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How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?

 
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How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
I'll tell you the answer, lets see how many of YOU here really know secrets
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Re: How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
no idea, tell away.
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Re: How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
Satan believed he killed G-d's Son?
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Re: How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
Satan's kids, the Jews, killed Jesus. They weren't tricked. They knew what they were doing.
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Re: How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
God tricked satan (the unsaved people of the word at that time) that if they killed GOD's son JESUS he wouldnt rise from the dead-

its simple GOD kept them blind and deaf to the WORD before them... all part of GODS glorious plan- remember this whole world's existence is GOD"S IDEA AND PLAN not ours we're just players in HIS GAME against evil...

CARRY ON!!

AS YOU WERE


HAve a nice day in this isnt YOUR DAY!
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Re: How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
satan was not authorized to kill a man who had not sinned
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 114312

See no doubt we share a very similar philosophy in many ways … but here we hit a crossroad (no pun intended). So Satan is god's hitman?
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Re: How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
Oh the Bible verse: that explains it---


1 Corintians 2:9


Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him."
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Re: How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
If satan KNEW killing JESUS would mean CHRISTIANS (chrsit clones everywwhere for thousansds of years to come) SATAN wouldnt have had JESUS crucified
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Re: How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
SATAN and his minions werent too bright-- but actually it was in GOD's control the whole time-- there is the key--- ARE YOUR EYES AND EARS OPEN YET????? yeah IM SPEAKING TO YOU the reader?
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Re: How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
User ID: 114312 CORRECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
the cruxifictin never happened its an alchemical allegory for a solar eclipse, do some homework dogma boy.
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Re: How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
sorry thats cruxiFICTION
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Re: How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
" What didn't the rulers understand? God's wisdom in His plan of redemption.

How do we know that that's what they didn't understand?1 Cor 2:8: "for if they had understood it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory..." The "rulers of this age" are powers and principalities, Satan and his minions—the religious stooges he put up to crucifying Jesus. Those powers—Satan, et al—would never have crucified Jesus if they had known that in doing so they would enable Him through His atoning death to set His elect free from sin's bondage!
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Re: How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
satan is not God's hitman
but, people who break the law are removed from God's protection

because only loving and trusting God can keep us obedient to God
if we distrust God and start worshipping other things (sin) then we become vulnerable to attacks by satan
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 114312

How do you know that Satan isn't G-d's hitman? In the Passover story,many Jews believe the Angel of Death, who killed the firstborn of the Egyptians, was Satan.
Many Jews also believe that if you offend The Almighty, you risk Him sending "a band of evil angels" against you.
Virtually all Jews believe Satan can do nothing at all without G-d's expressed permission.
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Re: How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
satan is not God's hitman
but, people who break the law are removed from God's protection

because only loving and trusting God can keep us obedient to God
if we distrust God and start worshipping other things (sin) then we become vulnerable to attacks by satan
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 114312


Ok … see here is what I don't get. Is god 'all knowing' ?
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Re: How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
'Hear an eye opener'
Jesus simply SPOKE(LISTEN) to 'WATCH and keep watching'(EYES) to the 'end time' --thats all we have to do-- 'watch' for the signs- but only God knows the day and hour-
BUT NEVER STOP WATCHING!
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Re: How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
Anyone remember reading tha part when Simon Peter said to Jesus

"Master, if you go to Jeruselam, you will be killed. If that is so then it is our duty to stop you from going"

Jesus replied "get behind me Satan"

Satan knew all too well what Jesus death would have meant and tried to persuade Jesus not to go by working through Simon Peter. If Jesus had listened to Simon, he would have avoided jerusalem and would not have been crucified thus Satan would have won.

However, if Satan wanted to win by making Jesus stay alive could he have not tried in some ways to persuade the people not to condemn Jesus to the cross.

The answer is probably no, he couldn't because what the people wanted were of their free will and Satan could not have persuaded them because Jesus having enough wisdom through God that no matter how Satan may try, it was Jesus' destiny to be killed on the cross.
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Re: How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
what do you mean by "all knowing"?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 114312


Well as per the scripture I suppose. He knows all about all etc… like "this is the book of revelation, this will happen, that will happen" that's all knowing, right?
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Re: How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
NOW!!We can do all things through Christ whom 'strengthens' us! AMEN

it's up to us we have a will and mind to decide

no excuses if you fail--


you are what you eat-

you are what you think

you are what you hang out with

you are what you surround yourself with

you are what you choose

If you feel below what you think you should be check your surroundings and what you do and hang with-- make some changes- and remember changing onself isnt hard-- "People stumble over stones not mountains"
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If you CHOOSE Jesus you choose life -

thats the name of the Game we are playing in-- Its God's dreamt up creation not ours
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Re: How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
these are specific times which God allowed a man to view, the Apostle John.
Seeing is not the same as causing.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 114312


" Seeing is not the same as causing." I understand that.

Well then does god have unlimited power?

The reason I ask … What I'm getting to I guess is this fight started in heaven, correct?
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Re: How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
God tricked satan (the unsaved people of the word at that time) that if they killed GOD's son JESUS he wouldnt rise from the dead-

its simple GOD kept them blind and deaf to the WORD before them... all part of GODS glorious plan- remember this whole world's existence is GOD"S IDEA AND PLAN not ours we're just players in HIS GAME against evil...

CARRY ON!!

AS YOU WERE


HAve a nice day in this isnt YOUR DAY!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 133898

is jesus without sin in the same sense that in the qur'an mohamad is without sin, because no matter what mohamad did, it was approved by allah?
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Re: How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
Ok I hate to cut and run in the middle of a convo but I have no choice… I'll try and form the question I wish to ask in a more articulate way. I'll bookmark this thread and come back tomorrow. Hopefully you can come back too.

Peace.
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Re: How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
too many people feel they have to avoid sinners, because they will "bring them down"
if you really have the Spirit of Christ living in you
you can only bring them up
but, that doesn't mean entering into the bondage which keeps them from being free
it means being free with them
and leading them to the one who can set them free
and that is Jesus
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 114312




I agree with you 114312.

Jesus would want us to mingle in with all sorts of people including those who blaspheme because it is our job to try and give them some form of hope that God is with them. We all sin, so it is arrogant to assume that we should avoid sinners. Jesus himself said, "those within sin, let him cast the first stone" is a perfect example of not just judging others but an example that we are like all others to either a lesser of greater degree have a duty to spread God's word around, and effective way of doing that is to mingle in with it all.
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Re: How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
what do you mean by "all knowing"?



Well as per the scripture I suppose. He knows all about all etc… like "this is the book of revelation, this will happen, that will happen" that's all knowing, right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 134102

revelations contradicts itself in that it predicts both the end of the world and a 1000 years of peace. so i conclude that because of human free will, probably a gift of god, god can only predict the range of possibilities, not what will actually happen.

of course god knows that every planet that evolves an intelligent civilization will eventually discover nuclear energy and develop the means to end the world. so what god is telling us is that we collectively have a choice, to follow the command of jesus and turn the other cheek or bring an end to the human race.
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Re: How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
I'll tell you the answer, lets see how many of YOU here really know secrets
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the point is, satan knows God's words will always be fullfilled, BUT

satan does NOT know HOW

just like now Yo!
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Re: How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
Satan's kids, the Jews, killed Jesus. They weren't tricked. They knew what they were doing.
 Quoting: alto 134391


agree
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Me114

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Re: How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
satan did not understand that killing Jesus illegally would bring all of mankind out from under his legal trap of death
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 114312


just imagine, Jesus the man did all this by faith

imagine him reading a scroll of Isaiah and the Holy Spirit whispering in His heart, thats you that script is talking about.. He would have had to believe it by faith

Jesus the man is also a very awesome person


he did it because he loves us
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What Happens Next Loves me.
Help me Jesus, Life will let me know.
Living is Effortless Normal
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Me114

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Re: How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
" What didn't the rulers understand? God's wisdom in His plan of redemption.

How do we know that that's what they didn't understand?1 Cor 2:8: "for if they had understood it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory..." The "rulers of this age" are powers and principalities, Satan and his minions—the religious stooges he put up to crucifying Jesus. Those powers—Satan, et al—would never have crucified Jesus if they had known that in doing so they would enable Him through His atoning death to set His elect free from sin's bondage!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 133898



AND... seal THEIR doom too!
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Sweet Thoughts!
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What Happens Next Loves me.
Help me Jesus, Life will let me know.
Living is Effortless Normal
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Re: How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
Gez.... What an old cop out. Satan didn't kill Jesus, MEN DID.
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Re: How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
Nobody killed Jesus and there is no proof to the contrary, so no one is guilty of anything except being a sucker.

You don't even know which god sired Jesus, all you have is 2 dozen suspects.
Americanii-s de vina futu-i in gura sa-i fut
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Re: How did God Trick Satan with the crucifixion of Jesus?
isaiah the prophet said he would die for the sins of the world.some people knew...

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