if its designated a pistol how much jail time you can do by adding a buttstock, or swapping barrels around from pistol to rifle, rifle to pistol when you dont have your paperwork in order. Huge jail time in some cases. Having a shorter overall length from stock to muzzle enables you to more easily maneuver your weapon in a confined space but also retaining accuracy at distance when needed. Yes I understand and easier to conceal, but I personally could care less about an AR15 pistol. I can see that it would fit a role for police or military. |
| Strike User ID: 68356193 United States02/26/2015 10:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: EVERYTHING BURNS! Even more mind blowing is that if you e ever seen an ar15 pistol, they are still huge and definitely wouldn't be mistaken for a 'handgun'. An ar15 pistol is no more than an AR15 short barreled rifle really and its still a rifle in my book. Persoanlly I dont see the use, but whatever. Really mind blowing is when you start looking at things like if its designated a pistol how much jail time you can do by adding a buttstock, or swapping barrels around from pistol to rifle, rifle to pistol when you dont have your paperwork in order. Huge jail time in some cases. Having a shorter overall length from stock to muzzle enables you to more easily maneuver your weapon in a confined space but also retaining accuracy at distance when needed. Yes I understand and easier to conceal, but I personally could care less about an AR15 pistol. I can see that it would fit a role for police or military. Because you can? If the foundation of your nation provides the freedom to own "arms" you might aswell use it. Why does anyone drink coffee, soda, eat junk food and watch movies. They can. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 64312029 United States02/26/2015 10:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52410732 Is basically because you can shoot this armor piercing green tipped ammo in a ar15 PISTOL. But there are is a lot of hunting ammo out there that you can shoot in a pistol too that will penetrate body armor but it is not specifically designed as such. Even more mind blowing is that if you e ever seen an ar15 pistol, they are still huge and definitely wouldn't be mistaken for a 'handgun'. An ar15 pistol is no more than an AR15 short barreled rifle really and its still a rifle in my book. Persoanlly I dont see the use, but whatever. Really mind blowing is when you start looking at things like if its designated a pistol how much jail time you can do by adding a buttstock, or swapping barrels around from pistol to rifle, rifle to pistol when you dont have your paperwork in order. Huge jail time in some cases. Having a shorter overall length from stock to muzzle enables you to more easily maneuver your weapon in a confined space but also retaining accuracy at distance when needed. |
| Desert Fox 02/26/2015 10:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The more his unlawful and unconstitutional EO's go unchallenged, the more emboldened he becomes. This isn't going to stop unless he's handcuffed and ripped from the Oval Office kicking and screaming. Quoting: Bozo Bignose BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :TOMABANEFOX: It's more humane this way ya know, or burn on totem pole. Choice is yours. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 68414202 United States02/26/2015 11:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've been getting conflicting information that the M855 was missing in the EO and it could relate to all 5.56 ammo... I've read the 2 articles posted, including the Forbes. They just comment about the EO... Would like to get the facts straight and I'm not from Missouri....lol |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 52410732 United States02/26/2015 11:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52410732 An ar15 pistol is no more than an AR15 short barreled rifle really and its still a rifle in my book. Persoanlly I dont see the use, but whatever. Really mind blowing is when you start looking at things like if its designated a pistol how much jail time you can do by adding a buttstock, or swapping barrels around from pistol to rifle, rifle to pistol when you dont have your paperwork in order. Huge jail time in some cases. Having a shorter overall length from stock to muzzle enables you to more easily maneuver your weapon in a confined space but also retaining accuracy at distance when needed. Yes I understand and easier to conceal, but I personally could care less about an AR15 pistol. I can see that it would fit a role for police or military. Because you can? If the foundation of your nation provides the freedom to own "arms" you might aswell use it. Why does anyone drink coffee, soda, eat junk food and watch movies. They can. I am not saying I am against them. I just dont have a need for a SBR personally. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 66113571 United States02/26/2015 11:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It’s started. Quoting: MP2302 As promised, President Obama is using executive actions to impose gun control on the nation, targeting the top-selling rifle in the country, the AR-15 style semi-automatic, with a ban on one of the most-used AR bullets by sportsmen and target shooters. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives this month revealed that it is putting the ban on 5.56mm ammo on a fast track, immediately driving up the price of the bullets and prompting retailers, including the huge outdoors company Cabela’s, to urge sportsmen to urge Congress to stop the president [link to www.washingtonexaminer.com] And the REASON being given for this HIGHLY ILLEGAL infringement on people's right to keep and bear arms? Is basically because you can shoot this armor piercing green tipped ammo in a ar15 PISTOL. But there are is a lot of hunting ammo out there that you can shoot in a pistol too that will penetrate body armor but it is not specifically designed as such. Even more mind blowing is that if you e ever seen an ar15 pistol, they are still huge and definitely wouldn't be mistaken for a 'handgun'. What is your position here? Please explain |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 60852438 United States02/26/2015 11:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 52410732 United States02/26/2015 11:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Does anyone have a link to the actual wording of the EO??? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68414202 I've been getting conflicting information that the M855 was missing in the EO and it could relate to all 5.56 ammo... I've read the 2 articles posted, including the Forbes. They just comment about the EO... Would like to get the facts straight and I'm not from Missouri....lol Not sure on the EO. Basically its a reinterpretation by the ATF per BO's request of a 30-year-old law regulating "armor piercing” ammunition. |
