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David Icke is a fraud and plagiarist. ( I retract plagiarist ).. He's still a nut going for your cash.$$ Occult Mouthpiece.

 
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B4 Ike sheep

After Ike u2efine

Never spent a penny
checked out several of his books at the public library
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SATAN, LOL!? I'd be intrigued. I don't fear Satan; I despise all religion.

You aren't interested in discussing Icke's work...you are only interested in slating him as others do who haven't read his work.

Solutions? There are no need for solutions, that's the point but I'm not here to tell you that....the solution is out there, you have to find it for yourself.

Icke never professes to dictate, force or impose his wishes on anyone.
Btw, he has no money...his best mate plagiarised his work and left him with nothing.
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"You aren't interested in discussing Icke's work...you are only interested in slating him as others do who haven't read his work."

Only the start.

... like how he thinks Sir Francis Bacon is Shakespeare?

Icke's sources are incredibly suspect.

Ref RR page 116

"The 16th and 17th centuries in England during the reign of Elizabeth
and later was a time of great ‘volunteer’ activity as they sought to raise
human understanding through art and scientific research. Sir Francis
Bacon worked within the secret societies and I have no doubt he wrote
the ‘Shakespeare’ plays and included in them esoteric codes."

L8R .. im off the bed.
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Interesting!

The founder of bavarian illuminati was inspired by Voltaire.

[link to www.red-ice.net]

Weishaupt was an ardent student of French philosopher Voltaire (1694-1778). Voltaire, a revolutionary who held liberal religious views, had written in a letter to King Frederick II, ("the Great"):

It is believed that, as a result of Voltaire's writings, Weishaupt formulated his ideas concerning the destruction of the Church. In 1775, when summoned by the House of Rothschild, he immediately defected and, at the behest of Meyer, began to organize the Illuminati. The 1st chapter of the order started in his home town of Ingolstadt.

As the name implies, those individuals who are members of the Illuminati possess the 'Light of Lucifer'. As far as they are concerned, only members of the human race who possess the 'Light of Lucifer' are truly enlightened and capable of governing. Denouncing God, Weishaupt and his followers considered themselves to be the cream of the intelligentsia - the only people with the mental capacity, the knowledge, the insight and understanding necessary to govern the world and bring it peace. Their avowed purpose and goal was the establishment of a "Novus Ordo Seclorum" - a New World Order, or One World Government.
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Funniest thread EVER. Watching two dumbasses, Anders and Aussie, argue about two schizo, paranoid, freaks, Icke and LaRouch.

Anders is a complete dipshit with only half a brain that'll believe ANY conspiracy bullshit. Aussie is a typical new age NWOer, who'll believe anything that says we're being used by an imaginary force.

Guys, you're arguing about made up fantasy stuff, why not take it to a dungeons and dragons forum?

i'm sure the debate there would be more suited to your intellectual standards.

Fuckwits.

Oh btw, I Thought ANDERS was banned? Sort it out boys, no one needs the stupid little cocksucker.
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Interesting!

The founder of bavarian illuminati was inspired by Voltaire.

[link to www.red-ice.net]

Weishaupt was an ardent student of French philosopher Voltaire (1694-1778). Voltaire, a revolutionary who held liberal religious views, had written in a letter to King Frederick II, ("the Great"):

It is believed that, as a result of Voltaire's writings, Weishaupt formulated his ideas concerning the destruction of the Church. In 1775, when summoned by the House of Rothschild, he immediately defected and, at the behest of Meyer, began to organize the Illuminati. The 1st chapter of the order started in his home town of Ingolstadt.

As the name implies, those individuals who are members of the Illuminati possess the 'Light of Lucifer'. As far as they are concerned, only members of the human race who possess the 'Light of Lucifer' are truly enlightened and capable of governing. Denouncing God, Weishaupt and his followers considered themselves to be the cream of the intelligentsia - the only people with the mental capacity, the knowledge, the insight and understanding necessary to govern the world and bring it peace. Their avowed purpose and goal was the establishment of a "Novus Ordo Seclorum" - a New World Order, or One World Government.
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All a coincidence? :-))))
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I disagree strongly.
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David Icke is cool. I like his books. I like his ideas. And the more people hate him the more it proves that he does have something to say about our collective reality. But, perhaps we would just rather stay asleep and hate anyone who tries to wake us up. It's just the same old story through out time repeating.

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the cult of the internet,that is to say, "everything should be free," is ruining the world

instead of supporting a great musician by buying all their CD's people try to download their music for free.

Instead of buying books from someone with extraordinary ideas people try and get it for free any way they can and then brag about not spending a dime on getting the info!!!

that is flat out evil, it causes an evil cycle in the world, it totally disempowers creative people and prevents any healthy economic flow and growth through those areas of creative advancement that could help lift us up.

and even the supporters of Icke and Amitakh brag about not spending a dime for the info, that makes me sick, they should be ashamed of themselves, they are agents of disempowerment. they should brag about how much they have given. DUH!!!

while they are giving nothing people continue to stuff the piggy banks of all the wrong influences and then people come on GLP and complain about the state of the world, that's pathetic.

Open your wallets or stop complaining, one of the two.
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I'll highlight some striking similarities with Icke's mindset and that of the Gaia Cult.

Gaia was all the work of Teddy Goldsmith, the lovely chap who created the UK Green Party, which Icke was working with.


Ref page 9 on Robot's rebellion.

"The Earth which was created as the planet of balance and a
generator of love began to pour out negative energy into the system.

Things were going terribly wrong and it was having a serious affect

on the mind of the planet, the consciousness we call Mother Nature,

the Earth Spirit, or Gaia. The Earth is the dense physical body of

this mind and we all exist within her energy field, her aura. When

humanity creates negative energy she absorbs it and, through her, it

is exported to the solar system, the Universe, and beyond."



Page 294



"James Lovelock is one open-minded scientist who has challenged

convention. He has put forward the theory of ‘Gaia’, the Greek name

for the Earth Goddess. This theory proposes that the Earth, far from

being dead matter, is a living, thinking, organism. I would go much

further than Lovelock, but there is a great deal of what he says that

fits in with the overall themes I am putting forward. In his book The

Ages of Gaia he explains why science is system rather than

information led:"

PROFILE: TEDDY GOLDSMITH
The `Jeremy Bentham'
Behind New Terrorism
[link to www.larouchepub.com]
"Founded by Teddy Goldsmith, The Ecologist is the leading magazine for those "deep ecologists" who profess belief in the Gaia Hypothesis, that "Mother Earth" will wreak a terrible vengeance against anyone who disturbs her creation. According to sources at the Gaia Foundation in London, the Goldsmith Foundation had helped finance its work, which was "greatly appreciated" by the royal consort Prince Philip and the heir to the British throne, Prince Charles."



Prince Philip's Malthusians Launch New Age Killer Cults
[link to members.tripod.com]

What game are you playing Mr Icke.

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All of Icke's stuff is available online for free, no one has to buy a thing to hear what he has to say. You can even view his seminars for free online.

If he really only cared about cash, he'd only put his products up for sale without all the free info.

I think you're wrong about him. I sincerely believe he is trying to inform the public. You can even view his website without becoming a member.

Anyone who does this kind of work is always labeled a nut until time passes and he is proven right. You don't have to agree with him, but stop the slander. Your time would be better spent opening your mind and heart.
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All of Icke's stuff is available online for free, no one has to buy a thing to hear what he has to say. You can even view his seminars for free online.

If he really only cared about cash, he'd only put his products up for sale without all the free info.

I think you're wrong about him. I sincerely believe he is trying to inform the public. You can even view his website without becoming a member.

Anyone who does this kind of work is always labeled a nut until time passes and he is proven right. You don't have to agree with him, but stop the slander. Your time would be better spent opening your mind and heart.
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sooooo . . . . the people you love and respect and who have great ideas you contribute no money to, that makes absolutely NO SENSE WHATSOEVER

i if like someone i want to contribute as much money as possible to them so that their message will be elevated above the crowd
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I'll highlight some striking similarities with Icke's mindset and that of the Gaia Cult.

Gaia was all the work of Teddy Goldsmith, the lovely chap who created the UK Green Party, which Icke was working with.


Ref page 9 on Robot's rebellion.

"The Earth which was created as the planet of balance and a
generator of love began to pour out negative energy into the system.

Things were going terribly wrong and it was having a serious affect

on the mind of the planet, the consciousness we call Mother Nature,

the Earth Spirit, or Gaia. The Earth is the dense physical body of

this mind and we all exist within her energy field, her aura. When

humanity creates negative energy she absorbs it and, through her, it

is exported to the solar system, the Universe, and beyond."



Page 294



"James Lovelock is one open-minded scientist who has challenged

convention. He has put forward the theory of ‘Gaia’, the Greek name

for the Earth Goddess. This theory proposes that the Earth, far from

being dead matter, is a living, thinking, organism. I would go much

further than Lovelock, but there is a great deal of what he says that

fits in with the overall themes I am putting forward. In his book The

Ages of Gaia he explains why science is system rather than

information led:"

Gaia IS, a living breathing entity, whether you subscribe to this or not is of no interest to me .However, your attacks on those that are far more enlightened than yourself in these matters only proves that your depth of total understanding is seriously lacking in many areas.
You like to spew out a string of facts borrowed from others but fail to make an origional point from yourself .
Perhaps you should stop trying to stir the pot so vigoriously as you are spilling it all over yourself!


sigh 1doh1 stir
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All of Icke's stuff is available online for free, no one has to buy a thing to hear what he has to say. You can even view his seminars for free online.

If he really only cared about cash, he'd only put his products up for sale without all the free info.

I think you're wrong about him. I sincerely believe he is trying to inform the public. You can even view his website without becoming a member.

Anyone who does this kind of work is always labeled a nut until time passes and he is proven right. You don't have to agree with him, but stop the slander. Your time would be better spent opening your mind and heart.


sooooo . . . . the people you love and respect and who have great ideas you contribute no money to, that makes absolutely NO SENSE WHATSOEVER

i if like someone i want to contribute as much money as possible to them so that their message will be elevated above the crowd
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True, but I was responding to the claim that the title of this thread is making. The OP is making it sound as if Icke only wants money.
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All of Icke's stuff is available online for free, no one has to buy a thing to hear what he has to say. You can even view his seminars for free online.

If he really only cared about cash, he'd only put his products up for sale without all the free info.

I think you're wrong about him. I sincerely believe he is trying to inform the public. You can even view his website without becoming a member.

Anyone who does this kind of work is always labeled a nut until time passes and he is proven right. You don't have to agree with him, but stop the slander. Your time would be better spent opening your mind and heart.


sooooo . . . . the people you love and respect and who have great ideas you contribute no money to, that makes absolutely NO SENSE WHATSOEVER

i if like someone i want to contribute as much money as possible to them so that their message will be elevated above the crowd


True, but I was responding to the claim that the title of this thread is making. The OP is making it sound as if Icke only wants money.
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I have to admit, the more you delve into the information and his sources, it's not the money.. his actually promoting the Occult. His a mouthpiece.


Reader decide, but it should at least be known.
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I'll highlight some striking similarities with Icke's mindset and that of the Gaia Cult.

Gaia was all the work of Teddy Goldsmith, the lovely chap who created the UK Green Party, which Icke was working with.


Ref page 9 on Robot's rebellion.

"The Earth which was created as the planet of balance and a
generator of love began to pour out negative energy into the system.

Things were going terribly wrong and it was having a serious affect

on the mind of the planet, the consciousness we call Mother Nature,

the Earth Spirit, or Gaia. The Earth is the dense physical body of

this mind and we all exist within her energy field, her aura. When

humanity creates negative energy she absorbs it and, through her, it

is exported to the solar system, the Universe, and beyond."



Page 294



"James Lovelock is one open-minded scientist who has challenged

convention. He has put forward the theory of ‘Gaia’, the Greek name

for the Earth Goddess. This theory proposes that the Earth, far from

being dead matter, is a living, thinking, organism. I would go much

further than Lovelock, but there is a great deal of what he says that

fits in with the overall themes I am putting forward. In his book The

Ages of Gaia he explains why science is system rather than

information led:"

Gaia IS, a living breathing entity, whether you subscribe to this or not is of no interest to me .However, your attacks on those that are far more enlightened than yourself in these matters only proves that your depth of total understanding is seriously lacking in many areas.
You like to spew out a string of facts borrowed from others but fail to make an origional point from yourself .
Perhaps you should stop trying to stir the pot so vigoriously as you are spilling it all over yourself!


sigh 1doh1 stir
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Don't you find it strange White Light, the everything you know as 'Gaia' has is origin from the Occult Temple of Delphi.?
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"GIVE IT A REST JAHBULOF

U SHD KNOW BETTER!!!"

well that was a very articulate response...twat.



it is perfectly articulate, your total crap that because the iow is a known paedophile/satanic centre, and that icke lives in ryde assertion

trying to smear icke based on NOTHING

in fact it was icke that outed ted heath and his iow activities



give it a rest...? that was my first post on this thread.




and totally delusional




Look... Icke just fills his followers heads with so much guff re:illuminati and their all conqeuring quest




it is all true

read some mullins, tsarion, bramley, jordan et al

you are clearly a bonehead with no grasp of what icke is doing


to totally dominate the world from the year 1 and for ever more to the nth degree...he is good at promoting dispair and not a lot else




absolute rubbish, his latest book is extremely positive, see the post about infinite love

tsarion is also positive, just like icke, if you take the trouble to read both - which i doubt




....his claims make the old Pravda tales look like a joke.




his claims are spot-on, and all backed up by the other sources i mentioned

all icke's books are sourced to the original material, go check yourself




that aside....his claims are hardly original




they are ORIGINAL to those knew to the alternative (real) history of the world

who are you to come along and slag off a true teacher?? what the hell have you ever done?? NOTHING, that's what, just like moron from perth, another know-nothing disparager




and are tackled in a far superior way by other researchers




who cares? i like icke's books and use them as references to source material - the more alternative researchers the better, and I welcome all books - I don't go around slagging them off, I read them ALL and form my own opinion, which will always change as new material emerges...


.... researchers who realise that exposure itself is not enough.




so mate, you lump yourself in with moron from perth, the pair of you are complete idiots as far as i'm concerend, and you are both in the tiniest of minorities on this threa

keep on being a sheep
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Based on the following details, i ask a simple question.

May i refer people to Robot's Rebellion, most notably the (((((""dedication""))))) page, numbered page vii.


"Dedication

To Thomas Paine, Voltaire, Socrates, Plato, Arthur Findlay, Sir George

Trevelyan, and all who have, through courage and love, sought to

challenge the suppression of knowledge and the indoctrination of the

human race. To Alick and all at Gateway for having the courage to

publish this book."


Also ..



Ref page ix in Robot's Rebellion.

Icke: "I think it was Voltaire who

said: "Those who believe absurdities commit attrocities". Humanity

over many centuries is the living proof of that."



It's here, alarm bells start ringing in my ears. VOLTAIRE!!! ( I'll leave the other names for another time )

Consider the following information about this lovely chap. At this point, i also suggest you keep Plato in the back of your mind.

A very curious anomaly can be found.

Time permitting of course, do read the articles in full.

*****

"Writing in 1774, Voltaire declares that

``we have mocked occult qualities too long. We ought to laugh at those who do not believe in them. Let us repeat a hundred times that every principle, every original source of any work whatever of the Great Demiurge is occult and hidden from mortals.''
******

The So Called 'Enlightenment'

[link to www.larouchepub.com]

Franc¸ois Marie Arouet de Voltaire (1694-1778) is a symbol of the

Enlightenment in 18th-Century France, during which time science

was in a relative dark age and sophism ruled. Rabbi Hertzberg’s

1968 book singled out the paganism of Voltaire and compared

Voltaire’s views of the Jews to the attitude of the Romans toward

their slaves.

The Enlightenment's Crusade Against Reason

by Linda de Hoyos

[link to members.tripod.com]
Key sub-headings to note:

Voltaire's Hatred of God
****************************
Voltaire the Gnostic
********************

Interesting snips:

**
Cauchy's standard university classroom hoax, expresses a factional mission whose origins were a key formal feature of a general attempt at defamation of Gottfried Leibniz and his work. That attempt had been launched by the Paris-based, Venetian agent and avowed devotee of the empiricist Descartes, Abbé Antonio Conti. Among its other tactics for this purpose, that attempt launched by Conti had used the political controller of black magic specialist Isaac Newton, England's Dr. Samuel Clarke. That operation was then continued as a Europe-wide operation, by a network of salons organized by Conti. This was a network which is also associated with the same notorious((( Voltaire))), the "den-mother of Jacobins," who also participated in sponsoring the British organization of the Martinist freemasonic cult of Cagliostro, Count Joseph de Maistre, et al., from which Twentieth Century fascist cults, and their presently active following, were all derived.
**

Voltaire asserts in Plato's Dream that the ``Eternal Geometrician'' gave the evil divinity Demogorgon--the ruler of the netherworld in ancient mythology--``a bit of mud that is called Earth'' to arrange as he saw fit. After fashioning what Demogorgon considered a ``masterpiece,'' the evil god was surprised to find himself coming under attack by the other genies attendant to the Great Demiurge, Demiurge also being a specific gnostic subordinate deity who creates the material universe. With his characteristic adolescent wit, Voltaire has the genies say:

``Your onions and artichokes are very good things; but I don't see what your idea was in covering the earth with so many venemous plants, unless you had the intention of poisoning the inhabitants.... [you only have] four or five kinds of men; it is true that you have given this last animal what you call reason; but in all conscience, that reason of his is too ridiculous and comes too close to madness. Moreover, it appears to me that you set no great store by that two-footed animal, since you have given him so many enemies and so little defense, so many maladies and so few remedies, so many passions and so little wisdom. Apparently you do not want many of those animals to remain on earth...."


Voltaire blamed the success of Christianity over the millennia on its incorporation of Platonic ideas. The association of Christianity with Platonism was so explicit in eighteeth-century France, that even the future Jacobin Maximilian Robespierre wrote a treatise called Three Impostors, in which he excoriated Moses, Mohammad, and Jesus Christ, designating Christ as Plato in disguise.

**


"British Royal Society agent Bayle was the direct intellectual godfather of Francois Arouet--Voltaire. From his first trip to Holland in 1713 and then to Britain in 1726, the young Voltaire, educated in debauchery by the secret Temple of Taste and already rumored to have slept with an English count, was picked up by the circles that had deployed Bayle to raise the cudgels of the buggery faction of science against Leibniz.
To accomplish this, Voltaire simply plagiarized Bayle's writings--especially Bayle's attacks on Christianity--over the entire span of his overly long career. Voltaire had most of Bayle's books in his own library and many volumes of Bayle's Nouvelles Lettres. The epicurean Voltaire feasted on Bayle's diatribes against the Holy Trinity, against Saint Augustine, and against God. Both Voltaire and Bayle agreed: ``God is the author of all sin.'' "

**

From the start it already seems Icke is a 'mouthpiece' for you know who. I find it fascinating, that at the very introduction of the book, "Dedication" is given to one very evil indivdual, and a member of the Satanic Occult. Note his views on Plato???

Who are the people/sources feeding Icke this information.?? Weird 'co-incidence' maybe? Everything suggests something is wrong when Icke talks about "our journey to enlightenment", mentioned frequently throughout Robot's Rebellion.

Does Icke know this himself? I find this suspect, and by no means trivial.

Is it just a coincidence so far, and nothing to worry about?

Reader decide.
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Moron from perth - i see you have changed and misspelled your thread title at least twice now, and you still cannot stick to the subject..

let me remind you - David Icke is a fraud and plagiarist. ( I retract plagiarist ).. His still a nut going for your cash.$$


what has voltaire got to do with the above?

i and others can see that you are squirming and wriggling here, and introducing this straw man sideshow will not wash here

stick to the subject

i will make sure you do, and we are all awaiting you to provide the following:

we are still waiting for your conisdered essay on ickes' fraud and plagiarism

we are still awaiting a selection of examples of icke's plagiarism, with icke's words and the original words side by side so we can see if you are lying or not

the fact that 2 weeks have passed and you have not complied with any of your promises prove that you are a LIAR and that this whole thread is based on false allegations and LIES
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[link to www.hermes-press.com]

(as referenced from Icke's website)

... To a person who has not developed the capability of using extra-physical senses such as inspiration, intuition, and higher awareness, this essay will make little if any sense. Unfortunately, many persons today have been duped by religious and metaphysical charlatans into believing that they have attained extra-physical capabilities when all they have achieved is self-delusion. Thus, the Internet is overflowing with sites promoting mountebanks who claim to have supernatural powers and the ability to teach these same paranormal capacities to their victims.

Since there is such a direct effect of external and internal entities on our bodies, minds, and state of consciousness, we must carefully select the inputs we allow into our experience: persons, activities, images, thoughts, feelings, sounds, written material, food, and environmental elements. Every time we interact with another person, there is an exchange of energy resonance. Extensive interaction with people with negative energy fields may leave us with a tremendous amount of debilitating energy debris. Unless we learn to recognize negative energy and cleanse our fields of it, we can end up with physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual problems. Fortunately, the opposite is equally true: spending time with positively charged persons and other phenomena such music, art, and literature, can bring beneficial and transformative effects.

...Humans are energy transformers; we are alive and developing in proportion to how much of this universal force we accept and how freely it flows through us.

The better we transmit this energy or allow it to flow through us, the higher grade we occupy; the more alive and contented and effective we become. The great common carrier of universal spirit is an immense ocean connecting all individuals. The frequency field, the ocean, the all-surrounding substance in which individuals are suspended, is a great sea of undifferentiated energy.



Maybe you can answer as to why Icke has named Voltaire for "dedication" in RR.
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fuck voltaire

maybe you can stop this pathetic sideshow and stick to YOUR thread title

Moron from perth - i see you have changed and misspelled your thread title at least twice now, and you still cannot stick to the subject..

let me remind you - David Icke is a fraud and plagiarist. ( I retract plagiarist ).. His still a nut going for your cash.$$


what has voltaire got to do with the above?

i and others can see that you are squirming and wriggling here, and introducing this straw man sideshow will not wash here

stick to the subject

i will make sure you do, and we are all awaiting you to provide the following:

we are still waiting for your conisdered essay on ickes' fraud and plagiarism

we are still awaiting a selection of examples of icke's plagiarism, with icke's words and the original words side by side so we can see if you are lying or not

the fact that 2 weeks have passed and you have not complied with any of your promises prove that you are a LIAR and that this whole thread is based on false allegations and LIES
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"his claims are hardly original and are tackled in a far superior way by other researchers.... researchers who realise that exposure itself is not enough."

what part of that don't you understand...particularly the last line?

expose, expose....expose...we must expose...lol.

how about listing Dave's solutions to these problems hmmm...???
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read the end chapters of all his books and you will see his positive solutions

idiot
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Quoting Icke:

'I don't care,' he says, 'if people say I'm just pulling together other theories. I've got no interest in them. One of he things we forget is that what people think of us is none of our business. I have no problem with these prats saying I'm anti-semitic. I have a problem when they seek to stop me having the public platform on which I speak my truth. That fact that I am anti-semitic might be complete bollocks -- it is -- but I support their right to say it. **Was it Voltaire who said, I may disagree with what you say but I'll fight to the death to defend your right to say it?**'

But Icke doesn't stop just with conspiracy. Just when you think you've gone far enough into his labyrinth, he seems to come up with a whole new esoteric realm. At the moment it's multi-dimensionality and he picks up a pencil and starts drawing a scheme of universal dimensions. 'It's not about contacting aliens in bloody spaceships. We're multi-dimensional consciousness. Even conventional psychology talks about the fact we have a conscious mind and a subconscious mind. Okay -- well how far out does the subconscious go?'


---------------

As far as I know this is the only time he refers to Voltaire. You could hardly accuse him of being a Voltaire 'fan'.

Next?



"Dedicated" to Voltaire ... i suggest you go back and read about this character before you simply brush it off is just a minor detail.

Imagine opening a book, and seeing the author having a dedication to Satan. How would you feel then?

Hey, this was one of the first things i spotted without even getting to page 1.
 Quoting: Aussie from Perth





Moron from perth - i see you have changed and misspelled your thread title at least twice now, and you still cannot stick to the subject..

let me remind you - David Icke is a fraud and plagiarist. ( I retract plagiarist ).. His still a nut going for your cash.$$


what has voltaire got to do with the above?

i and others can see that you are squirming and wriggling here, and introducing this straw man sideshow will not wash here

stick to the subject

i will make sure you do, and we are all awaiting you to provide the following:

we are still waiting for your conisdered essay on ickes' fraud and plagiarism

we are still awaiting a selection of examples of icke's plagiarism, with icke's words and the original words side by side so we can see if you are lying or not

the fact that 2 weeks have passed and you have not complied with any of your promises prove that you are a LIAR and that this whole thread is based on false allegations and LIES
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Another curious anomaly on the ((("Dedication"))) page.

Sir George Trevelyan. ....

People should know about H G Wells ....another sick twisted occultic nasty bastard like Voltaire.

H.G. WELLS AND BERTRAND RUSSELL:

The `No-Soul' Gang
Behind Reverend Moon's
Gnostic Sex Cult
[link to www.larouchepub.com]


"Russell and Wells, who orchestrated so much of the evil of the 20th Century, were by birth and upbringing, men of the 19th Century, grown to manhood under the British Empire at the peak of its power, nursed on the tales of Kipling and the notion of the inborn superiority of the Anglo-Saxon race. Yet, they were clever enough to foresee its demise, and early on set themselves to the task of shaping a new world empire, more fearful and more evilly conceived than the openly declared global tyranny which was Victorian England. In his Experiments in Autobiography, Wells wrote of his own childhood:

In those days I had ideas about Aryans extraordinarily like Mr. Hitler's. The more I hear of him the more I am convinced that his mind is almost the twin of my thirteen-year-old mind in 1879; but heard through a megaphone—and—implemented. I do not know from what books I caught my first glimpse of the Great Aryan People going to and fro in the middle plains of Europe, spreading east, west, north, and south ... whose ultimate triumphs everywhere squared accounts with the Jews ... (((((((((I have met men in responsible positions, L.S. Amery, for example, Winston Churchill, George Trevelyan, C.F.G. Masterman, whose imaginations were manifestly built upon a similar framework and who remained puerile in their political outlook because of its persistence."))))))

**

How the KKK got into the U.S. Justice Department

[link to www.larouchepub.com]


"On March 10, 1898, while the country was gripped by "Anglo-Saxon" war fever, the Pike statue resolution was introduced in the House of Representatives. It was subsequently introduced in the Senate by Henry Moore Teller of Colorado, a member of the Supreme Council of Pike's Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, Southern Jursidiction.

On March 31, 1898, Teddy Roosevelt wrote to British strategist James Bryce, exulting in his actions to reunify America with the British Empire:

"It will give me great pleasure to meet Mr. [George Macaulay] Trevelyan [British Mazziniite historian], not only because he is a friend of yours, but because of my admiration for his father [Sir George Otto Trevelyan, former British admiralty secretary]; and I shall like much to meet the Webbs [Fabian socialist leaders Sidney and Beatrice Webb] also.

"I have had a very busy time, but anxious only in the sense that I fear this nation will not do its duty. . . . We should drive Spain from the Western World. . . . I cordially sympathize with England's attitude in China, and I am glad to say that there seems to be a gradual coming together of the two peoples [Britain and America]. They certainly ought to come together."


I just keeps getting more and more interesting. He seems to be a promotional mouthpiece for 'Them'.
 Quoting: Aussie from Perth




fuck h g wells and fuck voltaire

stick to your subject line and give us some evidence


Moron from perth - i see you have changed and misspelled your thread title at least twice now, and you still cannot stick to the subject..

let me remind you - David Icke is a fraud and plagiarist. ( I retract plagiarist ).. His still a nut going for your cash.$$


what has voltaire got to do with the above?

i and others can see that you are squirming and wriggling here, and introducing this straw man sideshow will not wash here

stick to the subject

i will make sure you do, and we are all awaiting you to provide the following:

we are still waiting for your conisdered essay on ickes' fraud and plagiarism

we are still awaiting a selection of examples of icke's plagiarism, with icke's words and the original words side by side so we can see if you are lying or not

the fact that 2 weeks have passed and you have not complied with any of your promises prove that you are a LIAR and that this whole thread is based on false allegations and LIES
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Interesting!

The founder of bavarian illuminati was inspired by Voltaire.

[link to www.red-ice.net]

Weishaupt was an ardent student of French philosopher Voltaire (1694-1778). Voltaire, a revolutionary who held liberal religious views, had written in a letter to King Frederick II, ("the Great"):

It is believed that, as a result of Voltaire's writings, Weishaupt formulated his ideas concerning the destruction of the Church. In 1775, when summoned by the House of Rothschild, he immediately defected and, at the behest of Meyer, began to organize the Illuminati. The 1st chapter of the order started in his home town of Ingolstadt.

As the name implies, those individuals who are members of the Illuminati possess the 'Light of Lucifer'. As far as they are concerned, only members of the human race who possess the 'Light of Lucifer' are truly enlightened and capable of governing. Denouncing God, Weishaupt and his followers considered themselves to be the cream of the intelligentsia - the only people with the mental capacity, the knowledge, the insight and understanding necessary to govern the world and bring it peace. Their avowed purpose and goal was the establishment of a "Novus Ordo Seclorum" - a New World Order, or One World Government.



All a coincidence? :-))))
 Quoting: Aussie from Perth




Moron from perth - i see you have changed and misspelled your thread title at least twice now, and you still cannot stick to the subject..

let me remind you - David Icke is a fraud and plagiarist. ( I retract plagiarist ).. His still a nut going for your cash.$$


what has voltaire got to do with the above?

i and others can see that you are squirming and wriggling here, and introducing this straw man sideshow will not wash here

stick to the subject

i will make sure you do, and we are all awaiting you to provide the following:

we are still waiting for your conisdered essay on ickes' fraud and plagiarism

we are still awaiting a selection of examples of icke's plagiarism, with icke's words and the original words side by side so we can see if you are lying or not

the fact that 2 weeks have passed and you have not complied with any of your promises prove that you are a LIAR and that this whole thread is based on false allegations and LIES
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I'll highlight some striking similarities with Icke's mindset and that of the Gaia Cult.

Gaia was all the work of Teddy Goldsmith, the lovely chap who created the UK Green Party, which Icke was working with.


Ref page 9 on Robot's rebellion.

"The Earth which was created as the planet of balance and a
generator of love began to pour out negative energy into the system.

Things were going terribly wrong and it was having a serious affect

on the mind of the planet, the consciousness we call Mother Nature,

the Earth Spirit, or Gaia. The Earth is the dense physical body of

this mind and we all exist within her energy field, her aura. When

humanity creates negative energy she absorbs it and, through her, it

is exported to the solar system, the Universe, and beyond."



Page 294



"James Lovelock is one open-minded scientist who has challenged

convention. He has put forward the theory of ‘Gaia’, the Greek name

for the Earth Goddess. This theory proposes that the Earth, far from

being dead matter, is a living, thinking, organism. I would go much

further than Lovelock, but there is a great deal of what he says that

fits in with the overall themes I am putting forward. In his book The

Ages of Gaia he explains why science is system rather than

information led:"

PROFILE: TEDDY GOLDSMITH
The `Jeremy Bentham'
Behind New Terrorism
[link to www.larouchepub.com]

"Founded by Teddy Goldsmith, The Ecologist is the leading magazine for those "deep ecologists" who profess belief in the Gaia Hypothesis, that "Mother Earth" will wreak a terrible vengeance against anyone who disturbs her creation. According to sources at the Gaia Foundation in London, the Goldsmith Foundation had helped finance its work, which was "greatly appreciated" by the royal consort Prince Philip and the heir to the British throne, Prince Charles."



Prince Philip's Malthusians Launch New Age Killer Cults
[link to members.tripod.com]


"In 1988, Britain's Prince Philip expressed the wish that, should he be reincarnated, he would want to be a deadly virus that would reduce world population. [fn1] Today, his wish is finding expression in a proliferation of bizarre, Malthusian grouplets, killer cults, which openly, on the Internet and elsewhere, call for actions to dramatically reduce world population, if not to eliminate the human race in its entirety, on behalf of ``Mother Earth,'' or ``Gaia.''
These groups are not just some lunatic fringe that can be brushed aside; they are the shock-troops of Prince Philip and the British oligarchy. They have names like the Church of Euthanasia, the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement, and the Gaia Liberation Front. They represent a more radical version of such clones of Prince Philip's World Wide Fund for Nature (WWF), as Earth First! and other eco-terrorist organizations. [fn2]

In recent decades, it has been the desire of Prince Philip and his WWF minions, that ``Mother Earth worship'' be taught to children, from the elementary school level on up. Is it surprising, that certain unstable members of the younger generation could be programmed to grow up in such an enraged state, that they would wish to destroy the human race?"


***

Eliminate The Human Species
Korda is a regular ``discussion partner'' with the more secretive Gaia Liberation Front, based in Toronto, Canada. The GLF was launched on Earth Day 1990. Its ``Communiqué 1,'' issued at that time, proclaimed: ``Our mission is the total liberation of the Earth, which can be accomplished only through the extinction of the Humans as a species.... Every Human now carries the seeds of terracide. If any Humans survive, they may start the whole thing over again. Our policy is to take no chances.'' The GLF explains, in its literature, that it capitalizes the word ``Humans,'' because it regards human beings as an ``alien species,'' who have genetically programmed ``technological propensities'' that must inevitably end up destroying ``Gaia.''
The GLF fumes, ``The Humans have been usefully compared to a cancer or a virus.... What does a surgeon do with a cancer?'' The ``Humans'' are particularly obstreperous, GLF complains, because they always promote their dignity and self-worth, as in the passage from Shakespeare's Hamlet: ``What a piece of work is man! how noble in reason!'' There can only be one solution for such a species, according to the GLF: ``extermination.''

**

Speaking of Delphi . . .
[link to www.larouchepub.com]

"Ancient writers described the temple procedure as follows. The priestess, a mature woman given the ritual name Pythia, heard the petitioner's question from a throne raised above a cleft in the rocks, from which issued a gas, probably hydrogen sulfide, which sent her into a trance or ecstasy. A priest of Apollo seated nearby, a "spinmeister" of that day, translated her incoherent words and cries into verses, which were given out as the prophesy.

The oracle was said to have been begun by an enormous snake or dragon named Python (hence the name Pythia given the priestess), related to the earth-goddess Ge (Gaia) as either her consort, her daughter, or her son. Apollo was said to have killed the snake Python and taken over its oracular function. Aeschylus gives a more detailed review in Eumenides."


Take a look at Icke in RR. I'll ref the pages later.

Anti Industry
Anti Work
No Growth is sustainable ( absolute bullshit )
Against National Governments
Anti Nuclear, implies we can't learn and advance, bullshit's about the waste problem.
Utopian outlook...small is beautiful.
Population Reduction?

Sounds very familiar.

The MST:
The other face of usury
[link to www.larouchepub.com]

snips:

"Religious/ideological/ethnic motivating ideology: Existentialist theology of liberation, combined with pagan worship of the Mother Earth goddess (Gaia).

For the MST and CPT, as well as for the innumerable Ecclesiastical Base Communities (CEBs) linked to them, the key to a victorious insurrection is in their capacity to "spiritualize the earth," based on their view that "the earth is a mystery" in the religious sense, and "to free the earth is to create space for God to act in the world." They hold indoctrination rites, and thus justify their acts of violence."

Sounds very very familiar

The PT: neo-liberals
and Leninists

[link to www.larouchepub.com]

This guys rant is very familiar.


"Leonardo Boff: ex-Franciscan priest, one of the primary theoreticians and propagandists of liberation theology and the Gaia cult; argues that Christianity is responsible for genocide and ethnocide; in his book Latin America: From the Conquest to the New Evangelization, he calls for salvaging "the identity [of the Indians], suffocated by European culture and the Christian religion." In a 1994 book, he wrote: "Mankind is in a difficult transition—from the nation-state to the world-state, from the worldwide to the cosmic.... We are standing before a new planetary civilization."



Does anyone know who Icke met with in Peru? The name of the groups??

**

He quotes Goldsmith on RR page 257.

"Even those who once dismissed or ignored the
Green analysis are beginning to question openly the economic
madness we are indoctrinated to worship. The billionaire financier,
James Goldsmith, said this in the London Times:
257

“Economic growth is the way to measure success, and science and
technology are its principal tools. This is the basis of modern
thought, but I question it. The leading modern society, America, has
produced the greatest surge in economic growth and material
prosperity in history. In the past fifty years its gross domestic product
(GDP) has grown in constant, inflation-adjusted dollars, from $1.5
trillion to $5.9 trillion. American science and technology have
achieved incredible innovations. And yet, American society is deeply
ill.”


"Even those who once dismissed or ignored the
Green analysis".....umm Icke, Goldsmith creatd the Green ananlysis.

What game are you playing Mr Icke.
 Quoting: Aussie from Perth





more straw men

fuck the gaiea movement


Moron from perth - i see you have changed and misspelled your thread title at least twice now, and you still cannot stick to the subject..

let me remind you - David Icke is a fraud and plagiarist. ( I retract plagiarist ).. His still a nut going for your cash.$$


what has voltaire got to do with the above?

i and others can see that you are squirming and wriggling here, and introducing this straw man sideshow will not wash here

stick to the subject

i will make sure you do, and we are all awaiting you to provide the following:

we are still waiting for your conisdered essay on ickes' fraud and plagiarism

we are still awaiting a selection of examples of icke's plagiarism, with icke's words and the original words side by side so we can see if you are lying or not

the fact that 2 weeks have passed and you have not complied with any of your promises prove that you are a LIAR and that this whole thread is based on false allegations and LIES
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All of Icke's stuff is available online for free, no one has to buy a thing to hear what he has to say. You can even view his seminars for free online.

If he really only cared about cash, he'd only put his products up for sale without all the free info.

I think you're wrong about him. I sincerely believe he is trying to inform the public. You can even view his website without becoming a member.

Anyone who does this kind of work is always labeled a nut until time passes and he is proven right. You don't have to agree with him, but stop the slander. Your time would be better spent opening your mind and heart.


sooooo . . . . the people you love and respect and who have great ideas you contribute no money to, that makes absolutely NO SENSE WHATSOEVER

i if like someone i want to contribute as much money as possible to them so that their message will be elevated above the crowd


True, but I was responding to the claim that the title of this thread is making. The OP is making it sound as if Icke only wants money.



I have to admit, the more you delve into the information and his sources, it's not the money.. his actually promoting the Occult. His a mouthpiece.


Reader decide, but it should at least be known.
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this is rich coming from a moron who has never read any icke books



Moron from perth - i see you have changed and misspelled your thread title at least twice now, and you still cannot stick to the subject..

let me remind you - David Icke is a fraud and plagiarist. ( I retract plagiarist ).. His still a nut going for your cash.$$


what has voltaire got to do with the above?

i and others can see that you are squirming and wriggling here, and introducing this straw man sideshow will not wash here

stick to the subject

i will make sure you do, and we are all awaiting you to provide the following:

we are still waiting for your conisdered essay on ickes' fraud and plagiarism

we are still awaiting a selection of examples of icke's plagiarism, with icke's words and the original words side by side so we can see if you are lying or not

the fact that 2 weeks have passed and you have not complied with any of your promises prove that you are a LIAR and that this whole thread is based on false allegations and LIES
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I'll highlight some striking similarities with Icke's mindset and that of the Gaia Cult.

Gaia was all the work of Teddy Goldsmith, the lovely chap who created the UK Green Party, which Icke was working with.


Ref page 9 on Robot's rebellion.

"The Earth which was created as the planet of balance and a
generator of love began to pour out negative energy into the system.

Things were going terribly wrong and it was having a serious affect

on the mind of the planet, the consciousness we call Mother Nature,

the Earth Spirit, or Gaia. The Earth is the dense physical body of

this mind and we all exist within her energy field, her aura. When

humanity creates negative energy she absorbs it and, through her, it

is exported to the solar system, the Universe, and beyond."



Page 294



"James Lovelock is one open-minded scientist who has challenged

convention. He has put forward the theory of ‘Gaia’, the Greek name

for the Earth Goddess. This theory proposes that the Earth, far from

being dead matter, is a living, thinking, organism. I would go much

further than Lovelock, but there is a great deal of what he says that

fits in with the overall themes I am putting forward. In his book The

Ages of Gaia he explains why science is system rather than

information led:"

Gaia IS, a living breathing entity, whether you subscribe to this or not is of no interest to me .However, your attacks on those that are far more enlightened than yourself in these matters only proves that your depth of total understanding is seriously lacking in many areas.
You like to spew out a string of facts borrowed from others but fail to make an origional point from yourself .
Perhaps you should stop trying to stir the pot so vigoriously as you are spilling it all over yourself!


sigh 1doh1 stir



Don't you find it strange White Light, the everything you know as 'Gaia' has is origin from the Occult Temple of Delphi.?
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fuck the temple of delphi

more straw men


Moron from perth - i see you have changed and misspelled your thread title at least twice now, and you still cannot stick to the subject..

let me remind you - David Icke is a fraud and plagiarist. ( I retract plagiarist ).. His still a nut going for your cash.$$


what has the temple of delphi got to do with the above?

i and others can see that you are squirming and wriggling here, and introducing this straw man sideshow will not wash here

stick to the subject

i will make sure you do, and we are all awaiting you to provide the following:

we are still waiting for your conisdered essay on ickes' fraud and plagiarism

we are still awaiting a selection of examples of icke's plagiarism, with icke's words and the original words side by side so we can see if you are lying or not

the fact that 2 weeks have passed and you have not complied with any of your promises prove that you are a LIAR and that this whole thread is based on false allegations and LIES
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Are you his brother?

stfu
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yes
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Don't you find it strange White Light, the everything you know as 'Gaia' has is origin from the Occult Temple of Delphi.?
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Aussie from Perth,
Please do not assume that everything I know as "Gaia " has its origin from the Occult of the Temple of Delphi.
Gaia is a lving breathing entity that communicates with the universe in her own way.
The way I understand this has nothing to do with the Temple of Delphi, so do not try to place tags to me and my comprehension of what Gaia is.
David Icke has always gone out on a limb to bring to the attention of the public the hidden agendas which are being hidden from the public .You can laugh at his works if you want or poke fun at him and call him names but do you really understand any of it ? Or more to the point have you read all of his books??
I think its time you told us of your understanding of his works.

kittens





GLP