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I had a wedding and got married befor God.

I didnt contract with the state though.
Never filed the license.

The states idea of marraige is not the same as what i call marraige therefore i didnt want to contract using thier definition.
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This^

Less pressure from big gov. but the bond is there between you.
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I think that's what I want too. Then you can add each other to your wills if you want and keep the state out of it. Not having kids and I'm not one of these gold digging wenches. Marriage to me is about choosing someone to be your family. It shouldn't be about money.
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Was she mexican? I've heard that kind of thing before about hispanic women.

marriage us not outdated. Get a good pre-nup and marry a good woman.
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That's not true at all. My husband and I started out with nothing at all. Literally, as we were 14 years old when we got together. Now 11 years later, we have three children, have bought a home, and he is on his way to starting his own company with my support. Are things hunky dory all the time?? Hell no. But at the end of the day, it's not about what you have or what they can give, it's about what you can build together. And whether you can go through those down times and come out on top with that person. Life's no fairy tell (as I am slowly learning...lol) but that doesn't mean it can't be made into something great.
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Child hood romances are a completely different beast all together. You were just young and honestly it's just financially better to make it work. It's why many men do not want divorces. If you got divorced today do not even try to tell me you wouldn't go after his income instead of being a grown ass adult and paying your own way. Once again .. all the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66858594


If we divorced he would keep the house and I would get custody of our children. Like I said things aren't always great but if it came to that we would deal with it in a mature fashion. That's what you do when children are involved. He would help without me having to force him to do so.we're not all spiteful.
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And wrong again. The house gets to go to whoever is caring for the children. So either 1. You would stay in the house while "he" paid for it all even after he is gone. or 2. The house is sold and the money is split depending on how the courts decide. Time to wake up fro fairy tale land.
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It is just not his house since if she is taking care of it and the children. It would be the same if she were working outside the home and he was the taking care of the home and children. The house belongs to both of them no matter who is bringing in the money. Many women these days are paying alimony and child support to their ex's. So the tide is turning as more women are the bread winners and the husbands choose to stay at home.
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it is simply a bad financial decision.

not to mention the fact that most people are fucking psychos one way or another (myself included).

what is the difference between just saying youre "married" and living together, than going to the courthouse to sign papers?

having recently broken off an engagement i can honestly say it was the best fucking decision i have made for a while.

we weren't even married and she tried to clean me out. took the stove, refrigerator, and the fucking washer. now i have to go to someones house or the laundromat to wash clothes. AND SHE ALREADY HAD A FUCKING WASHER SHE JUST SOLD IT TO A FRIEND. /rant
 Quoting: Domenicklarzo


Hm what a douche bag, yeah people can live just like a happily married couple and not have to do the whole church bells and rings and shit like that.. I feel everything traditional has become "outdated"
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Let me see if I got this right. He invited her over into his home. He provided everything. He cooked, cleaned, and most likely provided entertainment. And for his trouble he had his appliances stolen. And yet he is the douchebag ... just wow. Typical woman.
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There are men out there who do worse. There are bad people of both sexes out there. And the men who are attracting problem women need to ask themselves why they keep going after these type of women. Therapy might be in order. It is the same thing when women get attracted to men who abuse them. There is something going on with the woman. People need to get themselves together before getting into relationships and blaming their bad decisions on someone else.
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Child hood romances are a completely different beast all together. You were just young and honestly it's just financially better to make it work. It's why many men do not want divorces. If you got divorced today do not even try to tell me you wouldn't go after his income instead of being a grown ass adult and paying your own way. Once again .. all the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66858594


If we divorced he would keep the house and I would get custody of our children. Like I said things aren't always great but if it came to that we would deal with it in a mature fashion. That's what you do when children are involved. He would help without me having to force him to do so.we're not all spiteful.
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And wrong again. The house gets to go to whoever is caring for the children. So either 1. You would stay in the house while "he" paid for it all even after he is gone. or 2. The house is sold and the money is split depending on how the courts decide. Time to wake up fro fairy tale land.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66858594


It is just not his house since if she is taking care of it and the children. It would be the same if she were working outside the home and he was the taking care of the home and children. The house belongs to both of them no matter who is bringing in the money. Many women these days are paying alimony and child support to their ex's. So the tide is turning as more women are the bread winners and the husbands choose to stay at home.
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bsflag

Tell that to the many many men still paying the bills while she moves in her thug boyfriend. Plus she is telling their children what a horrible person he is and uses the heavy handed court system to remove any and all visitation rights. So at the end of the day they are nothing more than money hungry child abusing skanks. I wouldn't take one minute out of my day to piss on a woman if she was on fire. They brought this on themselves.
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Child hood romances are a completely different beast all together. You were just young and honestly it's just financially better to make it work. It's why many men do not want divorces. If you got divorced today do not even try to tell me you wouldn't go after his income instead of being a grown ass adult and paying your own way. Once again .. all the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66858594


If we divorced he would keep the house and I would get custody of our children. Like I said things aren't always great but if it came to that we would deal with it in a mature fashion. That's what you do when children are involved. He would help without me having to force him to do so.we're not all spiteful.
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And wrong again. The house gets to go to whoever is caring for the children. So either 1. You would stay in the house while "he" paid for it all even after he is gone. or 2. The house is sold and the money is split depending on how the courts decide. Time to wake up fro fairy tale land.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66858594


It is just not his house since if she is taking care of it and the children. It would be the same if she were working outside the home and he was the taking care of the home and children. The house belongs to both of them no matter who is bringing in the money. Many women these days are paying alimony and child support to their ex's. So the tide is turning as more women are the bread winners and the husbands choose to stay at home.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


Believe it or not, it is not always a battle to separate when children are involved. The husband and wives CAN agree to how they feel the best way to proceed is, and there are many instances when child support is not even involved. Some people are actually mature enough to know that the children's best interests are most important, and they don't care about the rest. I would never try to get child support from him, because he would help provide for his children happily, because he loves them. The main problem with divorce is that people become angry and bitter and want to destroy the other persons life as much as possible. It's sad.
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If we divorced he would keep the house and I would get custody of our children. Like I said things aren't always great but if it came to that we would deal with it in a mature fashion. That's what you do when children are involved. He would help without me having to force him to do so.we're not all spiteful.
 Quoting: DontBeSuchAGiantWeiner


And wrong again. The house gets to go to whoever is caring for the children. So either 1. You would stay in the house while "he" paid for it all even after he is gone. or 2. The house is sold and the money is split depending on how the courts decide. Time to wake up fro fairy tale land.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66858594


It is just not his house since if she is taking care of it and the children. It would be the same if she were working outside the home and he was the taking care of the home and children. The house belongs to both of them no matter who is bringing in the money. Many women these days are paying alimony and child support to their ex's. So the tide is turning as more women are the bread winners and the husbands choose to stay at home.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123

bsflag

Tell that to the many many men still paying the bills while she moves in her thug boyfriend. Plus she is telling their children what a horrible person he is and uses the heavy handed court system to remove any and all visitation rights. So at the end of the day they are nothing more than money hungry child abusing skanks. I wouldn't take one minute out of my day to piss on a woman if she was on fire. They brought this on themselves.
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Like I said there are problems everywhere. I know a guy who left his wife and two small boys to run off with his secretary. The wife and children went from living in a nice house/pool on a lake to barely making it in a low rent apartment. These were two nice people but I saw problems on both sides. Anyway, the wife did not make out like a bandit. She wasn't money hungry anyway but a good(for the most part) wife and mother. So not all men get taken to the cleaners and not all women get to live the high life.

So when I hear stories I like to look at both sides. And it is usually not just one person that is to blame but both. By looking at my friend you would think she was the innocent party but she was neglectful of her husband in subtle ways. Not major ones. And so one day he runs off. They should have gone to counseling but sometimes one person just snaps.

That could be the problem with your friend and the wife who moved her boyfriend into the house. You just don't know the real inner workings of that marriage and how people can snap. And your friend has some level of blame just like my friend did. And she paid dearly and I wasn't surprised nor even mad at the husband. Just disgusted at both of them. But I knew they would both eventually suffer for it all. Especially the kids. They really got a raw deal.

So don't get married unless you want to work really hard. Because marriage is very hard work with lots of forgiveness added in. It can be the most wonderful thing in the world or the worst nightmare ever. I know though that if my marriage failed I would in part to be to blame because if you neglect a mate for too long they will leave. And sometimes in a very big way.
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If we divorced he would keep the house and I would get custody of our children. Like I said things aren't always great but if it came to that we would deal with it in a mature fashion. That's what you do when children are involved. He would help without me having to force him to do so.we're not all spiteful.
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And wrong again. The house gets to go to whoever is caring for the children. So either 1. You would stay in the house while "he" paid for it all even after he is gone. or 2. The house is sold and the money is split depending on how the courts decide. Time to wake up fro fairy tale land.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66858594


It is just not his house since if she is taking care of it and the children. It would be the same if she were working outside the home and he was the taking care of the home and children. The house belongs to both of them no matter who is bringing in the money. Many women these days are paying alimony and child support to their ex's. So the tide is turning as more women are the bread winners and the husbands choose to stay at home.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


Believe it or not, it is not always a battle to separate when children are involved. The husband and wives CAN agree to how they feel the best way to proceed is, and there are many instances when child support is not even involved. Some people are actually mature enough to know that the children's best interests are most important, and they don't care about the rest. I would never try to get child support from him, because he would help provide for his children happily, because he loves them. The main problem with divorce is that people become angry and bitter and want to destroy the other persons life as much as possible. It's sad.
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Yes, people get angry. Especially when cheating is involved. And you think you would play nice but sometimes nice goes out the window when the mate has been unfaithful. Then the other mate just wants to go for the jugular. Human nature at its best.<sarcasm> Just think of the worst case scenario and how you would act. If you think you would be civil if your husband left you for another woman then maybe you would. Most people just don't do that unfortunately and the children get drug through it all. There parents just become mean little children. People who act like real adults are just not the norm anymore.
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it is simply a bad financial decision.

not to mention the fact that most people are fucking psychos one way or another (myself included).

what is the difference between just saying youre "married" and living together, than going to the courthouse to sign papers?

having recently broken off an engagement i can honestly say it was the best fucking decision i have made for a while.

we weren't even married and she tried to clean me out. took the stove, refrigerator, and the fucking washer. now i have to go to someones house or the laundromat to wash clothes. AND SHE ALREADY HAD A FUCKING WASHER SHE JUST SOLD IT TO A FRIEND. /rant
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Yeah, there is simply no chance in hell that I'll get married again.

Fool me once, shame on me...
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The difference is spiritual. Marriage in a church before God is a necessary sacrament so that the union is pure in God's eyes. Anything outside of this is living in sin.
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well thats just like, your opinion, man.
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No retard, he was telling you where marriage comes from as well as the reason for it existing. If you dont believe in marriage and the reasoning behind it then why even bother doing it. Unless a person believes in God, there is no real reason to get married - unless you want the whole "show" of getting married of course.
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it is simply a bad financial decision.

not to mention the fact that most people are fucking psychos one way or another (myself included).

what is the difference between just saying youre "married" and living together, than going to the courthouse to sign papers?

having recently broken off an engagement i can honestly say it was the best fucking decision i have made for a while.

we weren't even married and she tried to clean me out. took the stove, refrigerator, and the fucking washer. now i have to go to someones house or the laundromat to wash clothes. AND SHE ALREADY HAD A FUCKING WASHER SHE JUST SOLD IT TO A FRIEND. /rant
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Yeah, there is simply no chance in hell that I'll get married again.

Fool me once, shame on me...
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I know a guy that was thinking about getting married a second time. He was scared to death because of how the first one turned out. So he took him and his girlfriend to marriage counseling before they got married to make sure they were on the same page. And the counselor would be able to sport trouble as well. It worked for them. They have been happily married for over 15 years. So maybe if you do meet a woman who you really like and want to take it further then take you both to counseling first. You will learn a lot.
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If she really loves you, she'd agree to a 'pre-nup'.
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Given the times we're living in, a pre-nup is just wise to hold a PRIVATE notarized agreement between just you two.
That protects your relationship from interference from the courts (to what extent I don't know for sure).

You never know what you've got in a marriage or union until it hits a rough patch or you decide to split.
That is when the monster emerges from the closet and think this person's character is one completely different.

I think men want marriage but it's a minefield for them.
Were I a man I would be terrified to marry even though I want a family..all that can be taken away at the first bump in the road instead of working things through as more couples once did.
The environment is more hostile.
There is extraordinary pressure on unions with children with job market and employers completely unpredictable and disloyal to employees.
Unless you can create your own gig and work well together.

I don't wish to marry again.
Walked away no child support because I knew it would be a source of ongoing vengeance and games. I just don't have the makeup to withstand punitive people effecting my children. It was the right decision that I haven't regretted for a second.

Another thing worth a mention. How about people wanting to hook up and be too fast with a life insurance thing on you.
A guy a few months ago wanted in my life just a little too quick..you know about a "vibe" like that.
Nah.
I have to instinctively trust someone before he gets into my life, takes his time .. I just know.
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We should just have contracts that expire and then you have to renew them over time
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It may be true that in our society marriage has lost it's meaning, but that doesn't mean it has no meaning in every human culture.

The question we have to ask is what will our society be like if we toss out all the laws that provide benefits to couples that decide to unite in matrimony.

Roll that forward ten or twenty years.

What will the picture be then?
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I don't now any people like on this forum who constantly complain here. It seems as though I am living in a different world.
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U need to tell the fags how bad marriage is so they will stop demanding wedding cakes be made for them!
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in all seriousness, why not just live together and make a commitment to each other? its much less of a mistake than legally binding half your shit to another person.
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there is no more of a commitment then a legally binding.
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It may be true that in our society marriage has lost it's meaning, but that doesn't mean it has no meaning in every human culture.

The question we have to ask is what will our society be like if we toss out all the laws that provide benefits to couples that decide to unite in matrimony.

Roll that forward ten or twenty years.

What will the picture be then?
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I think marriage is still deeply meaningful and intimate.

That's what marriage is for. YOu help one another in life.

In a prenup you can still agree to help each other under particular eventualities beforehand.
So that means a couple has to maybe see someone that can ask the right questions couples need to consider under certain circumstances.

You can still have benefits of marriage in common law, you can still marry but with an agreement that protects you both from the courts and pressures of society.
One that protects children as well.
Because societal influences each person, married couple, children in ways that I think REQUIRES careful considerate agreement.
You're always gonna get "Whatever you wanna do Luanne, I'll do anything for you" and end up completely screwed.

Marriage is still meaningful, it's surviving under so many crazy pressures that have to be addressed.

Always always, when you're two you're going to have all sorts of fantastic times and times when you might face the other going to pieces in turns, like alcohol, drugs, violence, mental breakdowns, health crisis, inlaws and so on.
People can and do work through things like that all the time. So I'm not talking about bailing just because things are hard.

These times we're in beg us to find new ways of compassionately dealing with life events.

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As a female I would not have taken myself off the market in my prime to commit to one man who had no financial stake in the game in the event his ass decided to leave me, especially once I was past my prime. State sanctioned marriage at least gives women some protection. I sure as hell would not have had children with him without him having a financial stake in the game when it came to not only our children but also me.

We both agree that putting children in daycare is the equivalent of putting kids on orphanages. There are tons of studies out there showing just how damaging daycare is to children under the age of 4 (after 4 it's not nearly as damaging) but it's suppressed since this would destroy the commie agenda in this county to destroy the traditional family unit which helps to get babies away from their mothers as soon as possible and into day orphanages. Anyway, we both knew we wanted kids and we agreed that I should stay home and raise them, all the way though their teen years, and that going back to work after they are in college would be fine if I wanted to. I made a decent living before I married buy my husband is a 1% earner.

He put his money where is mouth is and had a prenup drawn up that heavily favors me. There are consequences if I cheat on him but I still would not be left with nothing. His attitude is that if you treat your woman right no other men will have a chance. He's right. Too many men ignore their women at the least and treat them like shit at the most and then wonder why they get cheated on (same applies to women when it comes to their men by the way.) Anyway, he is free to leave and trade me in for a younger model but he will be paying out the ass in monthly payments to support me well after the child support would stop until he dies and I still have a claim to an X% of his total estate at the time of his divorce regardless of how long we would have been divorced by that point and regardless if he is remarried or not. This was his choice to have the prenup written this way but honestly I would not have married a man and taken myself off the market in my prime had he not been okay with an arrangement like this.

Too many men are pussified these days and they don't want to be the head of the household and man up. Had I not met a man the caliber of my husband I would have just stayed single.

We have been married for over 10 years now and have two children .
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What do you mean by that? Be specific, what you think manning up is as you put it.. Give me every gorey detail you think the man should be doing, then right beneath it, give me the role of the women in specific detail..

I already know your answers but I wanna see what you have to say.. And I want you to tell me exactly what you husband does that makes him the man for you.. Plz be specific so the rest of us pussy beta's can know and learn from.
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U need to tell the fags how bad marriage is so they will stop demanding wedding cakes be made for them!
 Quoting: No World Order

in all seriousness, why not just live together and make a commitment to each other? its much less of a mistake than legally binding half your shit to another person.
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The government won't let men opt out that easily. Many places, among them parts of Canada, decreed that people that live together for certain lengths of time have all the 'benefits' and obligations of married couples. Gotta feed that family courts system, you know. I believe Australia made it so, sometime in the past 5 years.
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Oaklahoma took itself out of the marriage business. Which is good, because the government has no business in marriage. Marriage in a ancient custom really designed to protect women and children. It affirms men ownership of women and allows women to have some authority in making purchases or other minor business dealings for men and their children together.

It use to be beneficial for men, however now a days it may be more of a burden if sincere love is not running in both directions. I can see how men would not want to be married , since the roles have equalized more. Old state laws in some states make getting a divorce unequal to men.

Here is Texas their is no alimony, so women when they divorce here the love is truly lost and it is an unlivable situation. No profit in divorce for ladies in Texas. The law is designed to keep couples together.

So it is property issues , which get split 50%, 50%, and the other issue is child support. That is where the war is during a divorce in Texas. The courts have formula worked out, so unless their is abuse, the rates for child care are pretty fixed according to income. Down side is though usually during a divorce in Texas, men do all they can to earn as little as possible during the divorce, so they are not paying their real fair share of child support. Lawyer seem to be Ok with the arrangement, since they have to go to court a lot to fight about child support throughout the years the kids are growing up.
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As a female I would not have taken myself off the market in my prime to commit to one man who had no financial stake in the game in the event his ass decided to leave me, especially once I was past my prime. State sanctioned marriage at least gives women some protection. I sure as hell would not have had children with him without him having a financial stake in the game when it came to not only our children but also me.

We both agree that putting children in daycare is the equivalent of putting kids on orphanages. There are tons of studies out there showing just how damaging daycare is to children under the age of 4 (after 4 it's not nearly as damaging) but it's suppressed since this would destroy the commie agenda in this county to destroy the traditional family unit which helps to get babies away from their mothers as soon as possible and into day orphanages. Anyway, we both knew we wanted kids and we agreed that I should stay home and raise them, all the way though their teen years, and that going back to work after they are in college would be fine if I wanted to. I made a decent living before I married buy my husband is a 1% earner.

He put his money where is mouth is and had a prenup drawn up that heavily favors me. There are consequences if I cheat on him but I still would not be left with nothing. His attitude is that if you treat your woman right no other men will have a chance. He's right. Too many men ignore their women at the least and treat them like shit at the most and then wonder why they get cheated on (same applies to women when it comes to their men by the way.) Anyway, he is free to leave and trade me in for a younger model but he will be paying out the ass in monthly payments to support me well after the child support would stop until he dies and I still have a claim to an X% of his total estate at the time of his divorce regardless of how long we would have been divorced by that point and regardless if he is remarried or not. This was his choice to have the prenup written this way but honestly I would not have married a man and taken myself off the market in my prime had he not been okay with an arrangement like this.

Too many men are pussified these days and they don't want to be the head of the household and man up. Had I not met a man the caliber of my husband I would have just stayed single.

We have been married for over 10 years now and have two children .
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What do you mean by that? Be specific, what you think manning up is as you put it.. Give me every gorey detail you think the man should be doing, then right beneath it, give me the role of the women in specific detail..

I already know your answers but I wanna see what you have to say.. And I want you to tell me exactly what you husband does that makes him the man for you.. Plz be specific so the rest of us pussy beta's can know and learn from.
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man up was her husband creating a prenup that HEAVILY FAVORED HER. she calls other men pussified but apparently makin a prenup that fucks yourself is "manning up". yup...gold digging whore livin it up cause she waited for a pussy boy with money. hopefully he has the money and means to be sneaky enough to fuck all the side strange he can.


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Re: marriage is outdated
Prenup? What a joke... men it's just buttering up lawyers with your cash before she gets the scent of divorce.

Men marrying today can't really ask for sympathy when cupcake uses the many incentives available to rob him of his right to fatherhood, his dignity, and or his resources.
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04/02/2015 07:32 AM
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Re: marriage is outdated
Marriage is outdated only in a civilization, that is fully ripe to be destroyed in the fire of God's wrath!

Over the next 7 Years this wicked and sexually corrupt civilization will passes away!

It will be replaced by a new one!

Then, marriage, will once again be esteemed as a sacred institution.





GLP