Trinitarian inconsistency. No one knows the Father except the Son

You you seem to be ignoring the fact that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father, like Jesus said. Why?

There is only one sin that is unforgivable, I would caution against it my friend.

1 John 5

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.



If this is some cultist creed to you, so be it. I will take the Word of God over the word of man any day.

No, where am I ignoring it? I'm confused. Why would I do that? I'm not a trinitarian so I don't need to ignore that parts of the Bible I don't like.

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Wow, bearing record makes you God. Yikes! I didn't even know that. Do you have any other vese affirming that bearing record makes you God? Man, that would be problematic if you can post a follow-up verse showing that bearing record makes a person God.

Oh, wait, you don't have to, because you're quoting a forgery.



A forgery that don't even say what you claim it does. Not a good look...

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You atheists are so retarded. No one can prove to you God and Jesus and the Holy Ghost are genuine..except yourself. You only have to ask Jesus to save you sincerely and then the Holy Spirit literally is sent to indwell; inhabit your physical body. This repairs the separation caused by the fall of man; adam and eve. We are given the holy spirit as a promise of what is to come. When the end comes those with the holy spirit already in them will receive the fullness of Christ, if they have made themselves ready. With the fullness each one will be as Jesus was when He walked the earth in his ministry and as Jesus said, if you have seen me, you have seen the father, so will these people be able to say that and go forth doing great exploits, miracles during the tribulation to prove to them that Jesus is real and they need to get saved before the very end or then it will be too late. Some of you will scoff. Too bad for you.

Are you adressing me? I'm not an atheist. Obviously.

Let's compare notes.

Hear, O Israel: YHWH our God is one Lord: Deuteronomy 6:4

In heaven, my friend.

A forgery? Really?

No, you don't seem to be an atheist but I can't understand how you could possibly have a problem with the concept of the trinity, its not complicated. Have you been indwelt with the person of God by asking Him to send you the power of the Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus? That is the only proper way to learn the truth because His spirit...that is physically inside your body....talks with your spirit....then you know and understand what to do, to believe and truths are revealed to you. So yeah, there are three and some people call it the trinity. So what? Get with the program and ask for it. God is waiting.

Yes, and we shall not have any gods before Him.

Let us go back even further, to Genesis 1:

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.


Now back to John (is this a forgery too?)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.



Any forgeries in what I posted?

There is more than a misunderstanding here.

Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

Yes, friend, in heaven, where the angels resides, where Elijah was caught up. A forgery indeed:

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Another popular interpolation:

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MT 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


OP, those 'jots' include 1 John. So not only are you seemingly blaspheming the Holy Spirit, but you are blaspheming the very Word of God. Please spare us, and go back to the Scripture. God bless.

The problem with the trinity is it is a false man-made doctrine full of contraditions and holes invented in the 4th century after Jesus earthly ministry. It's not biblical. You woill probably even deny being a polytheist if I ask you, that's how full of hypocrisy that doctrine is.

Hear, O Israel: YHWH our God is one Lord: Deuteronomy 6:4

Rofl. The Law is the Torah. The NT wasn't even written, compiled or canonized. And what about 1 John?

What will your testimony be for denying that YHWH alone is the Most High God? Let's compare notes.

My God is the Father alone.

Jesus God was the Father alone.

Thread: Trinitarians: How can you follow Jesus if...

Are you guys calling Jesus a "heretic"? Seems I'm the one following Jesus and you're not. Why don't you have the same God as Jesus?

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The trinity is a false Roman idol. It's time to give it up for your own sakes. No idolaters will enter the kingdom.

the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ Rom 15:6

the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ 2 Cor 1:3

the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ 2 Cor 11:31

the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ Ehp 1:3

the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ Eph 1:17

the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ Col 1:3

the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ 1 Pet 1:3

Does not compute

I do not deny it.

There are three distinct persons revealed in the Bible.

God the Father YHWH is but one.

There is also God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

Now, you will say but that is three Gods!!!

And I will say not if they each share the same nature.

You see, something can be one and three at the same time.

Three persons each having the same nature it's not that difficult of a concept to grasp.

1+1+1=3 Persons
1x1x1=1 Divine nature

only God can satisfy the requirements of the law and never a lesser being.

You have what Paul calls a different Jesus.

I have said my peace. Carry on with your agenda.

A lot of word, zero scripture. God the Son and God the Holy spirit? How come those phrases aren't found in the Bible then, but only in the 5h century Athanasian Creed (athor unknown)?

The word polytheism has nothing to do with nature. Poly = many (as in more than one). Theos = God. Three Gods = polytheism. Say they share one nature, how does that make them numerically one? They are distict persons, remember? That's the basis of the trinity doctrine. No confounding the persons.

Why would you even deny it's polytheism? Don't you get it? You're only incriminating yourself by doing so. It admission of guilt since you're acknowledging the fact that the Bible teaches a God that is numerically one. You claim it's one only in unity with the left hand, then with the right hand you're paying lip-service to numerical oneness. It's a fallacious attempt to cover all bases.

You acknowledge that the Father is YHWH. That's unfortunate for you.

Hear, O Israel: YHWH our God is one Lord: Deuteronomy 6:4

"I am YHWH your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. "You shall have no other gods before me. Exodus 20:2-3

"I am YHWH, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God." Isaiah 45:5

Surely, God is with you, and there is none else, No other God." Isaiah 45:14

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No. You have a different Jesus.

Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. 1 Corinthians 8:6



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Yes, the three are one, no hypocrisy here. you have a body, a soul and a spirit. you are one person.

You're preaching preaching a different gospel.

In the time of Herod king of Judea there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah; his wife Elizabeth was also a descendant of Aaron. Both of them were righteous in the sight of God, observing all the Lord's commands and decrees blamelessly.
Luke 1:5-6

One what? In unity? In agreement? In nature? In sustance? That would still make it three persons in unity. Three Gods. Polytheism. But God is one in person:

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God: One Soul

The Hebrews and Greeks did indeed have a word for a person. It is the word we most often see translated as "soul." When the Bible talks about souls it is a reference to persons. For example, Peter says eight souls were saved through water he means eight persons were saved through water. When Luke writes that three thousand souls were saved he means three thousand persons were saved.

The Bible indicates God is a soul. He is a person.

Old Testament - Hebrew: nephesh

And I [Yahweh] will raise up for myself a faithful priest, who shall do according to what is in My heart and in My soul. (1 Samuel 2:35).

Yahweh tests the righteous and the wicked, and His soul hates him that loves violence. (Psalm 11:5).

There are six things which Yahweh hates, seven which are an abomination to His soul. (Proverbs 6:16).

[Yahweh]: Your new moons and your scheduled feasts My soul hated. (Isaiah 1:14).

(less than 50%)

And even more important. Jesus is not YHWH.

[Yahweh]: Behold, My servant-son, whom I uphold, My chosen one in whom My soul approves.

Ops!

"I am YHWH your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. "You shall have no other gods before me. Exodus 20:2-3

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And it's not the polytheism in itself that makes it hypocrisy. It's denying the polytheism while at the same time claimg the Bible teaching one in unity and not one in number. If you were true to your own testimony there would be no incentive what so ever to deny polytheism. Yet you do. Why? I know why, do you?

Read your own post. You're calling the Holy Spirit a man...

fukd in the head

No, I'm not, but you're desperately grasping at straws. So Jesus is calling the Father a man and the Son a man? Because that would be the implication of your claim. Perhaps you'd prefer another translation?

All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son desires to reveal Him.

Care to give it a try now?