Plato’s Cave in Baudrillard’s Desert of the Real

I don't believe in coincidences, so me finding this thread (or it finding me) has to be intentional.

Read of simulation theory and then watch Wreck it Ralph.......................

Can somebody dumb down this thread and pine it to make it more acessible for average GLP visitors

'self substantiation'

- erasing self from matrix without external force

indeed

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"The physical is the expression of memories and inspirations taking place in the soul of self-identity. Change the state of self-identity and the state of the physical world changes." -Dr. Ihaleakala Hew Len

there is no truth and no real reality.

its all a simulacra..an copy of an copy.

no reference point, no original.

just look at musics and you will understand

it does not matter who controls this reality, does it? no it does not, except if you want to put a finger on someone.

you are your own prison and prisonguard. you are your own greatest enemy and challenge.

if you want to blame someone, just look in the mirror

Just some further thoughts..

1. The alleged truth is a simulacra on its own. both worlds in the matrix are simulacra. how could neo be sure that the other reality he has been shown...is the real reality? how can be absolutely sure about this reality not being just another version of the matrix code? he cant. and this is the red line through all of the story. neo is an unbeliever to the end. and he is right.

What is the truth a priori, the fundamental undeniable truth and reality? There is none that isnt a copy of someting that already existed. You have to understand simulacra and simulation guite different.

He is not saying that there is an untouchable truth that isnt changing on behalf and has been kidnapped by evil to disturb it...he is saying that the only thing that is true is the simulacra and this means that nothing is true. If only the copy of a copy is true, then this is not the primarily truth. And if we only have a siumulacra from a simulacra..where is the truth? Nowhere and everywhere. You can keep searching for it another 10000 years and you will come to the same conclusion as by now or before 10000 years.

the only thing we surely knos is that we know nothing. thats pure plato. and btw baudrillard too.

2. as soon as you recognize yourself as an victim, a slave..the matrix got you. as long as you see yourself separated from others and from everything that is, even from your alleged enemies.. the matrix got you.

you will never find peace, you will never be able to breathe, never come to joy and peace but you will keep fighting and fighting.till the grave..only to defend the one thing you believe is real..the one absolute truth..and that is the biggest problem in our ordinary lives. everybody wants to show the other that only his fantasy is the absolute truth and only his illusion is no illusion. but the whole universe is just an illusion in an illusion..a drem in a dream in a dream.
and all the others will have to die or shut up if they do not accept it..and vice versa.

this is exactly at what we are looking for tousands of years. fact is, that NOT ONE human knew shit, but pretend to know everything. we shit our pants when people are in a tragedy and flee to our countries because they dont want to die because of bullshit wars over even more bullshit, mostly produced by us, all just because of allegedly absolute truths... that in real and unreal are none at all.

3.if something would be that true, if something is really true...there is no need to push it, to show it to everybody, to shout it out loud so everyone would hear it.
if something is that true and that good, it will be OBVIOUS for everybody to see. if you really love your partner, you dont have to tell this all the time tousands of times a day. it will be known and felt. and if it is not felt and in the air...then all the repeating, shoutings and provings will fail and have no effect.

only something that you on your own arent sure in or about (like muslims cant be sure about islam) you have this to shout it the more louder, the less you believe in "your" story about this imaginary friend for adults or whatever illusion else..you will then repeat that you love this girl..not to her even if you speak to her but to yourself..because you dont believe it yourself.

imagine a guy on the basket field hysterically shouting at the audience that michael jordan is the best player and they better shall believe it, that he is really superb and so on and want to make people believe it. people would laugh at him. because it is obvious. you dont have to push and free the truth, because if its the truth, it cant be surpressed or dismissed, no matter how "powerful" the "elite" might be. if its the truth, the undeniable living truth..even the most evil beings wont be able to dismiss it, because such a truth would be a total truth for all that is..and nohting that is could be resisting it. you even wouldnt think about it, it just would be like that..absolutely easy..like the wind..without any need for fighting for it or fearing it would be ignored. if it can be ignored its not the one truth, if it is the one truth, if cant be ignored. or imagine michael

the things that are, arent alike by failure or coincidence but a logically natural consequence, for which we called. you get what you demand. exactly what you demand. how you do shout in the woods, it will shout back at you. but on its own, nothing will ever shout from the woods. are there any woods at all? is there a moon if you dont look at the moon? is your face even real? you have never seen it except for the mirror or camera. but can you absolutely tell that this is your true face? is there one thing you can be ansolutely sure about? only one?

3. the matrix didnt fall from the heavens and did not rise from the abyss or has been brought by aliens. it is a mirror of our own, it is what we are and it will be what we become. its the same with our social and political society lives. everything is exactly a mirrorimage of our own. look at your inner life, look exactly at your reality, your environment, the people you meet...if you look closely, you will see yourself..exactly yourself.

3. the matrix does not exist in the outer world. there is no outer world at all. you just believe it is. and because of that it is, not on the other way. the environment did not form you, you formed your environment. the matrix is not your ruler, you are the ruler of the matrix. you are the matrix.

your eyes DO NOT SEE FINISHED PICTURES FROM THE OUTSIDE WORLD! THE EYES ONLY SEE / RECEIVE ENERGY PATTERNS! There are not trees, roads, people, whatever. They are pure "light" . All of matter is 90% not solid and no matter. If the biggest part isnt at all, how could the smallest part make anything about it?

So, out there there is nothing except pure energy. The pictures, the world, the matrix, neo, the oracle, mr.smith, morpheus, trinity, everything... in all the realities..does not exist outside of your brain but only in your brain!

So how true can that be?

Stop searching for a purpose in this universe and life. there is no purpose. what is the purpose of the one in matrix and of neo becoming enlightened?

what could it be? imagine all the possible purposes and you will see that not one could be one. what difference does it make if i will wake up tomorrow morning or not? no difference at all, looking at it cosmically. the cosmos gives a shit if i will wake up tomorror and go to work or not. god gives a shit about it. the universe and god give a shit about millions and millions of civilians burned, killed or gased. througout the centuries. not one intervention. not one. just a book /simulacra without any historical credibility.

it makes a little difference, but not for the cosmos, for the ascended masters that are none or whom- and whatever at all...it makes a difference only for you. if i do not wake up tomorrow and dont go to work, i wont get paid and i wont be able to survive the next month. thats the difference. but cosmically spoken, its indifferent. what is the purpose of lets say jupiter or any other dead planet or star or any alive star too. and all of this has been created for billions of years. for no purpose at all. to wander through space and time and die someday. in this there is no purpose at all. nothing could have ever existed and it would make no difference.

but for another persone maybe this works in the other direction. maybe another being has to quit his job, to make a difference in his or hers lives. the problem is if you command everybody to the same unnatural static rules. it cant work. humans are limitless and will collide with every limited system. its the most logic thing and we still did not conquer it but are still in the same poor desperate hamsterrad full of fear, paralized..and an perfect simulacra of a simulacra of a simulacra of a simulacra. we even dont know if an original ever existed.

if the highest goal of ascending is to sit with god in the heavens in all eternity...then what is the purpose of it at all? what is the purpose of god? you will only fuck up your head. thats why it is written not to think about how god was made, its forbidden and a sin to ask such questions.

your head isnt made for philosophy but for surviving in wild nature. imagine all the animals thinking about the purpose of their life..not liviung by their instincts..they would be all dead by tomorrow morning, even without humans annihilating em like we do now.

what will we do and for what does it matter and does it matter at all? why? its not the question how it works and who is the ruler...but for what? why? because of what? the ruler is the ruler of an absurd ridiculous joke.

for what goal? for what higher goal should we ascend? to be enlightened? for what do we need to be enlightened? you cann spin it in all eternity and wont come to an result. beause there is no result, there is no objective truth. without you, there is nothing. this is true. and if it only exists if you exist, then all is you, you are all. IS IS hahahahaha IS IS what IS and what not IS IS NOT

everything is absolutely senseless. we live, build, fight, wont forgive, kill each other over bullshit that does not matter at all, hoard gold and shit as we would live tousands of years only to be burried with all of this valueless illusions. instead we will die after 70 years. 70 years, thats it. if the billions of cosmic years are without any purpose like we saw they are, imagine what difference your 70 years will make for the universe, for god and so on. none. so take em and make em to make a difference for you.

and the longer you trie to escape from this truth through various smoke and mirror masquerades, the longer you fight death and trie to secure everything, the more precious time you will waste and loose and will be dead long before death, like all of our society is. all the lemmings are running like chickens without a head. and where are they running to? nobody knows. but everybody keeps running hysterically. thats the central stuff. when you dont know the path and which path you want to take, then all paths you take will look wrong. if you dont know where you are going, you will always end up anywhere..means nowhere a priori..and as long as you define result = somewhere...you will be disapointed. so you have to decide what you want and what you are.

or on the other side,
if you define that all possible paths are a place adorable to be, no matter what they are. it will make no difference which path you may take, they will all lead you to your rome, even if its cartagena.

and there is no freedom or enlightement in running faster as your fellow one..only to be the first in a place you even hadnt choosen and defined. we dont know where we are running to, but when we do not finish there up, we cry about it. this is our paradoxal collective shizophrenia.

its all bollox. but thats good news, we just have to see it like this then because of the absolute futility of the universe, only because there is no absolute law valid for everybody at all times, only because of that, you are able to decide what is sensefull for you on your own, no matter if its true or not a priori. you can decide what matters to you, you can freely choose what your life will be about or not. even if all of these are just illusions, they are freely chosen illusions and recognized like that you need in your life and are not prescribed and predefined illusions of others that mimic others who had copied others before them... that will enslave you and make you stressed and depressed, isolated and so on. and thats the issue with all static ideologies, religion, nations, borders and so on. but we want it that way. better the old known shit but the unknown.

what we do, is demanding a fish to jump on a trees crown and when it fails..we call it a lazy monkey. and all the parents keep repeating it to their children..."dont be a lazy monkey"...even if they have the most precious kais.

there are 7 billion more or less different truths at least..and all of them are true, and all of them are false. because everything is true and nothing is true at the same time. god is NOW HERE and NOWHERE at the same time. Only when he is nowhere a priori, she is able to be everywhere at the same time a little. and this little is you an me. just another aspect of one. there is no two beings. its only one. when neo and mr smith understand that they are no enemies but THE ONE...they will understand that fighting the other means fighting oneself, hurting the other means hurting oneself. thats karma. its not revenge. its like you are punching yourself in the mirror. you will hurt yourself. not the one in the mirror. there is nobody in the mirror...(only if you look in it for too long, dont do it)

the air in your kitchen may smell different then the air in my kitchen..and between them they may be tousands of miles of separation, and closed windows and doors..they are obviously two different separated things..but anyway its only one air..everywhere in the world, there is no boundarie in between, there is no in between..its one line.

there a trillions and trillions of drops of water in the ocean..but its all just one sea.

what the hell is for the caterpillar, is a full hd paradise for the butterfly. anyway, without the catterpillar and butterfly..there is no hell and no heaven.

every day i take some 30 minutes for my worries to think about, and at this time i make a little sleep ;) you see..sometimes going to sleep is waking up ...in "real"..

excellent thank you

please post more of your insights here in the future

So it comes that Neo did not become a master while trying to fight an illusion...but first when he recognized and believed that there is no building to fall from, no floor to crush on, no body to get injured, no spoon to be bended..

mastering the matrix is not using a parachute and jumping from the building safely. in this case the parachute would just be another part of the same matrix that defines absolute truths like the one that you will die if you jump from a skyscraper. but if the skyscraper is only energy and if it only exists as an skyscraper in your head and your beliefs...then this means that there is no skyscraper and you wont die if you jump from it..namely then when you switch your belief to this truth that there is no skyscraper and no body.. the same way you before believed in the existence of the skyscraper.

mastering the matrix means to laugh honestly at the dishonest laughter. to switch the other side..to kiss your greatest enemy. sounds like a familiar ultimum imperium simulac(r)um

no building, no floor, no body, no spoon...

only an empty mainframe for neo to construct his own reality

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From: [link to www.jkrishnamurti.org]

The state of negation

Krishnamurti: To deny all this is to deny oneself, and oneself is the conditioned entity who continually pursues a conditioned good. To most of us negation appears as a vacuum because we know activity only in the prison of our conditioning, fear and misery. From that we look at negation and imagine it to be some terrible state of oblivion or emptiness. To the man who has negated all the assertions of society, religion, culture and morality, the man who is still in the prison of social conformity is a man of sorrow. Negation is the state of enlightenment which functions in all the activities of a man who is free of the past. It is the past, with its tradition and its authority, that has to be negated. Negation is freedom, and it is the free man who lives, loves, and knows what it means to die.

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god 'like' productions

god 'similarity' productions

god 'simulacrum' productions

"A simulacrum (plural: simulacra from Latin: simulacrum, which means "likeness, similarity"), is a representation or imitation of a person or thing.[1] The word was first recorded in the English language in the late 16th century, used to describe a representation, such as a statue or a painting, especially of a god."

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"The physical is the expression of memories and inspirations taking place in the soul of self-identity. Change the state of self-identity and the state of the physical world changes" ~ Dr I. Hew Len Contact Manuella

Thanks for the time and effort for making this thread and bumping it, OP.

I appreciate it, keep doing what you're doing. You're on the noble path. : )

thank you!

it means much to hear someone say that

i will keep doing this for people like you



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Right on!

Peace out.

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In plain sight

Exactly.

I think the "awakened" have it harder than even the awakened because they are so used to knowing the truth that they forget about it!