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Anonymous Coward User ID: 20436952 United States 04/23/2015 02:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just face the facts, Muricans are dumb and like being screwed by gov monopolies. Be it by gas tax, poor MPG cars that fall apart like they are made in China. |
SLC User ID: 25371136 United States 04/23/2015 02:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...yeah, I bought an ugly '92 Caprice batmobile back in the day with a five liter V8 engine to run around in. I told the salesman not to insult my intelligence when he stated it would get 30mpg. It got 32! Never before or since... I'd rather go down the river with seven studs than with a hundred shitheads. -Colonel Charlie Beckwith |
m0tivati0n_2.o User ID: 68480461 United States 04/23/2015 02:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | IMHO Quoting: m0tivati0n_2.o Its just precursor to rules and regulations that will be in place on the next generation of vehicles (full electric / Self driving). Designed to protect both the tech of the manufacturer, and billy bob dumbass who took a computer class in 1998 and thinks he can tweak the brain of a self driving car to make it go faster. got to think outside the box on this one, and think about auto tech in 1990 compared to 2010. 20 years we went from the Macintosh Portable Computer to fucking Iphones that are wallet sized computers that also makes phone calls... Yet our miles per gallon has not improved much since the 70's. Most any new regulation is about money, control or in this case both. cars don't have shit to do with the gas mileage, its what your putting in them. Since the introduction of ethanol into our gasoline, the quality is shit. And i dont know about you, but i drive a beater 1992 honda accord with 228k miles on it, back and forth from Hanover pa to baltimore everyday for work. i fill my 17 gallon tank once a week, and drive 550+miles a week, you do the math. The ethanol decreases gas milage and wears an engine faster, they don't want you driving your 92 Honda forever, they want you to buy a new car every few years. Which is why we're seeing laws to push out the old cars and repair of them. Soon you will have to retire your old clunker for a shiney new gov controlled vehicle or else walk to work, but you can keep cheering on the "new technology", for which you will be forced to comply with. I wont retire my clunker till it dies. It gets better mpgs than my 2012 mazda and 2011 silverado. thats why it gets driven. As for cheering new tech, ill be guilty of that to a certain extent. I'd rather embrace the ever evolving technological advancements, They seem to have been moving us into the right direction for the last 30 years. Don't like the regulations and rules being put in place? tough shit, you can't complain, you people put them people into power. You vote em in, they fuck you in the ass. And don't even have the common courtesy to give you a damn reach around. Last Edited by The Wild 0nes on 04/23/2015 02:27 AM The first step is to establish that something is possible; then probability will occur. It's easy to stand in the crowd but it takes courage to stand alone Do i look really like a guy with a plan? you know what i am? I'm a dog chasing cars. I wouldn't know what to do with one if i ever caught it. You know, I.. I just do things. The mobs have plans. The cops have plans. They're Schemers. Schemer's trying to control their little worlds. I'm Not a Schemer. |
m0tivati0n_2.o User ID: 68480461 United States 04/23/2015 02:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...yeah, I bought an ugly '92 Caprice batmobile back in the day with a five liter V8 engine to run around in. I told the salesman not to insult my intelligence when he stated it would get 30mpg. It got 32! Never before or since... Quoting: SLC LMAO he probably threw a bottle of octane booster in the "free first tank of gas". The first step is to establish that something is possible; then probability will occur. It's easy to stand in the crowd but it takes courage to stand alone Do i look really like a guy with a plan? you know what i am? I'm a dog chasing cars. I wouldn't know what to do with one if i ever caught it. You know, I.. I just do things. The mobs have plans. The cops have plans. They're Schemers. Schemer's trying to control their little worlds. I'm Not a Schemer. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65040492 United States 04/23/2015 02:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Does it count for adding the air freshener tree to the rearview mirror or detailing the car? My dad would have been illegal working on his Ford Model A then. No really; where does the reach of corp gov end? That is so state dictator it kills. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 20436952 United States 04/23/2015 02:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You will do what you're told slave and enjoy it at the same time. Now turn in that peice of shit car to you nearest government car recycling station, then proceed to the nearest gov controlled car dealer/manufacturer and pick out your new car payment. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69012977 Canada 04/23/2015 02:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bet you said you wouldn't comply with the mandatory health care too. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20436952 You will do what you're told slave and enjoy it at the same time. Now turn in that peice of shit car to you nearest government car recycling station, then proceed to the nearest gov controlled car dealer/manufacturer and pick out your new car payment. free ladas for the first 500 slavetards! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44367327 United States 04/23/2015 02:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...and new 2016 GM powertrain warranties are being cut from five years/100,000 miles to five years/60,000 miles. Quoting: SLC My GM product though brand new has 5 star Alans on the air cleaner? That's a wearable part that can be change monthly depend on windy conditions Should just be clamps to open, but they are clearly telling you Don't work on your car on any level |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44367327 United States 04/23/2015 02:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All the new tech, but we're still all getting around the same MPG we did 40 years ago, while other countries are allowed to buy 50 MPG cars. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20436952 Just face the facts, Muricans are dumb and like being screwed by gov monopolies. Be it by gas tax, poor MPG cars that fall apart like they are made in China. A very valid point |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 37874949 United States 04/23/2015 03:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I will take that as a compliment! Thanks. Now if everyone built one of these, what do you suppose would happen to the revenue from fuel taxes? Now you know the real reason the auto manufacturers will get their new copyright law forbidding you from doing this: |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 68775690 United States 04/23/2015 03:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | more reason to get an older car in 2011 i went ahead and traded up for the brand new 422 hp mustang 5.0 GT..great car but i opted out of all the fancy GPS, electronics package, etc wen with the base, but added a performance package, larger wheels/brakes, some suspension stuff great car, has basic radio, which i updated myself. I don't need all the fancy electronics in a car, adds more weight, and just not my thing have done quite a bit of mods for performance since it went out of 3 year bumper to bumper fuck them telling us what we can't do..i own the car now, just paid it off 6 months ago supercharger is coming up soon, once i get the tranny ready for it |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9917218 Sweden 04/23/2015 04:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lol ok I'll just buy cars from a company that isn't controlling. Like Peugeot. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63573277 I just pulled my GM's ABS unit and repaired 6 solder points that were defective on the circuit board, and under this act, that would be 'illegal'. My truck is paid for. I fucking own it. ======= As it currently sits, there are 13 (!) large automakers on the list supporting the DMCA. Want to know who they are? Of course you do: General Motors Company BMW Group FCA US LLC Ford Motor Company Jaguar Land Rover Mazda Mercedes-Benz USA Mitsubishi Motors Porsche Toyota Volkswagen Group of America Volvo Cars North America I don't see Renault in that list.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69008538 United Kingdom 04/23/2015 04:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I noticed a few years ago that they changed the 'Registration Document' in the Uk to state that 'this does not mean you are the legal owner'.....I thought that was very strange. So what document have I atually got that states I own the car?? nothing......hmm....yet no-one talks about it, nothing on any tv programme (inc all the motoring programs), almost like they are all working together. Then they started doing all this PCP sh1te, basically a 'rent-a-car' where you never own it, unless you pay the get out fee etc. So we can now see where all this is going, you won't buy a car you will just rent one and have to use their main dealer service. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69008538 United Kingdom 04/23/2015 04:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I noticed a few years ago that they changed the 'Registration Document' in the Uk to state that 'this does not mean you are the legal owner'.....I thought that was very strange. So what document have I atually got that states I own the car?? nothing......hmm....yet no-one talks about it, nothing on any tv programme (inc all the motoring programs), almost like they are all working together. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69008538 Then they started doing all this PCP sh1te, basically a 'rent-a-car' where you never own it, unless you pay the get out fee etc. So we can now see where all this is going, you won't buy a car you will just rent one and have to use their main dealer service. actually folowwing on..... watching a sh1tty 'Motorway Patrol' car crash tv program, I noticed the copper said to a guy he pulled over for a motoring offence that the insurance proved that he owned the car....... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 68871170 Romania 04/23/2015 04:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lol ok I'll just buy cars from a company that isn't controlling. Like Peugeot. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63573277 They will make a kind a pressure that all the automotive companies to join their association. Anyways they will spin is in the interest of the automotive companies.. What you will do then? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 39959171 United States 04/23/2015 04:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bad news: regardless of which automakers support this law, it will apply to ALL CARS. The 13 shown are the originators of the law. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37874949 Can you imagine your annual safety inspection resulting in handcuffs and arrest because DMV detected you replaced your own spark plugs, wires, fuses, water pump, etc? You own nothing anymore. What you buy owns you. Registration is not require unless you are using your car for hire. I haven't registered mine for over 6 years. Look at the supreme court decisions and UCC code, both provide the answer you need, no registration required. They dupe you into believing that the laws regarding commercial vehicle apply to you, they don't. So what you're telling me is that I can drive my vehicle once registered for the first time I do not have to ever pay registration again? BTW I'm in California and sorry for the derail..... but to add on to the topic to me if you want to mess with your car by all means mess with it but if you happen to screw it up that's all on you... and again it's just another way to screw us on money boy do companies love doing that to us. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1618838 United States 04/23/2015 05:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GM, Ford, And Others Want to Make Working on Your Own Car Illegal Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37874949 It’s called the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). It’s been around since 2000 and started as anti-Internet piracy legislation. But automakers want to use it to try and make working on your own car illegal. Yes, illegal. The general premise is that unlike cars of the past, today’s vehicles are so advanced and use such a large amount of software and coding in their general makeup, altering said code could be dangerous and possibly even malicious. Listing the vehicle as a “mobile computing device,” the law would hypothetically protect automakers from pesky owners looking to alter any sort of technology in the vehicle that relates to the onboard computer. Flashing your ECU would be a big no no, which could also lead to all sorts of problems for aftermarket shops. What GM, and even tractor companies like John Deere, argues is that you, as an owner, don’t actually own your car. Rather, you’re sort of just borrowing it for an extended amount of time and paying for the rights to use the technology. [link to www.yahoo.com (secure)] That's actually incorrect. You could flash your own software all you want. You just can't copy theirs. Shill repeating misleading headline. One star. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 64492115 Germany 04/23/2015 05:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If they made shit worth a fuck to begin with, i wouldnt have to modify anything or whatever. I payed for the vehicle, i'll do what i need with it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69009220 That's what everybody was saying about DVD videos when DMCA came out and the people started breaking the encryption in order to rip the contents to a hard drive. It was ruled that a consumer doesn't own the copyright to the contents (i.e. you don't own the movie) and they're not allowed to access the contents in any other way than intended by the copyright holder. Therefore, they are not allowed to circumvent the copy-protection on the DVD to rip the contents to a hard drive. Now they're applying the same logic to cars. Unless the terms of the deal explicitly state that you are allowed to modify the car, you aren't allowed to do that. |
Phennommennonn Forum Administrator 04/23/2015 05:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GM, Ford, And Others Want to Make Working on Your Own Car Illegal Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37874949 It’s called the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). It’s been around since 2000 and started as anti-Internet piracy legislation. But automakers want to use it to try and make working on your own car illegal. Yes, illegal. The general premise is that unlike cars of the past, today’s vehicles are so advanced and use such a large amount of software and coding in their general makeup, altering said code could be dangerous and possibly even malicious. Listing the vehicle as a “mobile computing device,” the law would hypothetically protect automakers from pesky owners looking to alter any sort of technology in the vehicle that relates to the onboard computer. Flashing your ECU would be a big no no, which could also lead to all sorts of problems for aftermarket shops. What GM, and even tractor companies like John Deere, argues is that you, as an owner, don’t actually own your car. Rather, you’re sort of just borrowing it for an extended amount of time and paying for the rights to use the technology. [link to www.yahoo.com (secure)] maybe they should sell something that works. my beemers never in the shop cept for normal maintenance political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
Munsoned User ID: 51111974 United States 04/23/2015 05:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fuck you ford. You fix my paint first! Freedom requires breathing room, the Constitution presupposes that there will be some crazies among us so that the rest of us can enjoy freedom. - Judge Andrew Napolitano A huge shit cloud is coming! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 68391500 United States 04/23/2015 05:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GM, Ford, And Others Want to Make Working on Your Own Car Illegal Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37874949 It’s called the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). It’s been around since 2000 and started as anti-Internet piracy legislation. But automakers want to use it to try and make working on your own car illegal. Yes, illegal. The general premise is that unlike cars of the past, today’s vehicles are so advanced and use such a large amount of software and coding in their general makeup, altering said code could be dangerous and possibly even malicious. Listing the vehicle as a “mobile computing device,” the law would hypothetically protect automakers from pesky owners looking to alter any sort of technology in the vehicle that relates to the onboard computer. Flashing your ECU would be a big no no, which could also lead to all sorts of problems for aftermarket shops. What GM, and even tractor companies like John Deere, argues is that you, as an owner, don’t actually own your car. Rather, you’re sort of just borrowing it for an extended amount of time and paying for the rights to use the technology. [link to www.yahoo.com (secure)] That's actually incorrect. You could flash your own software all you want. You just can't copy theirs. Shill repeating misleading headline. One star. Nobody wants to copy anyone's oem shit coding. That's why we mod stuff ourselves with performance tunes and what not. If you're leasing or making car payments then sure, aftermarket mods should be illegal. But if the title is iin my name then that states I own it and can do whatever the fuck I want to it. Otherwise I'll do like someone else suggested and poke some bullet holes in it. Or I'll just take it out in the field and hit jumps, do donuts and burnouts, and just trash it til it blows up or the wheels fall off. Saying I can't do what I want with my own car is the same as saying I can't paint my own house. If I want to paint a 10' wide 6' tall confederate flag on the front then I'll fucking do it and the neighbors can suck my cock. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4888718 United States 04/23/2015 06:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GM, Ford, And Others Want to Make Working on Your Own Car Illegal Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37874949 It’s called the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). It’s been around since 2000 and started as anti-Internet piracy legislation. But automakers want to use it to try and make working on your own car illegal. Yes, illegal. The general premise is that unlike cars of the past, today’s vehicles are so advanced and use such a large amount of software and coding in their general makeup, altering said code could be dangerous and possibly even malicious. Listing the vehicle as a “mobile computing device,” the law would hypothetically protect automakers from pesky owners looking to alter any sort of technology in the vehicle that relates to the onboard computer. Flashing your ECU would be a big no no, which could also lead to all sorts of problems for aftermarket shops. What GM, and even tractor companies like John Deere, argues is that you, as an owner, don’t actually own your car. Rather, you’re sort of just borrowing it for an extended amount of time and paying for the rights to use the technology. [link to www.yahoo.com (secure)] Good thing I have an old Dodge Pick-up. Unfortunately, Car companies don't make law. They just pay off law makers. This is a ploy to bring more money in to the service stations that pay big bucks to be "Authorized Ford Mechanics". The car companies can't give the mechanics their business that they pay for if everyone works on their own cars. ;) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69013250 Australia 04/23/2015 06:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well guess what? The Dodge Charger is now the fastest 4 door sedan in the World Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44367327 Self proclaimed 204 mph by Chrysler actually does about 180 when track tested by others For the money, you can't beat it The Hellcat right? Speaking of MPG figures, i read that the FIAT 500 sold in Europe is way more economical than the same car sold in the US. In the USA, the FIAT 500 gets 31 mpg city/40 mpg highway. Elsewhere it avgs 57mpg. It's deliberately tuned for crap mpg. |
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