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It is time for pilotless commercial aircraft

 
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We have the technology, remove the unnecessary humans from the flight systems.

It will be safer.

No cockpit, no doors or windows required. Advanced avionics and computers are much better at flying large aircraft than humans are, why are we still dependent on pilots?

Believe it or not, you would be far safer flying this way, now and in the future.
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You clearly are not a pilot, OP and have no idea what you are talking about...
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Why?... Because a real pilot would never say such things that could potentially harm his career choice and livelihood.

Yes?
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Of course, real pilots would never support such drastic changes, would they?

In fact they would do almost anything to prevent theses changes. Maybe that is in part why we are still doing things the way we are now when there is a better, safer way...
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We have the technology, remove the unnecessary humans from the flight systems.

It will be safer.

No cockpit, no doors or windows required. Advanced avionics and computers are much better at flying large aircraft than humans are, why are we still dependent on pilots?

Believe it or not, you would be far safer flying this way, now and in the future.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61646897




You clearly are not a pilot, OP and have no idea what you are talking about...
 Quoting: nwo is the time


Why?... Because a real pilot would never say such things that could potentially harm his career choice and livelihood.

Yes?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47212814


Of course, real pilots would never support such drastic changes, would they?

In fact they would do almost anything to prevent theses changes. Maybe that is in part why we are still doing things the way we are now when there is a better, safer way...
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This is such foolish mentality. Of course all pilots want job security, but if you don't know what goes into piloting a plane and how crucial a human body and mind is to pilot the plane safely from take off to landing, then why make such outlandish statements? Until you've gone through extensive training from your private pilots license to Air Transport Pilot rating and have through knowledge with at least one passenger carrying aircraft, then it's ridiculous to say that a computer would be more efficient to safely carry hundreds of lives than a human mind, the most complex "computer" in the known universe.

Furthermore, despite what MSM likes to have you believe with it's morbid frequent reporting of aircraft accidents, the past year has been one of the safest years in aviation history with 1 in 4.4 million flights actually being involved in a fatal accident-with human pilots.

Proper training and increased standards are key to safer flights and are being implemented daily in the aviation world.
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You clearly are not a pilot, OP and have no idea what you are talking about...
 Quoting: nwo is the time


Why?... Because a real pilot would never say such things that could potentially harm his career choice and livelihood.

Yes?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47212814


Of course, real pilots would never support such drastic changes, would they?

In fact they would do almost anything to prevent theses changes. Maybe that is in part why we are still doing things the way we are now when there is a better, safer way...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47212814




This is such foolish mentality. Of course all pilots want job security, but if you don't know what goes into piloting a plane and how crucial a human body and mind is to pilot the plane safely from take off to landing, then why make such outlandish statements? Until you've gone through extensive training from your private pilots license to Air Transport Pilot rating and have through knowledge with at least one passenger carrying aircraft, then it's ridiculous to say that a computer would be more efficient to safely carry hundreds of lives than a human mind, the most complex "computer" in the known universe.

Furthermore, despite what MSM likes to have you believe with it's morbid frequent reporting of aircraft accidents, the past year has been one of the safest years in aviation history with only 1 in 4.4 million flights actually being involved in a fatal accident-with human pilots.

Proper training and increased standards are key to safer flights and are being implemented daily in the aviation world.

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Re: It is time for pilotless commercial aircraft
We have the technology, remove the unnecessary humans from the flight systems.

It will be safer.

No cockpit, no doors or windows required. Advanced avionics and computers are much better at flying large aircraft than humans are, why are we still dependent on pilots?

Believe it or not, you would be far safer flying this way, now and in the future.
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Thread: Are pilotless remote controlled commercial aircraft coming next?
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howaboutno
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I agree....and if there is any doubt.....go watch Charlie Victor Romeo.....no way would anyone want to fly without a pilot
 Quoting: The Old Timer


Yeah, call me old-fashioned, but there's *no* way I'm leaving the ground in a robot with no pilot.
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I am very sure many many air disasters have been avoided with out good pilots....I can't see a robot plane landing in a river to save lives
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Thread: 3 Pilots in Airliners...time to go back
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how about there be enough parachutes on board for all passengers

if something like this happens everyone can just jump out the airlock
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How about a gun for every passenger.

1 or 2 or 5 fuckers try anything, and suddenly 145 people are all shooting them dead.

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I still don't understand why there isn't a huge parachute system on commercial airplanes. Seriously. SOMETHING!
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Yup, microlights have them.
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Re: It is time for pilotless commercial aircraft
We have the technology, remove the unnecessary humans from the flight systems.

It will be safer.

No cockpit, no doors or windows required. Advanced avionics and computers are much better at flying large aircraft than humans are, why are we still dependent on pilots?

Believe it or not, you would be far safer flying this way, now and in the future.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61646897


the boeing 757 has this capability already..thats why all of the aircraft on 911 were 757's
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It would take truly extraordinary circumstances to get me to even consider boarding a commercial flight. I would go so far as to say that I believe in having helicopters for emergency situations, but nothing else in the air. It's not natural, and it's not safe. And if I can't bring my favorite substances of choice and openly use them, I will not engage.
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Re: It is time for pilotless commercial aircraft
What a horrible idea.

Who takes over when the computer fails?
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I still don't understand why there isn't a huge parachute system on commercial airplanes. Seriously. SOMETHING!
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They can't build a parachute strong enough to withstand an opening shock at cruise speed. If they did, all the passengers would be strawberry jam in the first class section.
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Re: It is time for pilotless commercial aircraft
It would take truly extraordinary circumstances to get me to even consider boarding a commercial flight. I would go so far as to say that I believe in having helicopters for emergency situations, but nothing else in the air. It's not natural, and it's not safe. And if I can't bring my favorite substances of choice and openly use them, I will not engage.
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But I'm sure you have no problem driving a car.
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Re: It is time for pilotless commercial aircraft
What a horrible idea.

Who takes over when the computer fails?
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The backup system, followed by other backup systems. All operating in a closed loop, any failures and another system takes over.

Simple.

Who takes over when the pilots fail now?

Or when one has a bad day, or loses his mind, or is underqualified, or reads instruments incorrectly flying VIR and inverts the plane because he cant see the horizon etc, oops.. sorry no backups.
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I still don't understand why there isn't a huge parachute system on commercial airplanes. Seriously. SOMETHING!
 Quoting: Chip


They can't build a parachute strong enough to withstand an opening shock at cruise speed. If they did, all the passengers would be strawberry jam in the first class section.
 Quoting: train


3 to 5 Staged system like the Space Shuttle has during landing.

Air brakes! Fucking AIRBAGS!!! Something!
 Quoting: Chip


Sounds nice, but the size and weight would make it impractical.

Not only that, the first time such a system deployed accidentally on take off or landing and killed all on board it would be the end of it.
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Not going to happen yet. The A320 is a faulty POS aircraft. They're always going to want a pilot to blame for their failures in design.
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Yeah that way the turd in the ground cockpit can crash the plane without hurting themselves.
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howaboutno
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I agree....and if there is any doubt.....go watch Charlie Victor Romeo.....no way would anyone want to fly without a pilot
 Quoting: The Old Timer


Yeah, call me old-fashioned, but there's *no* way I'm leaving the ground in a robot with no pilot.
 Quoting: ScrumpTheTexan


I am very sure many many air disasters have been avoided with out good pilots....I can't see a robot plane landing in a river to save lives
 Quoting: The Old Timer


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There are certain things computers just can't do
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Re: It is time for pilotless commercial aircraft
The technology isn't there for complete automation.

Automated systems for avoiding weather by taking input from wx radar and asking to avoid wx combined with judgement for knowing what wx will do to the aircraft in certain scenarios.
Sensors to help the aircraft avoid other aircraft, obstacles, birds haven't been developed and tested.
Judgement for what to do in an emergency and how to deal with compound emergencies that haven't been throught of by aircraft designers.

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Re: It is time for pilotless commercial aircraft
I still don't understand why there isn't a huge parachute system on commercial airplanes. Seriously. SOMETHING!
 Quoting: Chip


They can't build a parachute strong enough to withstand an opening shock at cruise speed. If they did, all the passengers would be strawberry jam in the first class section.
 Quoting: train


3 to 5 Staged system like the Space Shuttle has during landing.

Air brakes! Fucking AIRBAGS!!! Something!
 Quoting: Chip


Sounds nice, but the size and weight would make it impractical.

Not only that, the first time such a system deployed accidentally on take off or landing and killed all on board it would be the end of it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48411087


Lawyers probably explained to the airlines that wrongful death payouts are like $10M. surgeries, permanent disability and care can exceed that a couple of years. Should not matter though. airlines have basically always been subsidzed by the government. then they try to go provate. then they get bailouts.
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Re: It is time for pilotless commercial aircraft
Why not have the aircraft detach all wings, leaving only the cabin, crew and passengers safe in a capsule that deploys large parachutes.

At least bring the velocity down increasing chance for survival.


Something like an emergency ejection system for commercial aircraft.


It would need to be fail safe, not trigger on accident. Even if it did, the souls on board should survive. If it works as it should.
 Quoting: -VonAmoR-


think of the size and the number of the chutes needed to slow something of this size down to just the point where there are no injuries on landing/impact
 Quoting: PRÆTORIAN


retro rockets, using wings to slow things down....

Point is, we all discuss software technologies and ignore hardware technologies.


The idea is not as far fetched as seat belting ourselves to an aluminum shed with wings full of fuel.
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Re: It is time for pilotless commercial aircraft
howaboutno
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I agree....and if there is any doubt.....go watch Charlie Victor Romeo.....no way would anyone want to fly without a pilot
 Quoting: The Old Timer


Yeah, call me old-fashioned, but there's *no* way I'm leaving the ground in a robot with no pilot.
 Quoting: ScrumpTheTexan


I am very sure many many air disasters have been avoided with out good pilots....I can't see a robot plane landing in a river to save lives
 Quoting: The Old Timer


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Re: It is time for pilotless commercial aircraft
We have the technology, remove the unnecessary humans from the flight systems.

It will be safer.

No cockpit, no doors or windows required. Advanced avionics and computers are much better at flying large aircraft than humans are, why are we still dependent on pilots?

Believe it or not, you would be far safer flying this way, now and in the future.
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stfu
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Great idea.

Ushering in a brand new era of cyberterrorism.

Come on, man.
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Re: It is time for pilotless commercial aircraft
I still don't understand why there isn't a huge parachute system on commercial airplanes. Seriously. SOMETHING!
 Quoting: Chip


They can't build a parachute strong enough to withstand an opening shock at cruise speed. If they did, all the passengers would be strawberry jam in the first class section.
 Quoting: train


i guess if there was enough altitude, a drag chute from the tail to slow it down first, then multiple large top chutes...





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