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Newtons riddle and possible 2nd stage of return of Elijah 2015

 
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You do understand that is a metaphor and that Elijah will not be actually returning right? He is dead and in the grave just like everyone else awaiting the resurrection of the dead.
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No I believe there will be two witnesses in the end and as we read in malachi Elijah will be here before "the great and terrible day of the lord"


Malachi 4:

5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Notice one of the two witnesses is described as doing the exact same thing Elijah did(no rain) in the following verses:


Who are the two olive trees in Rev 11 and Zechariah 4?..the two anointed(the two witnesses)

Revelation 11:

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.


Zechariah 4:

11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?

12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.



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Ah then you do error just as practically ALL of christendom has.

The book of Revelation is almost entirely comprised of allegories, types, figures, shadows, similes, parables, metaphors, diminutives, etc. and is actually a summary of the time period from before creation through this age and on into the next age/ages to come.

Very little of it is to taken literally and very little of it concerns the end time events of this age.
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Sit back....grab some popcorn....the show will begin September 23 2015(day of atonement).......your mind will soon change!


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You do understand that is a metaphor and that Elijah will not be actually returning right? He is dead and in the grave just like everyone else awaiting the resurrection of the dead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68538559


No I believe there will be two witnesses in the end and as we read in malachi Elijah will be here before "the great and terrible day of the lord"


Malachi 4:

5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Notice one of the two witnesses is described as doing the exact same thing Elijah did(no rain) in the following verses:


Who are the two olive trees in Rev 11 and Zechariah 4?..the two anointed(the two witnesses)

Revelation 11:

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.


Zechariah 4:

11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?

12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.



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 Quoting: waterman


Ah then you do error just as practically ALL of christendom has.

The book of Revelation is almost entirely comprised of allegories, types, figures, shadows, similes, parables, metaphors, diminutives, etc. and is actually a summary of the time period from before creation through this age and on into the next age/ages to come.

Very little of it is to taken literally and very little of it concerns the end time events of this age.
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Sit back....grab some popcorn....the show will begin September 23 2015(day of atonement).......your mind will soon change!


coffee4popcorn
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Since none of that is scriptural I can boldly state:

I predict your prediction will fail just like the 10's of thousands before yours have.
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No I believe there will be two witnesses in the end and as we read in malachi Elijah will be here before "the great and terrible day of the lord"


Malachi 4:

5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Notice one of the two witnesses is described as doing the exact same thing Elijah did(no rain) in the following verses:


Who are the two olive trees in Rev 11 and Zechariah 4?..the two anointed(the two witnesses)

Revelation 11:

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.


Zechariah 4:

11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?

12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.



olivetreescandlestickselijahtheprophet
 Quoting: waterman


Ah then you do error just as practically ALL of christendom has.

The book of Revelation is almost entirely comprised of allegories, types, figures, shadows, similes, parables, metaphors, diminutives, etc. and is actually a summary of the time period from before creation through this age and on into the next age/ages to come.

Very little of it is to taken literally and very little of it concerns the end time events of this age.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69045539


Sit back....grab some popcorn....the show will begin September 23 2015(day of atonement).......your mind will soon change!


coffee4popcorn
 Quoting: waterman


Since none of that is scriptural I can boldly state:

I predict your prediction will fail just like the 10's of thousands before yours have.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68940182


You only have 149 days to find out!...lol


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Ah then you do error just as practically ALL of christendom has.

The book of Revelation is almost entirely comprised of allegories, types, figures, shadows, similes, parables, metaphors, diminutives, etc. and is actually a summary of the time period from before creation through this age and on into the next age/ages to come.

Very little of it is to taken literally and very little of it concerns the end time events of this age.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69045539


Sit back....grab some popcorn....the show will begin September 23 2015(day of atonement).......your mind will soon change!


coffee4popcorn
 Quoting: waterman


Since none of that is scriptural I can boldly state:

I predict your prediction will fail just like the 10's of thousands before yours have.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68940182


You only have 149 days to find out!...lol


[link to www.timeanddate.com]
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As do you. lmao

FYI EVERY single prediction like this has failed in the past and EVERY single one of them thought theirs would come to fruition. They did not just like yours will not.
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Sit back....grab some popcorn....the show will begin September 23 2015(day of atonement).......your mind will soon change!


coffee4popcorn
 Quoting: waterman


Since none of that is scriptural I can boldly state:

I predict your prediction will fail just like the 10's of thousands before yours have.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68940182


You only have 149 days to find out!...lol


[link to www.timeanddate.com]
 Quoting: waterman


As do you. lmao

FYI EVERY single prediction like this has failed in the past and EVERY single one of them thought theirs would come to fruition. They did not just like yours will not.
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Well thanks for the encouragement...we should be best friends or something...lol

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Since none of that is scriptural I can boldly state:

I predict your prediction will fail just like the 10's of thousands before yours have.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68940182


You only have 149 days to find out!...lol


[link to www.timeanddate.com]
 Quoting: waterman


As do you. lmao

FYI EVERY single prediction like this has failed in the past and EVERY single one of them thought theirs would come to fruition. They did not just like yours will not.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69045904


Well thanks for the encouragement...we should be best friends or something...lol

blackeye
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Obviously I am most certainly NOT encouraging you or ANYONE to ever make such foolish predictions. In fact quite the opposite. I only ask this of all predictors.

When (not if) your prediction fails, please cease from making any more unscriptural predictions as it does nothing but only serves to make a mockery of God's Word.
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You only have 149 days to find out!...lol


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 Quoting: waterman


As do you. lmao

FYI EVERY single prediction like this has failed in the past and EVERY single one of them thought theirs would come to fruition. They did not just like yours will not.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69045904


Well thanks for the encouragement...we should be best friends or something...lol

blackeye
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Obviously I am most certainly NOT encouraging you or ANYONE to ever make such foolish predictions. In fact quite the opposite. I only ask this of all predictors.

When (not if) your prediction fails, please cease from making any more unscriptural predictions as it does nothing but only serves to make a mockery of God's Word.
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Thanks for visiting my threads...Hopefully you were able to read some of it. I wouldn't let it worry you a bit...more than likely I'm just a big dreamer...lol

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As do you. lmao

FYI EVERY single prediction like this has failed in the past and EVERY single one of them thought theirs would come to fruition. They did not just like yours will not.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69045904


Well thanks for the encouragement...we should be best friends or something...lol

blackeye
 Quoting: waterman


Obviously I am most certainly NOT encouraging you or ANYONE to ever make such foolish predictions. In fact quite the opposite. I only ask this of all predictors.

When (not if) your prediction fails, please cease from making any more unscriptural predictions as it does nothing but only serves to make a mockery of God's Word.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67459439


Thanks for visiting my threads...Hopefully you were able to read some of it. I wouldn't let it worry you a bit...more than likely I'm just a big dreamer...lol

:josethedreamer:
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I am NEVER worried about those who make such predictions nor do these types of predictions worry me in the least. I only post these remarks for the benefit of those who may actually fall for such nonsense in hopes that they might actually come to their senses.

Does Harold Camping ring a bell? I personally know a family who was devastated by his heretical eow predictions and will most likely never recover from it in this age. I loathe those who think they are getting messages directly from God or worse, have the audacity to think they know more than the Son of God Himself.

BTW Camping backed all his nonsense up with scriptures and books and pamplets and charts and numbers, etc. If still alive today I have no doubt he'd be using youtube videos as well to try and justify his next end of world date.
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Well thanks for the encouragement...we should be best friends or something...lol

blackeye
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Obviously I am most certainly NOT encouraging you or ANYONE to ever make such foolish predictions. In fact quite the opposite. I only ask this of all predictors.

When (not if) your prediction fails, please cease from making any more unscriptural predictions as it does nothing but only serves to make a mockery of God's Word.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67459439


Thanks for visiting my threads...Hopefully you were able to read some of it. I wouldn't let it worry you a bit...more than likely I'm just a big dreamer...lol

josethedreamer
 Quoting: waterman


I am NEVER worried about those who make such predictions nor do these types of predictions worry me in the least. I only post these remarks for the benefit of those who may actually fall for such nonsense in hopes that they might actually come to their senses.

Does Harold Camping ring a bell? I personally know a family who was devastated by his heretical eow predictions and will most likely never recover from it in this age. I loathe those who think they are getting messages directly from God or worse, have the audacity to think they know more than the Son of God Himself.

BTW Camping backed all his nonsense up with scriptures and books and pamplets and charts and numbers, etc. If still alive today I have no doubt he'd be using youtube videos as well to try and justify his next end of world date.
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September 23 2015...watch for the greatly disfigured man who will walk onto the world stage with a message of repentance and destruction that is coming!:

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A Hebrew Day is from sunset to sunset..

So the Jews would count September 22 at sunset until September 23 sunset as one day..
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What we are looking for is the day of atonement and it is the only jewish holiday that lasts 25 hours.
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Hummm, their days vary from sunset to sunset.
Sunset 9/22/15 to sunset 9/23/15 is less than 24 hours..
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A Hebrew Day is from sunset to sunset..

So the Jews would count September 22 at sunset until September 23 sunset as one day..
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What we are looking for is the day of atonement and it is the only jewish holiday that lasts 25 hours.
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Hummm, their days vary from sunset to sunset.
Sunset 9/22/15 to sunset 9/23/15 is less than 24 hours..
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The day of atonement lasts 25 hours

It is a complete, 25-hour fast beginning before sunset on the evening before Yom Kippur and ending after nightfall on the day of Yom Kippur.
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A Hebrew Day is from sunset to sunset..

So the Jews would count September 22 at sunset until September 23 sunset as one day..
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What we are looking for is the day of atonement and it is the only jewish holiday that lasts 25 hours.
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Hummm, their days vary from sunset to sunset.
Sunset 9/22/15 to sunset 9/23/15 is less than 24 hours..
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The day of atonement lasts 25 hours

It is a complete, 25-hour fast beginning before sunset on the evening before Yom Kippur and ending after nightfall on the day of Yom Kippur.
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Oh I see what you mean.
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WHEN YOU DIVIDE AN ISRAEL IT PRODUCES A JACOB AND THAT JACOB BECOMES AN ISRAEL ALSO:



Two Israels:

dividedkingdom



Two Israels:

adameveside1



Two Israels:

thetwotwo2



Two Israels:

2become1


If you have 2 Israels the capital being Jerusalem...the 2nd Israels capital is Washington D.C...there fore when you see Washington D.C surrounded by armies know that its desolation is near!:

Luke 21:20:

Parallel Verses
New International Version
"When you see Jerusalem(Washington D.C) being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near.

New Living Translation
"And when you see Jerusalem (Washington D.C) surrounded by armies, then you will know that the time of its destruction has arrived.

English Standard Version
“But when you see Jerusalem (Washington D.C)surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near.

New American Standard Bible
"But when you see Jerusalem(Washington D.C) surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near.

King James Bible
And when ye shall see Jerusalem(Washington D.C) compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
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To be the elijah/messiah ben joseph the rabbis say he would have come forth in 2012 in a way that is unholy to jews (internet).....this elijah/messiah ben joseph will not know himself he is elijah to begin with.....he will initiate union with the other witness during this time(which will be unsuccessful)...Elijah/ben joseph comes in two stages.....the 1st stage he only reveals himself to a few people....the 2nd stage he is revealed to the whole world.....2nd stage begins september 23 2015



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The division of the Jacob(birthright) and Israel(scepter) blessing

pink = messiah ben joseph(Ephraim)

blue = messiah ben david(Judah)





Isaiah 44:5

Viewing the King James Version. Click to switch to 1611 King James Version of Isaiah 44:5.

One shall say, I am the LORD'S; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the LORD, and surname himself by the name of Israel.


I know it's true because I see it happening!:


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witness 1 = violet
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Numbers 24:17:

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I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.








But, the Teacher of Righteousness does not take part in the end of days himself. Instead, he prepares the way for the eschatological messiahs. He sets the standard for interpretation of scripture which the Priestly Messiah, who takes the Teacher’s place in interpretation of the Law, relies on at the end of days. The following passage will first help the reader understand the messianic expectation of the community:

The king is the congregation; and the bases of the statutes are the Books of the Prophets whose saying Israel despised. The star is the Interpreter of the Law who shall come to Damascus; as it is written, A star shall come forth out of Jacob and a scepter shall rise out of Israel (Num xxiv, 17). The scepter is the Prince of the whole congregation and when he comes he shall smite all the children of Seth (Num. xxiv, 17). [CD VII, 15-20]

Here, two messiahs emerge at the end of days: the Interpreter of the law, or Priest-Messiah, and the Prince of the whole congregation, the Davidic Messiah.47 These figures are also referred to throughout the DSS as the messiahs of Aaron and Israel. They are not equal counter-parts: the Priest-Messiah has precedence over the Davidic Messiah in all legal matters: ‘As they teach him so shall he judge’.48 This precedence can be seen in passages from the community rule; ‘When the table has been prepared for eating, and the new wine for drinking, the Priest shall be the first to stretch out his hand to bless the first-fruits of the bread and new wine.’49

Here, the Messiah of Aaron takes precedence because he is the eschatological high priest who teaches righteousness at the end of days.50 Although the Prince of the Congregation presides over the battle liturgy (1 QM XV, 4; XVI, 13; XVIII) and the eschatological banquet (1 QSa II, 12-21),51 the Messiah of Aaron is more important for understanding the Teacher of Righteousness because he is the one who continues the Teacher’s message. The arrival of the Messiahs Aaron and Israel marks the eschatological turning point; once they arrive, the Messiah of Aaron interprets the Law.52 His legacy in the community is the basic interpretation of the Law that functions at the end of days.


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