The Christian Bible Forbids Woman To Speak In Church

You keep saying contradictory things. Look again at the conversation quoted above, and try to reconcile your "dark ally" response to what I said about following Jesus, and your latest claim to follow Jesus.

YOUR logic is not only flawed but non-existent. Your application of scripture is likewise nonexistent. If you're confused, it's because I've presented strong arguments against male privilege and entitlement.

I find it funny that even the religitards argue with each other over their religious book.

I'm not a biblical scholar. I know that women are suppose to submit to their husbands and husbands are suppose to love their wives like they love God. So my interpretation, is that, in a "church setting", men are to be the teachers and women are to be the listeners.

Yep, i agree its just a meeting of people. I do not see this as women being less spiritual in anyway. Women are feminine in spirit and men are male in spirit. I dont think femininity is any less spiritual than a male if that's the question. God is the head of the church, men are the head of the household, women are the weaker vessel that are feminine. I'm not exactly sure what that scripture exactly mean't. But i do understand that men are suppose to love their wives like they love God and if they do anything different they are breaking their vows in marriage before God.

I would think the verse means men are suppose to be the teachers as they are the head of the household and are the head of the church meeting.

I think the verse is important, but, honestly, i've read the entire bible and the way husbands and wives are suppose to be married under God. So, i would assume if that's what that quote means.

And so it is today. Women are totally deceived and rebellious to God's authority, let alone man's authority. They absolutely DETEST God's hierarchy. The scriptures say that rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft.

Just a note to all you "lovely" ladies out there. God WILL have the last word, even if it totally flies in the face of your feminazi communist programming.

Like it, or not. Have it your way, fools, and go down swinging.

yes I think it just means not to gab during church.

You must be new to this thread. This has been explained already. But since nobody ever wants to go back and read, here's a commentary on the whole book of 1 Tim. It is vital to know the background of the letter, and the fact that Paul uses two "hapax legomena" in that passage. (If you don't know what that means, or which Greek words it refers to, then I'll provide links.)

[link to bible.fether.net]


And even if you choose not to read that, ask yourself whether Paul is really saying women can only be saved by having sex and giving birth. Because if that isn't what Paul is saying, then you have conceded that the "plain reading" of the passage is not as plain as many wish it to be.

You really should do more than paste scripture. Everybody thinks that the "plain reading" settles every argument, but as I showed re. women saved by childbearing, that cannot be true.

And this is why you started the thread; entertainment of people whose beliefs you don't even share or care.

The Bible is parables so it can be interpreted many ways.

Discussion is how you learn.

The hate shines though this thread. Hypocrites!

I tend to think this is true, my mom died young and I wanted to speak at her funeral. The asshole priest actually denied my request. I never forgot that and it really bothered me. Who was HE to say I couldn't speak at my own mothers funeral? Mentally I was a mess and didn't stand up to him but really, I wish I'd have told him to fuck off and spoke anyways.

bet it's a shill

To say you're not a Biblical scholar, but that you "know" what the Bible teaches, is the kind of irrationality that makes any attempt at discussion futile.

You said "I think" a lot in your comment. You can believe whatever you want, and you don't appear interested in digging deeper. So again, I ask you to "think" about how male privilege can possibly not violate the teachings of Jesus and Paul about humility, mutual submission, and laying privilege down.

By the way, men are never called "head of the household" in any part of the New Testament. But there is one spot where the Greek calls the wife the "ruler of the house". I can get the reference if you like, and show you the Greek words.

heirs according to promise

what if a woman told you she received a promise ahead of a man from God?

Well, for a book that supposedly is written by the creator of the universe and supposedly contains very important information you'd think the creator of the universe would make it a little more clear if it's that damn important.

Here, I will spell it out for you. You are the stranger that I refered to. The dark alley reference was to follow the the path of non linear reasoning that you established. My logic is not flawed.. God's scripture was posted where appropriate. I am not confused.

Can't argue with that logic.

Thanks for showing up, OP.

No...this man is teaching The Truth - you don't like it (respectfully noting) because it doesn't fit your self-worshiping view of theology!

Dude - pride has a hook in your heart - seriously, wise up and repent!

Im guessing our gender means nothing to a supreme being. Its not our words, but the complexity of our souls that is interpreted. When we die, we wont have a gender. The human condition keeps us dumbed down for a reason regardless of what gender you are. The bible may been inspired by great things , but was written by humans, as were all religions. I think most feel differences between the dark and the light and religion is just a way to articulate soulfulness. The bigger question, regardless of how you identify yourself, is what part of your soul are you loyal to? The dark side, the light? Do you know the difference? Its not slways clear to me based on how a person identifies themselves. That much i do know.

Women should keep silent unless asked for their opinion by a man. No man wants to hear a women drone on and on about stupid bullshit.

Respectfully, you don't understand - this is why:

2Ti 4:2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.
2Ti 4:3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,
2Ti 4:4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

To say you're not a Biblical scholar, but that you "know" what the Bible teaches, is the kind of irrationality that makes any attempt at discussion futile.

You said "I think" a lot in your comment. You can believe whatever you want, and you don't appear interested in digging deeper. So again, I ask you to "think" about how male privilege can possibly not violate the teachings of Jesus and Paul about humility, mutual submission, and laying privilege down.

By the way, men are never called "head of the household" in any part of the New Testament. But there is one spot where the Greek calls the wife the "ruler of the house". I can get the reference if you like, and show you the Greek words.


I've read the bible and understand how women are suppose to treat their husbands..in submission and that men are suppose to treat their wives like they would treat God, in submission, but men are created to be men, and women are created to be women and feminine.

"the head of every man is Christ"
"the head of every women is her husband"
"the head of Chris is God"

Priviledge is a word about status. This isn't about status. Humility is loving the weaker vessel like you love God. You are the stronger person. You are suppose to treat your wife with love. It makes sense to me. God treats us with love and he could destroy us without blinking an eye. The same for men, yet, God commands us to treat women, like a God, as humble, and loving as possible.

The bible makes it clear that the husband is to be the leader so to speak and that women are suppose to submit to their husbands. It has nothing to do with control. It has to do with love. If a man doesn't love his wife, then he doesn't love God. He is the leader.

You're making this into a much bigger deal than it is. If anything, its telling both men and women there are bigger consquences and bigger things then themselves.

As for the exact quote, again, I would assume that it means men are suppose to be the teachers in a church setting. As this is the way men were created and women were created.

"Religion" abused you...not Christianity

It sounds like you are angry over a Christian experience or an experience with other Christians. That's never a good thing. So, you might as well get over it. Its part of the testing we go through.

You are going to make an excellent muslim

You are a bit right. The bible holds a man and a woman as an archetype of human's relationship with God. When a human cheats on God it is idolatry and when a woman cheats on a man it is adultery.

The bible also says that in our eternal roles, we are all equal just as the angels do not have sexes and procreate, we will be.

Our role on earth as a man, woman, begger or governor is only for a while and we should not despise those in different roles than us or compare ourselves against them. We should be grateful for who God made us and give thanks in all things.

As for men being superior, having higher authority over the house is not the same as being superior. Men are also called to put a woman before himself and sacrifice himself as needed for her benefit.

It doesn't really matter what the role is, they all teach humility, obedience and honor for God if you don't despise and rebel. Most people who rebel will simply use your points as a type of justification or rationalization for their bad behavior.

Someone always has more than you in this life and someone will always have less than you in this life. Your appointed place is not a curse if you honor God for what he has given you.

It doesn't forbid, it advises.

Umm...no...you TOTALLY misunderstood my point!

I am opposed to religion except as is out lined here:

Jas 1:27 Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.

Religion is unnecessary - all one needs is a *relationship* with Jesus!

Relax! Seems like you're projecting whatever is making you uptight on others!

Is cultural, men on one side women on the other. When the husbands would prophecy, the wives would yell, "hey honey what food that mean"

So the verse tells women to ask husbands the scripture meaning at home, not in church