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GOD Is One Even As Father, Son, And Holy Ghost--READ--

 
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There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

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Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, 21envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God
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Is it not possible that they could have eternal life else where ?
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I don't know, brother, I prefer not to speculate on that particular subject.
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Fair enuff
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Can you explain Romans 8?

Or Galatians 2 and 3 ?

Acts 15 ?

There's many other places I could point to that teach OSAS

And Justification apart from the Law
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As with all false doctrines there as a handful of verse used as "proof", but the hundreds of verses contradicting it are conviniently ignored. It's nothing but confirmation bias. I really implore you to watch the the video series I posted. He does a better job I ever could. Jesus clearly said people will call him lord, lord and be turned away. What about Roman 8?

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1 John 3:9

Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Philippians 2:12

If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. 1 Corinthians 3:17
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It's interesting that In 1 John , John also says this

1 John 1: 8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

1 Corinthians 3 , is True God might Take your life

But won't Mean loss of salvation

As for Romans 8 I was referring to this

Romans 8:38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

If Nothing can separate us , how can you lose salvation ???
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Read that verse really says. I doesn't say anything about salvation. There also point where aith alone (justification) apologists actually try to argue that not only won't good deeds save you, doing good deeds will infact condemn you (because your faith is weak). They do this to rationalize part in scripture (sheep and goat parable, parable of the wedding feast) they know contradicts their doctrines. This is when their gospel becomes the gospel of satan.

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Eph. 2:10
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Can you explain Romans 8?

Or Galatians 2 and 3 ?

Acts 15 ?

There's many other places I could point to that teach OSAS

And Justification apart from the Law
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63847878


As with all false doctrines there as a handful of verse used as "proof", but the hundreds of verses contradicting it are conviniently ignored. It's nothing but confirmation bias. I really implore you to watch the the video series I posted. He does a better job I ever could. Jesus clearly said people will call him lord, lord and be turned away. What about Roman 8?

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1 John 3:9

Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Philippians 2:12

If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. 1 Corinthians 3:17
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68710791


It's interesting that In 1 John , John also says this

1 John 1: 8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

1 Corinthians 3 , is True God might Take your life

But won't Mean loss of salvation

As for Romans 8 I was referring to this

Romans 8:38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

If Nothing can separate us , how can you lose salvation ???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63847878


Read that verse really says. I doesn't say anything about salvation. There also point where aith alone (justification) apologists actually try to argue that not only won't good deeds save you, doing good deeds will infact condemn you (because your faith is weak). They do this to rationalize part in scripture (sheep and goat parable, parable of the wedding feast) they know contradicts their doctrines. This is when their gospel becomes the gospel of satan.

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Eph. 2:10
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68711278


Well I absolutely agree with you on that aspect. We should be doing Good works and walking in the spirit . Not after the flesh

We should be doing good deeds daily .

I like this Phrase

A true Believer desires to be free from Sin, not to Sin freely.
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"Thy dead [men] shall live, [together with] my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew [is as] the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead." Isaiah 26:19


When did God have a dead body? as Jesus
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“And the Book (one’s Record) will be placed (in the right hand for a believer in the Oneness of God, and in the left hand for a disbeliever in the Oneness of God), and you will see the criminal sinners, fearful of that which is (recorded) therein. They will say: “Woe to us! What sort of Book is this that leaves neither a small thing nor a big thing, but has recorded it with numbers!” And they will find all that they did placed before them, and your Lord treats no one with injustice.” (Quran 18:49)

O you who believe! Fear God and keep your duty to Him. And let every person look to what he has sent forth for tomorrow, and fear God. Verily, God is All-Aware of what you do.” (Quran 59:18)

“Thereof (the earth) We created you, and into it We shall return you, and from it We shall bring you out once again.” (Quran 20:55

“And the Trumpet will be blown, and all who are in the heavens and all who are on the earth will swoon away, except him whom God wills.” (Quran 39:68)

The first human being to be dressed on the Day of Resurrection will be Prophet Abraham, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him.” (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)
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Jesus said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;
And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live;
(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable;
So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)!"

—Quran, sura 19 Maryam, ayat 30-33

It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).

—Quran, sura 3

And in their footsteps We sent Isa the son of Maryam, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.
Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.

—Quran sura 5, (Al-Ma'ida), ayat 46-47

The Quran states that Jesus was aided by a group of disciples who believed in His message. While not naming the disciples, the Quran does give a few instances of Jesus preaching the message to them. The Quran mentions in chapter 3, verses 52-53, that the disciples submitted in the faith of Islam:


When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah?" Said the disciples: "We are Allah's helpers: We believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims.
Our Lord! we believe in what Thou hast revealed, and we follow the Messenger; then write us down among those who bear witness."

—Quran Surah Al-Imran 52-53

Allah's Apostle (Muhammad) said, "The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts)."

—Narrated by Abu Huraira
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Jesus said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;
And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live;
(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable;
So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)!"

—Quran, sura 19 Maryam, ayat 30-33

It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).

—Quran, sura 3

And in their footsteps We sent Isa the son of Maryam, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.
Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.

—Quran sura 5, (Al-Ma'ida), ayat 46-47

The Quran states that Jesus was aided by a group of disciples who believed in His message. While not naming the disciples, the Quran does give a few instances of Jesus preaching the message to them. The Quran mentions in chapter 3, verses 52-53, that the disciples submitted in the faith of Islam:


When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah?" Said the disciples: "We are Allah's helpers: We believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims.
Our Lord! we believe in what Thou hast revealed, and we follow the Messenger; then write us down among those who bear witness."

—Quran Surah Al-Imran 52-53

Allah's Apostle (Muhammad) said, "The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts)."

—Narrated by Abu Huraira
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The pigs in this case mean many things.
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As with all false doctrines there as a handful of verse used as "proof", but the hundreds of verses contradicting it are conviniently ignored. It's nothing but confirmation bias. I really implore you to watch the the video series I posted. He does a better job I ever could. Jesus clearly said people will call him lord, lord and be turned away. What about Roman 8?

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1 John 3:9

Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Philippians 2:12

If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. 1 Corinthians 3:17
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68710791


It's interesting that In 1 John , John also says this

1 John 1: 8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

1 Corinthians 3 , is True God might Take your life

But won't Mean loss of salvation

As for Romans 8 I was referring to this

Romans 8:38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

If Nothing can separate us , how can you lose salvation ???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63847878


Read that verse really says. I doesn't say anything about salvation. There also point where aith alone (justification) apologists actually try to argue that not only won't good deeds save you, doing good deeds will infact condemn you (because your faith is weak). They do this to rationalize part in scripture (sheep and goat parable, parable of the wedding feast) they know contradicts their doctrines. This is when their gospel becomes the gospel of satan.

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Eph. 2:10
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68711278


Well I absolutely agree with you on that aspect. We should be doing Good works and walking in the spirit . Not after the flesh

We should be doing good deeds daily .

I like this Phrase

A true Believer desires to be free from Sin, not to Sin freely.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63847878


You're right, and I myself have A LOT of work to do and logs to remove from my own eyes. You really should watch the series. What it really comes down to is faith alone teachers thinking they can fool God by twisting His words into a contract of salvation. Who will they call to witness when they stand accountable. The grace of God is forgiveness and the spirit that guides. Repentance, by the virtue of its very definition, demands deeds (changes):

"But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die."


Faith alone teachers teaches a non-biblical definition of repentance where it means acknowledging you're a sinner (without acknowledging your own unique personal sins of course) and just being really really sorry. Why would Jesus say "And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire"? WHy would Jesus say the actions have consequenses if faith alone is enough and once saved always saved is true?

Here's and example of the faith alone doctrine, when trying to circumvent scripture that contradicts it, instead becomes the gospel of satan:

In the Bible, clothes symbolize sin (or righteousness depending on the state of it). In the parable of the wedding feast a wedding guests is not wearing wedding clothes and is cast out. The meaning of this parable seems obvious. So how would faith alone wolves spin it? Is the wedding guest cast out because of his unrighteousness? No, they claim his desiree to do good and righteous deeds is what condemns him. He should have clothed himself in the righteousness of Christ (by only believing). It's satanic how they pervert scripture.

[link to www.gotquestions.org]

Note how they love quote Isaiah 64:6 out of context.

[link to truegospel.com]





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