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How is shorting stock allowed at all?

 
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How is shorting stock allowed at all?
How the hell does someone get to borrow shit you own and paid for and try to sell it and purposely bring down the value of it? I mean WTF. Only is a country this evil can degenerate people rationalize such a fraud.
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03/11/2015 02:17 PM
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Re: How is shorting stock allowed at all?
That's so 2008. The new fraud is being LONG in the market.
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03/11/2015 02:20 PM
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It's unreal the shit out here. MM doing trades minutes before the market opens and dropping the PPS 10 points, just so when the market opens stop losses go crazy and suddenly the PPS is 15 points lower than it closed within 30 seconds. Unreal.
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03/11/2015 02:23 PM
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Re: How is shorting stock allowed at all?
How the hell does someone get to borrow shit you own and paid for and try to sell it and purposely bring down the value of it? I mean WTF. Only is a country this evil can degenerate people rationalize such a fraud.
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I thought brokers could only "borrow" your stock if it was purchased on margin?

If you paid the full price using your own funds, then it is your property, and they cannot supply it to would-be shorters.

That's my understanding, anyway.

However, rules and law seem to have gone the way of the dodo bird these days, so who the fuck knows?

pennywise
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03/11/2015 02:24 PM
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Re: How is shorting stock allowed at all?
2008 the uptick rule was put in place by FAS-B along with the removal of mark-to-market. Which killed shorting anything and anything remotely like fair value. It's why some shithole companies like Apple and Facebook are individually worth more than the entire farming industry across the planet. Even though an iPad is about as necessary as tits on a bull.

..like the other anon points out, going long to print money is the scam. in the meanwhile watch unsustainable math rip apart departments and governments like tissue. Cheques should be bouncing like rubber balls again soon, or worse...not cover the cost of printing it.
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03/11/2015 02:26 PM
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Re: How is shorting stock allowed at all?
It's mostly a bet, in the wall street casino
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03/11/2015 02:29 PM
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Re: How is shorting stock allowed at all?
with euh oh volume , but without braking a barrier and filter it up
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03/11/2015 02:30 PM
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Re: How is shorting stock allowed at all?
Small time speculators' ability to trade long and short equity, option, and future positions is the only consistent way informed "gamblers" can beat the house in any market I have ever participated (excluding housing itself).

However, small speculators do not move markets the way institutions and banks can. Many institutional funds have "no short" provisions. Blackstone should run this information as a PR piece during The O Reilly Factor.

Additionally, the short positions help keep inflated security values in check by offsetting long positions in the open market, where the actual pricing is set.

Most billionaires start out trading stocks. Even if they don't talk about it. The market can be beat. Open a Schwab account and use your political acuity to predict the foreign exchange currency market, or the S&P futures. Retire to Thailand and surround yourself with nymphs.
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Without actually stealing other busy peeps
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Shorting gold is still a-ok!

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03/11/2015 02:31 PM
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Uh oh 😓 I'm not
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Re: How is shorting stock allowed at all?
Small time speculators' ability to trade long and short equity, option, and future positions is the only consistent way informed "gamblers" can beat the house in any market I have ever participated (excluding housing itself).

However, small speculators do not move markets the way institutions and banks can. Many institutional funds have "no short" provisions. Blackstone should run this information as a PR piece during The O Reilly Factor.

Additionally, the short positions help keep inflated security values in check by offsetting long positions in the open market, where the actual pricing is set.

Most billionaires start out trading stocks. Even if they don't talk about it. The market can be beat. Open a Schwab account and use your political acuity to predict the foreign exchange currency market, or the S&P futures. Retire to Thailand and surround yourself with nymphs.
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Just become a 'market maker', lol I love that term.
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03/11/2015 02:33 PM
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Re: How is shorting stock allowed at all?
Small time speculators' ability to trade long and short equity, option, and future positions is the only consistent way informed "gamblers" can beat the house in any market I have ever participated (excluding housing itself).

However, small speculators do not move markets the way institutions and banks can. Many institutional funds have "no short" provisions. Blackstone should run this information as a PR piece during The O Reilly Factor.

Additionally, the short positions help keep inflated security values in check by offsetting long positions in the open market, where the actual pricing is set.

Most billionaires start out trading stocks. Even if they don't talk about it. The market can be beat. Open a Schwab account and use your political acuity to predict the foreign exchange currency market, or the S&P futures. Retire to Thailand and surround yourself with nymphs.
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Just become a 'market maker', lol I love that term.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68548295


If you can erode 2% against TD's monthly Canadian/USD swap, and get a blowjob out of it, I'm not mad atcha. I got nothin but love for ya.
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Re: How is shorting stock allowed at all?
Small time speculators' ability to trade long and short equity, option, and future positions is the only consistent way informed "gamblers" can beat the house in any market I have ever participated (excluding housing itself).

However, small speculators do not move markets the way institutions and banks can. Many institutional funds have "no short" provisions. Blackstone should run this information as a PR piece during The O Reilly Factor.

Additionally, the short positions help keep inflated security values in check by offsetting long positions in the open market, where the actual pricing is set.

Most billionaires start out trading stocks. Even if they don't talk about it. The market can be beat. Open a Schwab account and use your political acuity to predict the foreign exchange currency market, or the S&P futures. Retire to Thailand and surround yourself with nymphs.
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1) Make sure you are born into an "Insider" family.

2) Learn the ropes of how government REALLY works.

3) Use you "Inside" knowledge to front-run everything.

4) ?

5) PROFIT!!!

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Re: How is shorting stock allowed at all?
How the hell does someone get to borrow shit you own and paid for and try to sell it and purposely bring down the value of it? I mean WTF. Only is a country this evil can degenerate people rationalize such a fraud.
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They created a way for them to make money in a bear market.
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Re: How is shorting stock allowed at all?
someone please help me with this !?!?!?!?!

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Re: How is shorting stock allowed at all?
How the hell does someone get to borrow shit you own and paid for and try to sell it and purposely bring down the value of it? I mean WTF. Only is a country this evil can degenerate people rationalize such a fraud.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68129021


They created a way for them to make money in a bear market.
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They created a way to destroy honest men and companies by the actions of highschool losers who aren't worth organ harvesting. lol!
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Re: How is shorting stock allowed at all?
How the hell does someone get to borrow shit you own and paid for and try to sell it and purposely bring down the value of it? I mean WTF. Only is a country this evil can degenerate people rationalize such a fraud.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68129021


It was the shorts who uncovered ENRON. Don't sell them short, they do their homework and uncover things within companies that make the company subject to problems.

A lot of time shorts try and warn the company, before they start shorting and, sadly, they are often ignored.
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Re: How is shorting stock allowed at all?
Small time speculators' ability to trade long and short equity, option, and future positions is the only consistent way informed "gamblers" can beat the house in any market I have ever participated (excluding housing itself).

However, small speculators do not move markets the way institutions and banks can. Many institutional funds have "no short" provisions. Blackstone should run this information as a PR piece during The O Reilly Factor.

Additionally, the short positions help keep inflated security values in check by offsetting long positions in the open market, where the actual pricing is set.

Most billionaires start out trading stocks. Even if they don't talk about it. The market can be beat. Open a Schwab account and use your political acuity to predict the foreign exchange currency market, or the S&P futures. Retire to Thailand and surround yourself with nymphs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68377764


Just become a 'market maker', lol I love that term.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68548295


If you can erode 2% against TD's monthly Canadian/USD swap, and get a blowjob out of it, I'm not mad atcha. I got nothin but love for ya.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68377764


Fuck does Schwab pay affiliates? I think I could have converted 100 new clients with that plug.

But their Options Xpress platform is an old Chicago firm that is one of the best around. They don't give maximum leverage for FOREX, but if you don't know what that means, you don't need it.

Be fruitful. And don't pull out.
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Re: How is shorting stock allowed at all?
It's mostly a bet, in the wall street casino
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^This!^
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Re: How is shorting stock allowed at all?
How the hell does someone get to borrow shit you own and paid for and try to sell it and purposely bring down the value of it? I mean WTF. Only is a country this evil can degenerate people rationalize such a fraud.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68129021


It was the shorts who uncovered ENRON. Don't sell them short, they do their homework and uncover things within companies that make the company subject to problems.

A lot of time shorts try and warn the company, before they start shorting and, sadly, they are often ignored.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68422891


Yep Yep Yep





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