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Why muslims don't have monks?

 
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Why muslims don't have monks?
This is strange. wtf
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Re: Why muslims don't have monks?
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 Quoting: eScrew


They do have monks in Islam.
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Re: Why muslims don't have monks?
I've searched google and there is no confirmation that islam has monks.
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Re: Why muslims don't have monks?
search for "imam"
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Re: Why muslims don't have monks?
There are Islamic monks and mystics from Sufism, the core teachings of Islam that relate to transformation of the self. The writings of G.I. Gurdjieff and P.d. Ouspensky are based of Sufi mystical teachings. You obviously don't hear much about it these days, because like all mystic knowledge, it is partly based on the singlular unity of mankind, and thus is peaceful and does not seek to convert. Searching Sufism should give you a start....
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Re: Why muslims don't have monks?
To name a few orders: Dervishes such as Qadirites, Mevlevi and Rif'ai. The Shadhili are another.

Most Islamic monastic orders or brotherhoods are Sufi in origin. Not officially insitutionalised and not encouraged by Qur'anic tradition many of the Sufi and related orders are in practice monastic, though not to the extent as in several Christian Churches.
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Re: Why muslims don't have monks?
search for "imam"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 124516


Yes, they have imams but they are not monks. Even wikipedia don't mention Islamic imams as monks. Sufi monks don't count since they are closer to the occult than to traditional Islam.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Re: Why muslims don't have monks?
Yes, they have imams but they are not monks. Even wikipedia don't mention Islamic imams as monks. Sufi monks don't count since they are closer to the occult than to traditional Islam.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: eScrew


Same argument goes for most Christian monastic orders.

Perhaps you should make clear what you mean by the term 'monk'.
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Perhaps you should make clear what you mean by the term 'monk'.
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Definitions of monk on the Web:

A monk is a person who practices monasticism, adopting a strict religious and ascetic lifestyle, usually in community with others following the same path.
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Perhaps you should make clear what you mean by the term 'monk'.


Definitions of monk on the Web:

A monk is a person who practices monasticism, adopting a strict religious and ascetic lifestyle, usually in community with others following the same path.
 Quoting: eScrew


A definition which includes several of the Sufi orders. So yes, Islam has monks.
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Re: Why muslims don't have monks?
Sufi are related to Islam similar to Gnostics relationship to Christianity. I was talking about mainstream Islam.
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Re: Why muslims don't have monks?
Mainstream Islam probably cannot afford monks. They tend to strictly follow Gods path and that might not be very good for the cosmic Islam afterall.
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Re: Why muslims don't have monks?
the muslim book channeled to Muhammed does not contain any information on actually understanding the human body's energy structure. far from the eastern thought of meditation and oneness, it is instead a tale of an enlightened being who attempted to channel Source.

the injection of the concept of monkhood in Islamic life would encourage a positive change, and would also bring into the forefront the ability to branch off with spiritual leaders (catholics, protestants, unitarians, etc).

the world awaits for a charismatic figure to bring the world back to Balance.
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Re: Why muslims don't have monks?
Sufi are related to Islam similar to Gnostics relationship to Christianity. I was talking about mainstream Islam.
 Quoting: eScrew


In several Muslims countries Sufi is widespread enough to be called mainstream.

As opposed to mainstream Christianity? Protestantism had no monastic tradition. Can one say than that mainstream hristianity has no monks? If you divide Christianity in different denominations the same should apply to Islam.

When you asked 'Why do Muslims dont have monks?'you meant to say 'Why does Islam not have denominations that have large intitutionalised monastic entities like in Roman Catholisims or the Eastern Orthodox Church?'

Do you count the Old Irish monks as such or are they to be considered too gnostic? What about the anabaptist's or the nestorians?
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Re: Why muslims don't have monks?
I've searched google and there is no confirmation that islam has monks.
 Quoting: eScrew

You are expecting Islam monasticism to have the same aspect as Christian monasticism has.
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Plus, if you believe that all knowledge is obtainable from the Internet you are very mistaken...
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Re: Why muslims don't have monks?
where does Jesus say "become monks"?
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Re: Why muslims don't have monks?
This is strange. wtf
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Half the threads I've looked into today have been started by you. You're on a roll tonight, dude!5a

As to the muslim monk situation, I can't say anything that others haven't said before. Islam sure has monks, but apparently you won't accept them as Islamic monks, because you don't think these muslims are "mainstream" enough to be called muslims.

But what exactly is this "mainstream Islam" you're speaking about?

Islam is just like Christianity: a name that applies to a thousand sects who all hate the crap out of each other.

Why would any one of them be considered more "mainstream" than any other?
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what level is the Mullah on .,
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Re: Why muslims don't have monks?
Islam is just like Christianity: a name that applies to a thousand sects who all hate the crap out of each other.

Why would any one of them be considered more "mainstream" than any other?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 300884


Yes, orthodox Islam (i.e: Sunni Islam) makes up about 90% of the total Muslim populace. Within that other 10% are an assortment of various sects. Sects only exist when there is a deviation from core teachings.
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Re: Why muslims don't have monks?
Remember how Islam was born?

Persia was controlled by Hindu families. Monastic life is a halmark of traditional Eastern religion.

Islam was a rebellion against Far East control over the Near East.
Apology in advance for killin your thread.
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Re: Why muslims don't have monks?
Yes, orthodox Islam (i.e: Sunni Islam) makes up about 90% of the total Muslim populace. Within that other 10% are an assortment of various sects. Sects only exist when there is a deviation from core teachings.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 780893


Come back when the shia agree with the sunni what the "core teachings" are, and I'll listen. Maybe.
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Thread: Earth is not a planet it's a flat dimension that can be infinetly extended. Moon + Sun + Stars = portals
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This is strange. wtf


They do have monks in Islam.
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Look up Dervish and Sufi.. sheesh
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Re: Why muslims don't have monks?
why muslims don't have monks......that's number 267 on the list of things not to give a toss about
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Re: Why muslims don't have monks?
Sufi are related to Islam similar to Gnostics relationship to Christianity. I was talking about mainstream Islam.
 Quoting: eScrew


It's frowned up to eschew society in Islam. Even the Sufis believe true mystics are to be out and about amongst the people, not in monasteries.
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Re: Why muslims don't have monks?
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Paper money is a debt obligation written by a stranger. This stranger has alot of power and it is really strange. The stranger convinced the society that these debt obligations hold great value which is very strange. Our society is very strange. Do I need debt obligations written by a stranger? If I say yes it will be very strange.

Do I need gold? Why would I need gold? What is better gold or wood? I can make a house out of wood but can I make a house out of gold? If I lived near a golden forest I would probably use gold to make a house. Untill I find a golden forest I will stick with wood. Let's return to the original question do I need gold? Can I eat gold?

Helping people is good. But how can I help people if they don't ask me for help? There are many problems in the world. Did I create them? Why should I try solving your problem and alter the natural course of events? The one who created the problem will eventually solve it. Why should I deny you the chance to solve your own problem? Do I have a problem? After writing this article I don't have any problems!
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Re: Why muslims don't have monks?
What does it matter?

It is a false belief system anyway. Who cares?

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