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Ain SophIA
User ID: 133925
 United Kingdom
8/21/2006 10:32 PM
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[link to today.reuters.co.uk]
A project to collect DNA samples from half a million Britons to unpick the genetic basis of killer diseases including cancer got the go-ahead on Tuesday, marking the start of the world's biggest medical experiment.
A team of international scientific and medical experts said the success of a local three-month pilot phase, involving 3,800 participants around Manchester, meant the UK Biobank project could now be rolled out nationwide from the end of 2006.
Over the next four years, blood and urine samples will be collected from volunteers aged 40 to 69, to help scientists unravel the genetic foundations of common diseases, including cancer, heart disease, diabetes, dementia and joint problems.
"For decades to come, the UK Biobank resource should provide researchers around the world with vital insights into some of the most distressing diseases of middle and old age," principal investigator Professor Rory Collins said in a statement.
The mapping of the human genome in 2000 opened the door to the detailed analysis of genes but experts are still grappling to understand how they interact with lifestyle and environment to determine why some people become sick and others do not.
In the long term, scientists believe the project could improve prevention, diagnosis and treatment of diseases and help to explain why certain people react differently to medications.
The 61 million-pound project will be funded by the British government, the Wellcome Trust medical research charity and other sources.
Some researchers have expressed concerns about the design, size and cost of the project, but Collins said he was confident it would produce valuable medical breakthroughs.
A total of around 10 million samples are expected to be collected from the half million volunteers. That genetic data will be cross-referenced against information about patients' subsequent health, obtained with their permission.
Researchers from around the world will be able to apply to UK Biobank for access to the resource but there will be strict security systems to protect participants' privacy.
Health Minister Andy Burnham said Britain was "leading the world" with the project, which would underpin the country's academic and industrial research capability.
No one organisation or commercial body will have exclusive access to the data but pharmaceutical companies are expected to be able to use the results to help design new drugs and diagnostic tests.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 127099
 Japan
8/21/2006 10:33 PM | | Re: They want your blood | Quote |
"but Collins said he was confident it would produce valuable medical breakthroughs"
for whom?
who benefits?
when will they hijack this? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 101239
United Kingdom
8/21/2006 10:35 PM | | Re: They want your blood | Quote |
Mine's about 50% alcohol at present; take what you bloody well like!!
Hi Welshy hip-swayer!!
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Ain SophIA
User ID: 133925
United Kingdom
8/21/2006 10:36 PM
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Mine's about 50% alcohol at present; take what you bloody well like!!
Hi Welshy hip-swayer!!
  
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 124261
 Greece
8/21/2006 10:38 PM | | Re: They want your blood | Quote |
Or maybe they are tracking supposed to be sleeper killer agents they are following around in case a future outbreak happens. |
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Ain SophIA
User ID: 133925
United Kingdom
8/21/2006 10:38 PM
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"but Collins said he was confident it would produce valuable medical breakthroughs"
for whom?
who benefits?
when will they hijack this? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 127099
Perhaps the rest of the world wants to suck on our Druidic blood
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 133803
United Kingdom
8/21/2006 10:42 PM | | Re: They want your blood | Quote |
medical breakthroughs"  |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 80475
 United States
8/21/2006 10:45 PM | | Re: They want your blood | Quote |
If only the people doing this research could be trusted 
Since 9-11 I no longer trust anyone. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 134124
United States
8/21/2006 10:47 PM | | Re: They want your blood | Quote |
they have the same program for dna begun in australia. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 100661
United States
8/21/2006 10:49 PM | | Re: They want your blood | Quote |
"A project to collect DNA"
That's fine as long as they don't charge an arm and a leg for it! lol
And as long as they don't use it for some evil purpose because mine is holy and it probably has it's own freewill and it could come back to haunt them or something if they did.  |
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Mark In NYC
User ID: 96225
United States
8/21/2006 11:03 PM | | Re: They want your blood | Quote |
As a physician I'm inclined to think this is a great idea. As a human being it's giving the government far too much information on individuals who are or will become the largest single group of consumers of medical services in the next twenty years or so. It's possible that the data will be used to determine who to treat and who to allow to die based on clinical outcome and probabilities of success or failure, and when you impact the cost of exotic yet successful treatments like organ transplants with the fact that the recipient may only have another 10 or 15 years of life left WITH the transplant, it becomes far too easy for some administrator to decide that the organ should go to a younger person, leaving Aunt Minnie to die from organ failure at 64, because in the opinion of the program administrator Aunt Minnie would not return to being a productive (read tax paying laborer) even if she had the transplant!
This is a bit of an extreme example but it's a good one. On a smaller more practical basis, the newest drugs that can cure even methacillin resistant organisms are several thousand dollars for a one or two-week course of some of these latest "wonder" drugs. Given the Uncle Albert is now 66, should we spend the four or five thousand dollars to treat him with this new wonder drug or should we just let him die? After all, Uncle Albert is unlikely to every return to a productive life again, either. Bother the fact that he's worked hard every day of his life and raised a family and would dearly like to spend a few years getting to know and play with his grand children. That won't count for a thing. The only information they'll be looking at is his return to a productive state and the cost of getting him there.
Having this data at their fingertips makes it easier to justify their decisions no matter how unpopular they may become. They will tell families, friends, etc. that they make their decisions based on facts. And that's hard to argue with. Very hard to argue with. Remember the entire UK has 'National Health" and it covers everyone in the country from the poorest immigrant child to the wealthiest lord or lady in the land. Except that the wealthy can choose to go to a private pay for procedures practice because they can pay. The poor child cannot.
While there are certainly potential benefits to having this data and continuing to collect and analyze this data as the group ages, the potential for abuse is astronomical in my mind and probably will rove out to be by the time all is said and done.
M in NYC
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Ain SophIA
User ID: 134237
United Kingdom
8/22/2006 6:41 AM | | Re: They want your blood | Quote |
As a physician I'm inclined to think this is a great idea. As a human being it's giving the government far too much information on individuals who are or will become the largest single group of consumers of medical services in the next twenty years or so. It's possible that the data will be used to determine who to treat and who to allow to die based on clinical outcome and probabilities of success or failure, and when you impact the cost of exotic yet successful treatments like organ transplants with the fact that the recipient may only have another 10 or 15 years of life left WITH the transplant, it becomes far too easy for some administrator to decide that the organ should go to a younger person, leaving Aunt Minnie to die from organ failure at 64, because in the opinion of the program administrator Aunt Minnie would not return to being a productive (read tax paying laborer) even if she had the transplant!
This is a bit of an extreme example but it's a good one. On a smaller more practical basis, the newest drugs that can cure even methacillin resistant organisms are several thousand dollars for a one or two-week course of some of these latest "wonder" drugs. Given the Uncle Albert is now 66, should we spend the four or five thousand dollars to treat him with this new wonder drug or should we just let him die? After all, Uncle Albert is unlikely to every return to a productive life again, either. Bother the fact that he's worked hard every day of his life and raised a family and would dearly like to spend a few years getting to know and play with his grand children. That won't count for a thing. The only information they'll be looking at is his return to a productive state and the cost of getting him there.
Having this data at their fingertips makes it easier to justify their decisions no matter how unpopular they may become. They will tell families, friends, etc. that they make their decisions based on facts. And that's hard to argue with. Very hard to argue with. Remember the entire UK has 'National Health" and it covers everyone in the country from the poorest immigrant child to the wealthiest lord or lady in the land. Except that the wealthy can choose to go to a private pay for procedures practice because they can pay. The poor child cannot.
While there are certainly potential benefits to having this data and continuing to collect and analyze this data as the group ages, the potential for abuse is astronomical in my mind and probably will rove out to be by the time all is said and done.
M in NYC Quoting: Mark In NYC
Thank you for a thought provoking reply. I personally think that the drug companies are way up there with TPTB so certainly do not trust them to use such personal information for the good of the whole. They prove time and time again that they are greedy and that it is all about money and not health.
I am just pleased that I do not fit into that age bracket. |
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chiptruth
User ID: 134188
United States
8/22/2006 7:11 AM
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i know a source of information that claims to have already totally decoded the human dna -- the chromosome -- with TWELVE strands, what they do and what it means for the future.
i could tell you about it, but i would have to love ya forever. |
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Ain SophIA
User ID: 134237
United Kingdom
8/22/2006 7:11 AM | |
Ain SophIA
User ID: 134237
United Kingdom
8/22/2006 7:12 AM | | Re: They want your blood | Quote |
i know a source of information that claims to have already totally decoded the human dna -- the chromosome -- with TWELVE strands, what they do and what it means for the future.
i could tell you about it, but i would have to love ya forever. Quoting: chiptruth
Oh Love me forever  |
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chiptruth
User ID: 134188
United States
8/22/2006 7:14 AM
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[link to 72.14.209.104]
okay here ya go then...
ya know by now, the NWO is UK as well as USA and they...have a sick pact with the money side of the medical industry...if there WERE cures found, people would lose money and they would of course therefore LIE and conceal cures to profit off of the sicknesses.
a big relative of all that is chemotherapy. they STILL use that to "treat" people even though it has proven totally and completely toxic.
the Kryon info is worth looking into. Kryon's not a secret, some people have known that he is pure genius since the eighties... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 134261
United Kingdom
8/22/2006 7:15 AM | | Re: They want your blood | Quote |
"but Collins said he was confident it would produce valuable medical breakthroughs"
for whom?
who benefits?
when will they hijack this?
Perhaps the rest of the world wants to suck on our Druidic blood Quoting: Ain SophIA
i vant to suck your blood!
mj  |
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Manticore
User ID: 134224
United Kingdom
8/22/2006 7:16 AM
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Well, as long as some benefits for humanity emerge from it, I'd happily donate a pint or two. I may be a bit young, though. |
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Mona Lisa
User ID: 134269
 Switzerland
8/22/2006 7:26 AM | | Re: They want your blood | Quote |
Hoffmann - La Roche, Roche, in Basel - Switzerland, acquired some years ago the exclusive right to test the DNA of the people of Iceland, believed untill today the most homogeneus people in the world. |
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Ain SophIA
User ID: 134237
United Kingdom
8/22/2006 7:37 AM
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Hoffmann - La Roche, Roche, in Basel - Switzerland, acquired some years ago the exclusive right to test the DNA of the people of Iceland, believed untill today the most homogeneus people in the world. Quoting: Mona Lisa 134269
What is homogeneus? 
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Mona Lisa
User ID: 134269
Switzerland
8/22/2006 7:40 AM | | Re: They want your blood | Quote |
Nearly all are equal, in this case 75 % of the Icelandians are believed to be of the same DNA origin |
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Ain SophIA
User ID: 134237
United Kingdom
8/22/2006 7:46 AM
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Nearly all are equal, in this case 75 % of the Icelandians are believed to be of the same DNA origin Quoting: Mona Lisa 134269
About 100 years ago it would have been the same for the UK because we were a nation of carrot crunchers.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 120402
United States
8/22/2006 7:49 AM | | Re: They want your blood | Quote |
If they're only testing people between 40 and 69, won't that bypass all the younger muslim and Caribbean immigrants? |
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Ain SophIA
User ID: 134237
United Kingdom
8/22/2006 7:51 AM
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If they're only testing people between 40 and 69, won't that bypass all the younger muslim and Caribbean immigrants? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 120402
No
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 133770
United States
8/22/2006 7:57 AM | | Re: They want your blood | Quote |
just more nazi master race stuff. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 134262
United Kingdom
8/22/2006 7:59 AM | | Re: They want your blood | Quote |
seriously sofia
i vant your blood! mwuahahaha!
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19.47™
User ID: 52981
United Kingdom
8/22/2006 8:06 AM
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Although it will be denied the real reason that they want your DNA is so that they can decide who will live and who will die in the wonderful new world order that will soon be comimg to a location near you.
Jewish? Black? Other Unaproved racial taints? Then it's off to a Deep Underground Military Base for you first to be tortured to death in useless experiments and then to serve as Draco food.
Think it sounds crazy. Yeah well it's an evil world out there.
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Ain SophIA
User ID: 134237
United Kingdom
8/22/2006 4:32 PM | | Re: They want your blood | Quote |
Although it will be denied the real reason that they want your DNA is so that they can decide who will live and who will die in the wonderful new world order that will soon be comimg to a location near you.
Jewish? Black? Other Unaproved racial taints? Then it's off to a Deep Underground Military Base for you first to be tortured to death in useless experiments and then to serve as Draco food.
Think it sounds crazy. Yeah well it's an evil world out there.
For once we agree on something. Just don't get to complacent because I disagree on everything else still.  |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 103782
United States
8/22/2006 4:34 PM | | Re: They want your blood | Quote |
Over the next four years, blood and urine samples will be collected from volunteers aged 40 to 69, to help scientists unravel the genetic foundations of common diseases, including cancer, heart disease, diabetes, dementia and joint problems.
Looking for the Remnants |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 103782
United States
8/22/2006 4:34 PM | | Re: They want your blood | Quote |
Don't let them find out who you are if you are of the royal line. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 134434
United Kingdom
8/22/2006 5:02 PM | | Re: They want your blood | Quote |
how on earth can mankind exist without me in it? i totally fukkin rule!
im going to impregnate lots of blonde girls and start a mini community ... like in Apocalypse now!
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