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True separation of church and state, does it exist in this world ?

 
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With no separation of church and state, should we not at least make the new Americans take a vow of allegiance to the American way and laws prior to accepting them in ?
Dearborn comes to mind as to what not to let happen.
This wont end well if we don't all play by the same rules.
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What is the "American way"? sounds exactly like the "British values", which IS the Trojan horse,
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Do you behead people because they speak badly about your religious leaders who are dead, does badmouthing a dead pope or queen or king equate to a need to behead you ? that is what i mean about the American way, free speech and such...

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Re: True separation of church and state, does it exist in this world ?
Take a look at the founders of Rhode Island
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Re: True separation of church and state, does it exist in this world ?
My ancestors fought long for this separation..that no longer exists.
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Did it ever in truth or was it simply obscured to you ? Revelation ?
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Re: True separation of church and state, does it exist in this world ?
With no separation of church and state, should we not at least make the new Americans take a vow of allegiance to the American way and laws prior to accepting them in ?
Dearborn comes to mind as to what not to let happen.
This wont end well if we don't all play by the same rules.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65492692


What is the "American way"? sounds exactly like the "British values", which IS the Trojan horse,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68471168


Do you behead people because they speak badly about your religious leaders who are dead, does badmouthing a dead pope or queen or king equate to a need to behead you ? that is what i mean about the American way, free speech and such...
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Even the Pope has said he would sock you in the mouth...
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Re: True separation of church and state, does it exist in this world ?
My ancestors fought long for this separation..that no longer exists.
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Did it ever in truth or was it simply obscured to you ? Revelation ?
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Is freemasonry a religion ?
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Re: True separation of church and state, does it exist in this world ?
My ancestors fought long for this separation..that no longer exists.
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Did it ever in truth or was it simply obscured to you ? Revelation ?
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I see what you are saying. I think per haps yes, for a time
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Re: True separation of church and state, does it exist in this world ?
My ancestors fought long for this separation..that no longer exists.
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Did it ever in truth or was it simply obscured to you ? Revelation ?
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Is freemasonry a religion ?
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btw, freemasonry is a religion to, u are required to pick one, before becoming a member.
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Re: True separation of church and state, does it exist in this world ?
The church (omit name) tells me we are to support this government and they do not involve themselves in politics.

My question is do we support the state religion too then ? and what religion is that exactly ? which one did the founding fathers set up shop under ?
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the state religion
is anyone who has a 501c3 exemption
so, it's babylon (confusion)
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The state religion, is belief in autority, from the fictional system called government. You cannot seperate religious belief from statism, since it's required for it's sustainability.
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actualy, the state gets it's authority from God
without God they become a tyranny (like the antichrist will rule)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56144605
NO governments don't get any authority from God, God never authorized governments. The people who do buisiness under the titles of government, get their authority, from the people who hire them to these managerial possitions. These are fellow citizens, with the same authority and rights over their nieghbors, as everyother person has, which is NONE!!!.
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Re: True separation of church and state, does it exist in this world ?
Will freedom of religion be the downfall of the United states, together we stand divided we fall.
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they have already ended freedom of religion
now you have to submit to the state
to have a church
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Re: True separation of church and state, does it exist in this world ?
With no separation of church and state, should we not at least make the new Americans take a vow of allegiance to the American way and laws prior to accepting them in ?
Dearborn comes to mind as to what not to let happen.
This wont end well if we don't all play by the same rules.
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america was founded on freedom of conscience for all
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Re: True separation of church and state, does it exist in this world ?
Governments are established to organize society around accepted rules..which stem from ethics..which stem from morals...which inherently stems from religious perspective.

So op = true.
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Re: True separation of church and state, does it exist in this world ?
With no separation of church and state, should we not at least make the new Americans take a vow of allegiance to the American way and laws prior to accepting them in ?
Dearborn comes to mind as to what not to let happen.
This wont end well if we don't all play by the same rules.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65492692


What is the "American way"? sounds exactly like the "British values", which IS the Trojan horse,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68471168


Do you behead people because they speak badly about your religious leaders who are dead, does badmouthing a dead pope or queen or king equate to a need to behead you ? that is what i mean about the American way, free speech and such...
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free speech was not given for slander
it was given to enable truth to rise above the swamp of lies
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Re: True separation of church and state, does it exist in this world ?
My ancestors fought long for this separation..that no longer exists.
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Did it ever in truth or was it simply obscured to you ? Revelation ?
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why did so many different people groups move to the USA?
for freedom of conscience
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Re: True separation of church and state, does it exist in this world ?
My ancestors fought long for this separation..that no longer exists.
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Did it ever in truth or was it simply obscured to you ? Revelation ?
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Is freemasonry a religion ?
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it is a non-religion
posing as the syntesis of religion
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the state religion
is anyone who has a 501c3 exemption
so, it's babylon (confusion)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56144605
The state religion, is belief in autority, from the fictional system called government. You cannot seperate religious belief from statism, since it's required for it's sustainability.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65989994


actualy, the state gets it's authority from God
without God they become a tyranny (like the antichrist will rule)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56144605
NO governments don't get any authority from God, God never authorized governments. The people who do buisiness under the titles of government, get their authority, from the people who hire them to these managerial possitions. These are fellow citizens, with the same authority and rights over their nieghbors, as everyother person has, which is NONE!!!.

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govt.was given by God
to protect the innocent
and to punish those who harm them
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Re: True separation of church and state, does it exist in this world ?
Governments are established to organize society around accepted rules..which stem from ethics..which stem from morals...which inherently stems from religious perspective.

So op = true.
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but, voting allows the most healthy or popular beliefs to predominate
unless the population becomes unhealthy
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Re: True separation of church and state, does it exist in this world ?
Only to the extent that if one gets caught doing something illegal and immoral the other can claim to be the 'solution'.
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Re: True separation of church and state, does it exist in this world ?
Only to the extent that if one gets caught doing something illegal and immoral the other can claim to be the 'solution'.
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that is what a state church does
it feeds "criminals" to the state for "punishment"
that's how they got rid of Jesus
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The state religion, is belief in autority, from the fictional system called government. You cannot seperate religious belief from statism, since it's required for it's sustainability.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65989994


actualy, the state gets it's authority from God
without God they become a tyranny (like the antichrist will rule)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56144605
NO governments don't get any authority from God, God never authorized governments. The people who do buisiness under the titles of government, get their authority, from the people who hire them to these managerial possitions. These are fellow citizens, with the same authority and rights over their nieghbors, as everyother person has, which is NONE!!!.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65989994


govt.was given by God
to protect the innocent
and to punish those who harm them
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56144605
ALL governments are established, by the people, not God. We are not living under God as our government. Governments are established for, and need to be filled, with moral people, to protect the rights of every individual. Moral self-governance, is from God.
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Re: True separation of church and state, does it exist in this world ?
There's no such thing as "separation of church and state". Its not possible. Politics and political beliefs are just the manifestation of one's faith and beliefs carried out in daily life. Every action each of us take is a manifestation of our belief system, which includes whatever religious beliefs we hold. The premise that the two can be "separated" is absurd. They are one and the same.
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can't claim authorship of this quote, but my genius vietnam vet friend Sargent Rock once told me.... "Babylon exists because the Priests and Politicians contrive together to keep the people believing a Lie"
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actualy, the state gets it's authority from God
without God they become a tyranny (like the antichrist will rule)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56144605
NO governments don't get any authority from God, God never authorized governments. The people who do buisiness under the titles of government, get their authority, from the people who hire them to these managerial possitions. These are fellow citizens, with the same authority and rights over their nieghbors, as everyother person has, which is NONE!!!.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65989994


govt.was given by God
to protect the innocent
and to punish those who harm them
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56144605
ALL governments are established, by the people, not God. We are not living under God as our government. Governments are established for, and need to be filled, with moral people, to protect the rights of every individual. Moral self-governance, is from God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65989994


God uses govts which are just
and he never wanted the church
to be involved in secular govts
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Re: True separation of church and state, does it exist in this world ?
There's no such thing as "separation of church and state". Its not possible. Politics and political beliefs are just the manifestation of one's faith and beliefs carried out in daily life. Every action each of us take is a manifestation of our belief system, which includes whatever religious beliefs we hold. The premise that the two can be "separated" is absurd. They are one and the same.
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when a 501c3 church
binds itself to the state
they displace Jesus as head of the Church
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can't claim authorship of this quote, but my genius vietnam vet friend Sargent Rock once told me.... "Babylon exists because the Priests and Politicians contrive together to keep the people believing a Lie"
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this is the harlot to be gored by the beast
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The state religion, is belief in autority, from the fictional system called government. You cannot seperate religious belief from statism, since it's required for it's sustainability.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65989994


actualy, the state gets it's authority from God
without God they become a tyranny (like the antichrist will rule)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56144605
NO governments don't get any authority from God, God never authorized governments. The people who do buisiness under the titles of government, get their authority, from the people who hire them to these managerial possitions. These are fellow citizens, with the same authority and rights over their nieghbors, as everyother person has, which is NONE!!!.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65989994


govt.was given by God
to protect the innocent
and to punish those who harm them
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56144605




You have been drinking the KoolAid. Why do we submit to government? Because our parents did. Because our neighbors cower at their increasing power. God established His Authority. It is because you have been listening to Zionist trained pastors who tell you that the Power of the State is legitimate... it is not. Who would Jesus bomb? Your vote puts the blood of innocents upon your hands and conscience. Daniel did not obey, Christ did not obey Pilate who was illegitimate authority, because he did NOT answer Him... but when charged by the High Priest, he answered directly. You do not, and really no one I know understands True Authority. When sick do you go to the State for your Obamacare? Then that is the god in whom you place your trust. The legitimate Kingdom is around us and in our midst, but the churches kicked Him out a long time ago. Just try to stand up for the Truth in a Church.... They are subservient to their Jew Masters... as it was in the beginning, so shall it ever be... Until the collective turns it's gaze upon Him who is the ONLY Legitimate King.

Maranatha!

Nil Carborundum Illegitimus
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NO governments don't get any authority from God, God never authorized governments. The people who do buisiness under the titles of government, get their authority, from the people who hire them to these managerial possitions. These are fellow citizens, with the same authority and rights over their nieghbors, as everyother person has, which is NONE!!!.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65989994


govt.was given by God
to protect the innocent
and to punish those who harm them
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56144605
ALL governments are established, by the people, not God. We are not living under God as our government. Governments are established for, and need to be filled, with moral people, to protect the rights of every individual. Moral self-governance, is from God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65989994


God uses govts which are just
and he never wanted the church
to be involved in secular govts
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56144605
Secular governments, are by definition not Godly.
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actualy, the state gets it's authority from God
without God they become a tyranny (like the antichrist will rule)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56144605
NO governments don't get any authority from God, God never authorized governments. The people who do buisiness under the titles of government, get their authority, from the people who hire them to these managerial possitions. These are fellow citizens, with the same authority and rights over their nieghbors, as everyother person has, which is NONE!!!.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65989994


govt.was given by God
to protect the innocent
and to punish those who harm them
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56144605




You have been drinking the KoolAid. Why do we submit to government? Because our parents did. Because our neighbors cower at their increasing power. God established His Authority. It is because you have been listening to Zionist trained pastors who tell you that the Power of the State is legitimate... it is not. Who would Jesus bomb? Your vote puts the blood of innocents upon your hands and conscience. Daniel did not obey, Christ did not obey Pilate who was illegitimate authority, because he did NOT answer Him... but when charged by the High Priest, he answered directly. You do not, and really no one I know understands True Authority. When sick do you go to the State for your Obamacare? Then that is the god in whom you place your trust. The legitimate Kingdom is around us and in our midst, but the churches kicked Him out a long time ago. Just try to stand up for the Truth in a Church.... They are subservient to their Jew Masters... as it was in the beginning, so shall it ever be... Until the collective turns it's gaze upon Him who is the ONLY Legitimate King.

Maranatha!

Nil Carborundum Illegitimus
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Jesus was not an anarchist
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govt.was given by God
to protect the innocent
and to punish those who harm them
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56144605
ALL governments are established, by the people, not God. We are not living under God as our government. Governments are established for, and need to be filled, with moral people, to protect the rights of every individual. Moral self-governance, is from God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65989994


God uses govts which are just
and he never wanted the church
to be involved in secular govts
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56144605
Secular governments, are by definition not Godly.
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secular govts. can be just
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Re: True separation of church and state, does it exist in this world ?
My ancestors fought long for this separation..that no longer exists.
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Did it ever in truth or was it simply obscured to you ? Revelation ?
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why did so many different people groups move to the USA?
for freedom of conscience
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So when your freedoms acted upon, violate my conscience then what. ?





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