This may sound like a strange question, but what really are numbers? Are they more than just counting symbols?

One is no more than one, how one could be more than one?

9 plus 1 plus 1 equal 11

WTC looked like 11

Just because you come up with something that you think is 'deep', doesn't mean that it is.

If Atoms are just a vibration or vibrating off each other. Then maybe the vibration comes from a source or is vibrating off something. The Original atom or God.

3,5,5,3,3,5,5

Makes up a good beat as well.

As other posters have stated, numbers can be used to describe the world around us with more precision than words but they are still only symbols. Like all language, there is a limit to what can be expressed through math. Don't confuse the map with the territory...the map can never completely describe the territory in all it's fullness.

I haven't read all the posts, so excuse me if I'm repeating anybody else s,

Pythagoras knew what you seemed to have intuited, that numbers rule the universe, his secret religion that exists to this day maintain that numbers ARE the universe.

An obscure statement to the unenlightened, let me put it this way, they describe numbers to be more than just abstract symbols on a piece of paper (or papyrus in Pythagoras's day, lol) but exist as actual entities, primarily (as ALL things are primarily) in the dimensionless domain (of mind) as 'energy containers.'

Pythagorean Illuminism, the religion of the Illuminati, formally began with the ancient Greek mystic and mathematician Pythagoras and is the world's only "Logos" religion i.e. a rational religion founded on reason, mathematics, science and philosophy. It has no connection with "Mythos" religions such as Judaism, Christianity and Islam which are based on faith, superstition, irrationality, stories, parables, myths, legends and "divine revelation". These religions are wholly false.

Illumination is the only true religion. It's the Grand Unified Theory of Everything, linking science, religion, psychology, philosophy and even the paranormal. It does so via the sole medium of truth and absolute knowledge: mathematics, which Pythagoras declared the arche, the fundamental substance of existence. Ontology and epistemology are finally united in the doctrine of "living mathematics". Mathematics is not a reflection or model of reality. Mathematics IS reality.

Whereas science is based on "mathematical materialism", Illumination uses Leibnizian "mathematical idealism". These are the only two possible accounts of reality. All other systems are bogus, worthless and pernicious.

In order to follow the one, true religion, you must be smart. Quite simply, the truth is not for everyone. The truth is a function of reason, not faith. All atheists, agnostics, skeptics and cynics will find a spiritual home within Illuminism. They are most welcome. "Believers" are not.

The Pythagorean Illuminati are the sworn enemies of Abrahamism (the deranged belief system that God would order fathers to kill their children), privileged elites and the infantile legions of conspiracy theorists.

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I find this very interesting so thank you op for creating this topic and bringing it to my 'attention'

for my own two cents on numbers i see 'numbers' as the form of expressing and/or defining a certain 'amount/value' of any object/living being.

Also can be seen as a universal/global form of communication which is easy to teach/understand/comprehend regardless of age or life span and cultural background/native language.

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Then again OP, you just keep making me question myself...After all did i just explain what counting is?It then makes me question "Is numbers just another form or way to say the word counting"? And now i am even questioning what a word actually is and going down the "cliche" route of questioning what the fuck the English language or rather the dictionary has done to our world.



So my last thought is now this:

I cant decide if numbers is the form of expressing and/or defining a certain 'amount/value' or if counting is the form of expressing and/or defining a certain 'amount/value'.

Because at the end i've realized COUNTING is the act of determining a value/total/amount by the use of numbers. BUT, NUMBERS to me is the form of expressing and/or defining a certain 'amount/value'.

So i want to know WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN COUNTING/TO COUNT AND NUMBERS. i think im thinking too hard and should not care as these are words, words which are meaningless. we all know actions speak louder than words.

Once again thank you OP and sorry if my novel above is totally irrelevant to yourself or what you interpret as off topic.

This is an interesting visualisation:
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Geometric theory of subparticle physics:
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Older topics about these things:
Thread: Templar Cross pattern in Prime Numbers
Thread: Prime Numbers Are Everything

Twin primes:
[link to www.primesdemystified.com]

More:
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Link to astrology:
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One night, back around 2006 or 2007, I snapped awake from a deep sleep with the words booming through my mind "NUMBERS ARE PORTALS."

You are reading too much into it and might actually be a schizophrenic. Of course crazy people don't ever think they are crazy. That's why they are crazy. Numbers really are just a way to describe what we see as a PP said. Nothing more.

Let me point you to the truth, according to my own constitution.


Numbers, as you know them, are NOT archetypal patterns. They do not hold any specific truth. Numbers are a mankind construct, created to represent a value.

For instance, 0 means nothing. 1 means something. 0, and 1 themselves can be a closed system. Either , or. Something, or nothing.

Integers represent whole numbers. 5 oranges. 13 houses. etc, etc.

Decimals represent parts of a whole.




and so on, and so forth. Now, from THESE concepts, we can take it further, and assign spiritual, practical, or dogmatic ideas to specific systems of numbers....however, once again, that is just man-made construct. It is not wisdom itself, any system designed as such is merely meant to POINT to what is. That is why your search in numerology and the other expressions was fruitless.



If you wish to find what is BEYOND numbers, that has ACTUAL objective reality (truth), outside of human construct.....I would recommend you look into sacred geometry.


It isnt 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc that holds the wisdom. These are manmade constructs.

Sacred geometry existed BEFORE man. Our entire universe is modeled on it.

There, I have pointed you to the way (the answer to your question). Let those who have ears to hear, hear.

Mathematics (numbers inclusive) not unlike science, is simply the application of our logic in the understanding this world we live in.

Yeah, so explain why a particular cursive, Arabic notation that assumes a radix of 10 is so damn special? It isn't...

yes 4133-93ae is very interesting. I wonder if the authorities will be interested?

One of the higher mathematics is called "Number Theory".

Plato believed numbers have a separate, perfect existence.

Numbers are also hard wired into our brains-not our minds, our brains-by nature. The worked out reasoning to "retro-engineer" how our brains understand the number "1" fills a two hundred page notebook with math derived logic. ( See Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" series for a brief comment on that same topic in the episode about the human brain ).

Not for reading at the beach.

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Mainstream Media play on numbers the whole time, some in serious articles other in more trivial qizzes.

Here is several examples...

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Three ships with serial numbers that reduce to the Master number "11".

136+529+138= 803 Reduce 8+0+3 = 11

1+3+6+5+2+9+1+3+8 = 38 reduced 3+8 =11

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Inside the world's strangest road race

Around 650 foreign runners took part in the annual North Korea marathon..... 6+5+0=11

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Reduce the visible numbers on the bottom left 5+3+1+5+2+6+7+3+1+7+4 = 44

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Tabloid newspaper Football numbers are a favourite...


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1+4+7+1+9 = 22

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"The Gardaí have a new fleet of cars – and they’ve taken to Facebook to show them off"

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The letter D in an Irish car registration plate represents the county of Dublin.

The letter D is also the 4th letter of the Alphabet.

1+5+1+4+6+3+6+7 = 33

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Numbers (not to be confused with their graphical representations) are beings. Through Number the Creator builds the Universe.

Beautiful visualisation, I couldn't find a better one myself.

Btw. I was turned to the prime spiraling theory through a topic here about the secret of Coral castle. Some guys proposing they unlocked the mathematical codes Ed left there, relating to prime numbers. It turned out his anti-grav machine might have involved placing magnets at specific points of a circle calculated through prime numbers, and spinning two sets of those against eachother.

My own intuition says this polarizes the spiraling yin/yang energies, each in it's own direction and creates a vortex, much like a tornado, that can negate the generation or effect of gravity on the stone below the device.

Also, if I recall correctly, some ancient preVedic schemes for building Vimanas included mercury spinning around a circular form.

One of the most interesting experiments I've read about was about a physicist exploring the gravity of spinning bodies. As I recall, he found and experimentaly proved that same physical spherical bodies when ejected from a location by the same force tend to travel a different distance if they are spinning in high frequency. This also goes to align with the spiral energy vortex theory.

Once you start following the spiral, it shows up everywhere. :)

Lots of info about numbers here! I don't really understand it yet, but IMO these guys know alot more than most

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All I'm really asking here is what Exactly did (say) Tesla mean when he said 369's were So significant.

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3^2 + 6^2 + 9^2 = 126. 126th odd integer = 251 = number of yods in lowest Tree of Life when its 19 triangles are constructed from tetractyses: [link to smphillips.8m.com] 251 = number of space-time coordinates of 10 independent points in the 26-d space-time predicted by the quantum mechanics of spinless strings. It is the number of space-time variables describing the 10 whorls (closed curves) comprising the UPA paranormally described by Annie Besant and Charles Leadbeater and proved by Dr Stephen Phillips in his four books to be the subquark state of the E8xE8 heterotic superstring.

Try this

111,111,111 x
111,111,111

the answer is a bit of a suprise

I think the more we understand and talk about numbers, their meanings and impacts across the wide spectrum of minds we have assembled on this thread, the more we as a people can move on to the next step. They have made extremely difficult to find and in general 'talk' about this unique universal language....What if our galaxy uses one number as its Higgs-bosun developmental god spark and another galaxy uses another to develop its own life from? Is there any validity to that quesiton?

quantitative labels for unknowns

I was born hard of hearing and had as a youngster alot of time in my own bubble. it was sorted when i was three yet i remember my dreams which repeated often until i was about eight. no numbers just colours and tones, iwas trapped later it progressed to colours and geometric shapes with tones and music. when i was eight the dreams freaked me out, now i look back and wonder about what that might mean.
Numbers are important and karl Munck now a very elderly man has videos on you tube that explain very slowly what the ancients knew. I have studied the sacred science that the ancients tried to preserve and they saw things quite differently to us.
There was no difference between the speed of light infinity and pi then they recognised the same identity. this is why we have 1440 minutes in a day and the speed of light in knots per second is 144000. Most important sacred sites reflect this as central. Knots have slightly changed there identity in the last few centuries so today the exact figure is 143950the difference being the way we calculate it.

Saudi Arabia has pledged $274 million in humanitarian aid for Yemen.

Reduce 2+7+4 = 13

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Missing cat turns up 128 MILES from home after going missing for five weeks and hitching a ride in a caravan

1+2+8 = 11

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Perhaps this will help you?
Thread: The 216 Golden Rectangle - A Solution to Tesla's 3 6 9?

base 10 , use your computer calculator. not numerlogy

I understand your post completely. I have face this question many times myself. But, numbers really are more than just a counting system as you keep expressing.

A good explanation on another way to view this deeper question can be seen in a post that I have include below.

Try to go back and read it again and see if that helps a little.

I hope that helps a little.

Peace