CERN: why the fear? What do you believe is the danger and why?

OK...since you watched the videos, what is your take? Is Cern scary to you? If so, why?

because it change the magnetosphere [link to www.solarham.net]

What is the danger? The danger comes when you have so many (allegedly) intelligent people still believing 70 years-old government propaganda disguised as nuclear science. Most people won't know what the hell I'm talking about, either.

Thread: The atomic structure "inverts" at about 150 atomic mass units ...

Thread: " ... every single thing you just said goes against everything we know about physics and how stars work."

Thread: Our energy bills should only be about $0.05... a year...

But it's not on yet...

Love the Douglas Adams reference!

And you are correct that I do not know what the hell you are talking about. But I am certainly open to debate, you'll just need to dumb it down a bit and hit me with some real data.

iron core sun? That's new. Sure, there is iron there, but where would the heat that powers our planet come from if it weren't for fusion? The neutron thing confuses me.

Oh, and government propaganda and science have gone together forever! Just have to turn the filter way up any time someone in government says "....better for you".

Go back to sleep simpleton. Shhhhhh just go back to sleep.

It gets a bit more wild when you find out that things which are held to be "universal" actually are not. A big one here is something called "Kirchoff's Law" which isn't actually a law at all, and it isn't even a valid theory anymore, because it's wrong. That changes the entire landscape of nearly EVERYTHING.

Big rewrites of science will be forthcoming (whether anyone wants it or not.)


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Google a term called "Bharat radiation."

You gave me 4 hours of video. FOUR HOURS! Not even an exciting four hours. Surely you can condense your thoughts into a paragraph or two. For purposes of debate.

no knowledge= fear

I know of Kirchoff's law from schooling. I make electricity for a living. However, I am not familiar with that same law outside electrical circuits. Haven't used it in years!

The guy in the video talks much using theoreticals on the extreme end of the examples. Those examples do not exist. there is no perfect reflector nor a perfect absorber, which makes his argument moot. The math changes when the beta is other than one.

Also, he sure is difficult to follow! I think his brain is outrunning himself.

But back to the topic...Cern. Fear it or excited about the science?

OK. I googled. No definitive definition and very little to go on. Evidently, an Indian scientist made the hypothesis and published in a few journals.

A few snips about faster than light radiation.

Can you help? My google is broke.

they might discover more science that disproves religious myths.

Or, perhaps they discover something that points toward a creation and a creator.

You never know what's unknown until it's discovered.

People fear what they don't understand, most of them don't even realise there are hundreds of these things all over the world either.

Here are just a few:


Europe

AGOR Accelerateur Groningen-ORsay, KVI Groningen, Netherlands
ALBA Synchrotron Light Facility, Barcelona, Spain
ANKA Ångströmquelle Karlsruhe, Karlsruhe, Germany
ARRONAX Accelerator for Research in Radiochemistry and Oncology in Nantes Atlantique,Saint Herblain, France
BERLinPro Berlin Energy Recovery Linac Project, Helmholtz-Zentrum Berlin für Materialien und Energie GmbH, Germany
BESSY II Helmholtz-Zentrum Berlin für Materialien und Energie GmbH, Germany
CeBeTeRad Institute of Nuclear Chemistry and Technology, Warszawa, Poland
CEMHTI Conditions Extrêmes et Matériaux : Haute Température et Irradiation, Orléans, France
CERN Centre Europeen de Recherche Nucleaire, Geneva, Suisse (LHC, PS-Division, SL-Division)
CMAM Centro de Microanálisis de Materiales, Universidad Autonoma de Madrid, Spain
CNA Centro Nacional de Aceleradores, Seville, Spain
COSY Cooler Synchrotron, IKP, FZ Jülich, Germany (COSY Status)
CYCLONE Cyclotron of Louvain la Neuve, Louvain-la-Neuve, Belgium
DELTA Dortmunder ELekTronenspeicherring-Anlage, Zentrum für Synchrotronstrahlung der Technischen Universität Dortmund, Germany
DESY Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Hamburg, Germany (XFEL, PETRA III, FLASH, ILC, PITZ)
ELBE ELectron source with high Brilliance and low Emittance, Helmholtz-Zentrum Dresden - Rossendorf e.V. (HZDR), Germany
ELETTRA AREA Science Park, Trieste, Italy
ELSA Electron Stretcher Accelerator, Bonn University, Germany (ELSA status)
ELU-6e Institute of Applied Radiation Chemistry, Technical University of Lodz, Poland
ESRF European Synchrotron Radiation Facility, Grenoble, France
ESSB ESS-Bilbao, Zamudio, Spain
GANIL Grand Accélérateur National d'Ions Lourds, Caen, France (GANIL, SPIRAL2)
GSI Gesellschaft für Schwerionenforschung, Darmstadt, Germany
HISKP Helmholtz-Institut für Strahlen- und Kernphysik, Bonn, Germany (Isochron Cyclotron)
IHEP Institute for High Energy Physics, Protvino, Moscow region, Russian Federation
INFN Istituto Nazionale di Fisica Nucleare, Italy,
LNF - Laboratori Nazionali di Frascati (DAFNE, DAFNE beam test facility)
LNL - Laboratori Nazionali di Legnaro (Tandem, CN Van de Graaff, AN 2000 Van de Graaff),
LNS - Laboratori Nazionali del Sud, Catania, (Superconducting Cyclotron)
ISA Institute for Storage Ring Facilities (ASTRID, ASTRID2, ELISA), Aarhus, Denmark
ISIS Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Oxford, U.K.
JINR Joint Institute for Nuclear Research, Dubna, Russian Federation (U-400, U-400M, LHE Synchrophasotron / Nuclotron)
JYFL Jyväskylän Yliopiston Fysiikan Laitos, Jyväskylä, Finland
MLL Maier-Leibnitz-Laboratorium: Accelerator of LMU and TU Muenchen, Munich, Germany
MAMI Mainzer Microtron, Universität Mainz, Germany
MAX-Lab Lund University, Sweden
MPI-HD Max Planck Institut für Kernphysik, Heidelberg, Germany
MIC Microanalytical center at JSI, Ljubljana, Slovenia
MLS Metrology Light Source, Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt, Germany
MSL Manne Siegbahn Laboratory, Stockholm, Sweden (CRYRING)
PITZ Photo Injector Test facility at DESY in Zeuthen, Germany
RUBION Zentrale Einrichtung für Ionenstrahlen und Radionuklide, Universität Bochum, Germany
S-DALINAC Superconducting Darmstadt linear accelerator, Technische Universität Darmstadt, Germany
SLS Paul Scherrer Institut PSI, Villigen, Switzerland
SOLEIL Synchrotron SOLEIL, GIF-SUR-YVETTE CEDEX, France
TSL The Svedberg Laboratory, Uppsala University, Sweden

North America

88" Cycl. 88-Inch Cyclotron, Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (LBL), Berkeley, CA
ALS Advanced Light Source, Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (LBL), Berkeley, CA (ALS Status)
ANL Argonne National Laboratory, Chicago, IL (Advanced Photon Source APS, Argonne Tandem Linac Accelerator System ATLAS)
BATES Bates Linear Accelerator Center, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, USA
BNL Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY (AGS, ATF, NSLS, RHIC)
CAMD Center for Advanced Microstructures and Devices, Louisiana State University
CENPA Center for Experimental Nuclear Physics and Astrophysics, University of Washington, USA
CESR Cornell Electron-positron Storage Ring, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY
CHESS Cornell High Energy Synchrotron Source, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY
CLS Canadian Light Source, U of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
CNL Crocker Nuclear Laboratory, University of California Davis, CA
FNAL Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory , Batavia, IL
FSU John D. Fox Superconducting Accelerator Laboratory, Florida State University, USA
IAC Idaho accelerator center, Pocatello, Idaho
ININ National Institute for Nuclear Research, Mexico
ISNAP Institute for Structure and Nuclear Astrophysics, Notre Dame University, USA
IUCF Indiana University Cyclotron Facility, Bloomington, Indiana
JLab aka TJNAF, Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility (formerly known as CEBAF), Newport News, VA
LAC Louisiana Accelerator Center, U of Louisiana at Lafayette, Louisiana
LANL Los Alamos National Laboratory
MIBL Michigan Ion Beam Laboratory, University of Michigan
NSCL National Superconducting Cyclotron Laboratory, Michigan State University
ORNL Oak Ridge National Laboratory Oak Ridge, Tennessee
OUAL John E. Edwards Accelerator Laboratory, Ohio University, USA
PBPL Particle Beam Physics Lab (Neptune-Laboratory, PEGASUS - Photoelectron Generated Amplified Spontaneous Radition Source)
RPI The Gaerttner LINAC Laboratory, MANE School of Enginering, USA
SLAC Stanford Linear Accelerator Center, (SLC - SLAC Linear electron positron Collider, SSRL - Stanford Synchrotron Radiation Laboratory)
SNS Spallation Neutron Source, Oak Ridge, Tennessee
SRC Synchrotron Radiation Center, U of Wisconsin - Madison
SURF III Synchrotron Ultraviolet Radiation Facility, National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), Gaithersburg, Maryland
TAMU Cyclotron Institute, Texas A&M University, USA
TRIUMF Canada's National Laboratory for Particle and Nuclear Physics, Vancouver, BC (Canada)
TUNL Triangle Universities Nuclear Laboratory, USA
UMASS University of Massachusetts Lowell Radiation Laboratory, USA
UNAM Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México, Mexico
WMU Van de Graaff Accelerator at the Physics Department of the Western Michigan University, Kalamazoo, Michigan
WNSL Wright Nuclear Structure Laboratory, Yale University, USA

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Fear arises from ignorance.

This is so true! Many have been operating for quite some time, as well. I think it has a lot to do with the misconception of the 'god particle' search and associated gossip.

Then someone blurts out something about creating black holes and then rumors are off to the races!

It's ashame the SSC in Texas was abandoned mid-construction. That was designed, at the outset for 20teV. Compared to the 14teV upgrade happening at CERN. THAT would be world ending! /sarc/

That was quite a boondoggle(cost overruns and such) at the time, though. Given the economic climate of the time, probably best. There's a huge man made 54 mile diameter tunnel under there now. Full of water.

Can you imagine the most paranoid nation on Earth dealing with that, would be constantly super pinned!
I would loved to have seen it though.

Funny how they all ignore it when you post about the others though, ruins their doom.

Here's something.

Add an extra degree of freedom to the electromagnetic field. Photons have a very small mass. Then it's "speed of light" vs. "speed of photons." There's probably more.

Saving the best for last.


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Oh. My. God. Wow.

Pass me another one of those microdots. Could use three for this trip.

That has got to be one of the most spaced out, trippin' videos I've seen in quite some time. Now always in a good way, though. Little dipster & big dipster? Comets on the wall? 'Check out my eyeballs'....odd.

Adult Swim. OK. Understand now.

Great pick, totally taken off guard!

Glad you liked that Tim & Eric video. I laughed my ass off when I saw it.


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But, how about something like this for two charges Q and q between distance r:



And with photon mass m sub gamma, the speed of light c, and Plank's constant h-bar:




(I'm not a math person.)

if CERN is causing all this trouble when it's not even turned on, imagine how bad it will be when they fire up the particle collisions!!

WOOOSH-----> (sound of something going way over my head)

But the math looks flawed. Can't work with R=0. And it is missing the spin coefficient which completely changes the formula.

And, second, doesn't the proton mass increases as energy is applied to it and the proton is traveling near the speed of light? Since E is increasing, C is constant, then M must go up. Your equation is much more complicated....

In order to maintain air-speed velocity, a swallow needs to beat its wings forty-three times every second.

I've always thought CERN was worthy of some apprehension. But, the emphasis on it lately has gone beyond reason. It leads me to suspect that it is a diversion or being set up as a scapegoat for some future events.

Or perhaps testing the whims of mad theoretical physicists with devices capable of producing catastrophic power isn't the best idea.

Let me show you a one of my favorites:



Where psi is the wave function of an electron of rest mass m, with spacetime coordinates x, t, and p1, p2, & p3 are the Schroedinger momentum operator components, c is the speed of light, as expected, and h-bar is again the Planck constant divided by 2*pi.

It can be simplified however: