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The Christian Bible Forbids The Eating Of Pork

 
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What Defiles a Man
14After He called the crowd to Him again, He began saying to them, "Listen to Me, all of you, and understand: 15there is nothing outside the man which can defile him if it goes into him; but the things which proceed out of the man are what defile the man.…
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Yes, and disobedience, proceeding from the heart of man, is what would prompt a devout Jew to disregard the dietary laws of Torah.
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No, actually, self righteousness is what keeps him clinging to works of the law for he cannot discern that the law is spiritual. So he abstains from pork, he gains self righteousness, and then cements himself into disobedience unable to stop adding his own works to that which is SUFFICIENT - the Grace of God and His righteousness.
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Faith aloners really love that phrase, self-righteousness. To bad you project it unto a forms of righteousness, good deeds or acts of self-restrain. So much for walking in the spirit huh.
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I did none of those things.
Whether you choose to eat pork or not is never the issue.
But when you gain a sense of righteous or unrighteous standing from said "obedience to the letter" and not solely from what Jesus Christ accomplished....is the issue.
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There is no trinity. Only the Father, YHWH, is God. And what you're describing is modalism, a church heresy, and not trinitarianism.

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Ehh, I'd argue that is heresy honestly. Jesus is the whole point, refusing Christ's divinity is no different than what Muslims believe no? Jesus is the Word, why would scripture tell us the word was with God and the word was God if it were a lie?

If you don't mind my asking, what are your thoughts on Jesus? Who do you believe he is? Thanks for your time!
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Who is Jesus? What does the Bible say?

And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. Matt 16:16

No different than Muslims? How about no different than the children of Israel? The Jews the Messiah came to. Moses wasn't a trinitarian. Abraham wasn't a trinitarian. Noah wasn't a trinitarian.

Trinitarian scholars and apologists are liars and decievers and liar and decievers love to supress truth. What is the logos? It's a great place to start, and I'm glad you started there.

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Thanks for the response! The Bible says a lot more about Jesus than just that though. I'll take a look at all the links you provided me and compare them with scripture and come to a conclusion. Do you happen to have any more scripture to back up your claims if you don't mind my asking?

However, scripture is pretty clear about Jesus' divinity and Godhood.

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:"

Why does the first book of the Bible have God saying us and our? Because of what John 1:1 says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God..."

I've heard people argue that the us and our refers to angels in heaven with God, but this is impossible. God says in our image, yet there is nothing in scripture that outright states angels were made in the image of God. Unless the Word of God outright states angels are in the image of God, it will remain conjecture.

Later in John 1:14 it states "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,"

John 5:23 "that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him."

John 8:24 "“Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM [He], you will die in your sins.”"

John 8:58 "Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”"

John 10:30-33 "Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”"

John 20:28 "And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!"

Acts 20:28 "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."

The new covenant is strictly based on the blood of Jesus, yet Acts 20:28 states God purchased it with HIS blood. If the blood of Jesus is God's blood, then Jesus is God as it states in John "I and My father are one".

1 Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory."

2 John 1:7 "For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."

Matt 28:19 "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"

But, even ignoring all of those scriptures the word of God outright tells us that the three are one. 1 John 5:7 is missing from pretty much every version of the Bible aside from the KJV. The KJV (the most attacked and hated translation) goes into much more detail in 1 John 5:7.

Lets compare the NIV, ESV and KJV translations of 1 John 5:7-8

NIV: "For there are three that testify: the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement."

ESV: "For there are three that testify: the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement."

KJV: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

All the modern bible translations remove this crucial evidence from God himself! God say to never change his word, yet they did, and something that is pretty much the entire basis of all Christianity.

The modern translations conveniently leave out the trinity, furthermore they leave out the fact that spirit, water and blood testify on EARTH! The fact that the modern bible translations butcher this scripture is nothing short of blasphemy and heresy.

The trinity actually isn't a lie from Rome, your argument is the real lie from Rome. You said the Roman Catholic Church spread the "lie" of the trinity The modern bible translations all use the Latin Vulgate, the KJV used the Textus Receptus. The Textus Receptus was translated using the Peshitta Bible and Italic Bibles produced between 150AD-160AD.

The Latin Vulgate came from Alexandrian manuscripts from St. Jerome who was overseen by Pope Damasus! The Latin Vulgate is where we get the modern bible translations that leave out the crucial 1 John 5:7 verse!

These scriptures lead me to believe that Jesus is in fact God, manifest in the flesh. I haven't based anything on my own speculation and have used the Word of God to interpret the Word of God. The Word of God not only clearly shows the divinity of Christ, it also mentions that the three are one!
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No, you're wrong, and the verses you posted follows a typical formula that makes me suspect it's a copy-and-paste from a trinitarian apologetics site. The "proof" text are also so nonsensical and demands to much conformation bias for one to see even a remote hint of a trinity.

First things first. The trinity doctrine was invented, not by Rome, but by mostly the influence of the Ortodox church. That was before Rome spread it by the sword. And the process started in 325 AD and took several centuries to fully develop. This is not an opinion, it's a fact.

Let's examing your trinity claims:

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:"

Where is the trinity? This verses has been understood historically, by Jews and gentile alike, even by trinitarian scholars, to be God adressing the heavenly host. It can also be case of pluralis majestatis. But even if you entertain, on a theoretical level, a plurality, how on earth would you end up with the very specific number three? There's the confirmation bias. YHWH is also introduced in Genesis 2:4, and the singular oneness of YHWH is constantly asserted.

We've already done John and the logos. You need to research the subject and the links I provided you with. Let's see what Jesushas to say in John:

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. John 20:17

One God, the Father.

John 5:23 "that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him."

I fail to see the point. Sound like more confirmation bias.

John 8:58 "Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”"

Horrible and grammatically nonsensical argument. This is a lie and perversion concocted by decivers. It doesn't make grammatical sense, it doesn't make contexual sense.





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2 John 1:7 "For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."

Yes, the Christ. The Messiah. He came in the flesh. Again, what is the point you're trying to prove with this verse? Try to read this from my point of view, not according to trinitaria confirmation bias; where is the trinity in that verse?

And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. Matt 16:16

1 Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory."

Nope. Later corruption.



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KJV: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

This is yet another corruption, a later interpolation.



Why do you think modern translations leaves it out? 99% of all Bible translations caters to trinitarian, what would be the incentive of leaving out the stronger "proof" verse? There's no "war" going on against the KJV, but KJVonlyism is an unscriptural cult. It's a fraudulent verse only found in the KJV. And even if it wasn't; how does bearing witness make one God? That is conformation bias of uncanny proportion? Where does it say anything about a trinity of co-equal, co-eternal Gods?

Matt 28:19 "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"

Yes. In the name of. It's a triadic formula. The verse don't even remotely suggest a trinity. According to the trinity doctrine Jesus is co-equal to the Father. So who gave him authority? That verse don't even make sense from a trinitarian perspective.

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There is not trinity in the Bible:



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Jesus H Christ, not this Trinity is wrong crap again,
The Father
The Son
he Holy spirit

it's what nearly all Christians know as truth stop spreading false teachings and damning people to hell.
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Yes, nearly Christians. That's why the gate is narrow. No idolaters will enter the kingdom and you threat it like it's a joke.
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What say you Christian bacontards?
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I'm not under law...I'm under grace



Acts 13:39 "And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses."


1 Corinthians 6:12 "All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any."


By his blood I am free...
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So homosexuality is not a sin by that rationale. It supersedes Leviticus.
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By this rationale, Genesis, the Ten Commandments, etc. are irrelevant as well. Can someone explain that to Creationists, please?
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Jesus H Christ, not this Trinity is wrong crap again,
The Father
The Son
he Holy spirit

it's what nearly all Christians know as truth stop spreading false teachings and damning people to hell.
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Yes, nearly Christians. That's why the gate is narrow. No idolaters will enter the kingdom and you threat it like it's a joke.
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Nearly all*
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Religitards pick and choose what verses they obey.
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Yes they do, but then they are also saying that God evolved on the matter.





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