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| Youfunny User ID: 64744173  United States04/30/2015 01:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | things like this could be the source of what was perceived as supernatural events and phenomenon... eg: blood of christ (shine a light), and the goblet goes red... Quoting: Citizenperth (just an example my christian folk).....  Thats it. It was all just a big accident. A random fluctuation in the quantum vacuum. Uh Huh! |
mondali1  User ID: 50234356  Thailand04/30/2015 01:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is a simple technique for embedding gold or silver in glass. Its called fuming. Gold in held in front of a oxidizing flame and the gold fumes off in microscopic particles. Any glass blower know the technique. It is similar to putting glass in a cloud chamber with gold being super heated to the vapor stage and then condensing it on to glass. This is how the windows were tinted for space flights. Can't believe the scientists in 1990 didn't know about this technique. Fuming can cause color changes in glass. A glass mirror at least the old ones were made by the same type of process fuming silver on the back side of glass. [link to www.google.co.th (secure)] Look at some of the pictures a few items down. Last Edited by mondali1 on 04/30/2015 02:00 PM mondali |
| Ma Pantha User ID: 69092401  Australia04/30/2015 07:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If the knowledge was given by aliens (I like the term extradimensional better), why would the object depict a king in an 'outburst of anger'? I mean, it could be an allegory of why a proper king should not let emotions take over, but that's just a wild guess... Quoting: Disembodied~Mind Again, thanks for the thread OP! 5* The ancients were masters of symbolism. Even today we struggle to comprehend the depth of information in ancient symbology. Particularly so from the megalithic cultures. But what does the angry kind looking symbol mean? I really have no idea. Cheers! Apparently, the story behind what is depicted in the glass is that Lycurgus (an ancient Greek king), in an outburst of anger, attacked Dyonisus (Greek god of the harvest/wine). One of Dyonisus followers reached out to 'Mother Earth' (Gaia?), who transformed into vines, trapping Lycurgus inside. Nothing out of the extraordinary, just Mother Earth asserting dominance over a human. Why would ancient Rome create a glass depicting a Greek myth? I don't understand at all... And again, in my opinion, neither the story nor its moral is that 'deep' to have superior beings put it in an artifact, possibly to warn humans not to mess with Gaia. Maybe I'm overthinking this but, nanotechnology in ancient Rome? WTF. My knowledge of ancient history is pretty thin, but I do know that Roman gods are co-opted Greek gods. Meaning, that they just gave all the pantheon of Greek gods new Roman names, and carried on with the same worship rituals. The Ancient Greeks were established well before Roman times, in fact a civilisation called the Etruscans lived in Italy at the time. I believe the Greek Dionysos is the Roman Bacchus, etc. Dionysos being the ancient Greek god of vegetation, wine and theatre. And recently, I found out that the whole Greek pantheon of gods actually originated in Atlantis, for instance there was a temple to Poseidon there. So there really has been a cultural distribution and dissemination over many ancient centuries, with a lot of occult knowledge lost along the way! I would guess part of the occult knowledge is alchemy, which is how this chalice was made, but in later Roman times, around 400 A.D. shortly before the very end of their empire. ___________________ Formerly Ma Pantha |
| Light of Kukulkan (OP) User ID: 69092228 Australia04/30/2015 07:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "there is nothing new under the sun." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35294996 --Solomon this is not puzzling from a Biblical perspective, which names advanced tech… all comes from God Descartes "...on the night of September 16th, Descartes had a dream and in this dream an angel appeared to him, this is documented by his own hand, and the angel said to Descartes, "The conquest of nature is to be achieved through measure and number." And that revelation lay the basis for modern science. Rene Descartes is the founder of the distinction between the res verins and the res extensia, the founder of modern science, the founder of the scientific method that created the philosophical engines that created the modern world. How many scientists, working at their workbenches, understand that an angel chartered modern science?..." Ok, but if it came from a Biblical God, why is the imagery pagan? good book on this topic: THE TWO BABYLONS, A. Hislop pdf [link to ia701209.us.archive.org] apparently, many cultures from around the world show signs of having been once mono-theistic… but eventually they lose sight of one true Creator of all: "Though Brahma, according to the sacred books, is the first person of the Hindoo Triad, and the religion of Hindostan is called by his name, yet he is never worshipped, and there is scarcely a single Temple in all India now in existence of those that were formerly erected to his honor." p19 You're talking about Alexander Hislop...The one that attempted to show that the cult and worship of Semiramis spread globally, and her name changed with the culture and that the Catholic Church was a Babylonian mystery cult? Does you know that primordial Christians destroyed the Alexandria Lybrary? And burned ALL "books", destroyed all the machines, the hydraulic droids, etc...and halted for 1100 years our civilization???? A good point you make there. “Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.” - Gautama Buddha |
| Ma Pantha User ID: 69092401 Australia04/30/2015 07:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How do they know that the Romans made it? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53441119 If so then where are all the other examples? Tech like this to my mind is from an ancient civilisation who were wiped out in a cataclysm. Yeah, is it just me of does the explanation sound a little off base? The Romans are looters. Pretty sure they didn't make it. Romans are killing Joni Mitchell as we type, brothers This day saddens me. The disease: Morgellons. A disease they refuse to acknowledge, but continue to blight us with. Joni is one of the best people in the last 70 years. ___________________ Formerly Ma Pantha |
| Disembodied~Mind User ID: 65816963  Colombia04/30/2015 07:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If the knowledge was given by aliens (I like the term extradimensional better), why would the object depict a king in an 'outburst of anger'? I mean, it could be an allegory of why a proper king should not let emotions take over, but that's just a wild guess... Quoting: Disembodied~Mind Again, thanks for the thread OP! 5* The ancients were masters of symbolism. Even today we struggle to comprehend the depth of information in ancient symbology. Particularly so from the megalithic cultures. But what does the angry kind looking symbol mean? I really have no idea. Cheers! Apparently, the story behind what is depicted in the glass is that Lycurgus (an ancient Greek king), in an outburst of anger, attacked Dyonisus (Greek god of the harvest/wine). One of Dyonisus followers reached out to 'Mother Earth' (Gaia?), who transformed into vines, trapping Lycurgus inside. Nothing out of the extraordinary, just Mother Earth asserting dominance over a human. Why would ancient Rome create a glass depicting a Greek myth? I don't understand at all... And again, in my opinion, neither the story nor its moral is that 'deep' to have superior beings put it in an artifact, possibly to warn humans not to mess with Gaia. Maybe I'm overthinking this but, nanotechnology in ancient Rome? WTF. My knowledge of ancient history is pretty thin, but I do know that Roman gods are co-opted Greek gods. Meaning, that they just gave all the pantheon of Greek gods new Roman names, and carried on with the same worship rituals. The Ancient Greeks were established well before Roman times, in fact a civilisation called the Etruscans lived in Italy at the time. I believe the Greek Dionysos is the Roman Bacchus, etc. Dionysos being the ancient Greek god of vegetation, wine and theatre. And recently, I found out that the whole Greek pantheon of gods actually originated in Atlantis, for instance there was a temple to Poseidon there. So there really has been a cultural distribution and dissemination over many ancient centuries, with a lot of occult knowledge lost along the way! I would guess part of the occult knowledge is alchemy, which is how this chalice was made, but in later Roman times, around 400 A.D. shortly before the very end of their empire. Thanks for the reply :] “The living being had no need of eyes because there was nothing outside of him to be seen; nor of ears because there was nothing to be heard; and there was no surrounding atmosphere to be breathed; nor would there have been any use of organs by the help of which he might receive his food or get rid of what he had already digested, since there was nothing which went from him or came into him: for there was nothing beside him. Of design he created thus; his own waste providing his own food, and all that he did or suffered taking place in and by himself. For the Creator conceived that a being which was self-sufficient would be far more excellent than one which lacked anything; and, as he had no need to take anything or defend himself against any one, the Creator did not think it necessary to bestow upon him hands: nor had he any need of feet, nor of the whole apparatus of walking; but the movement suited to his spherical form which was designed by him, being of all the seven that which is most appropriate to mind and intelligence; and he was made to move in the same manner and on the same spot, within his own limits revolving in a circle. All the other six motions were taken away from him, and he was made not to partake of their deviations. And as this circular movement required no feet, the universe was created without legs and without feet.” -Plato |
| Light of Kukulkan (OP) User ID: 69092228 Australia04/30/2015 07:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The one thing I would not call the Rome Empire is eco friendly. Quoting: Daughter They would cut down every tree in their path, seem to have rubbed off on other culture who had links to them. Take a Roman to the forest, they would panic, that is what was said, makes sense. They would clear land for their ships, marches where they carried think over ground, they like to carry things by water, and if a tree was there it was gone. Not, a good group, no matter what they could do with technology, no more than the ones now, who do not care what happens or have no thoughts, about the what they are doing. Romans Empire was a brutal monstrous group. They murdered people in the worse fashion they could come up with, including, boiling people in oil. No, them and their god, Ishtar, Juno, Zeus, any and all personal god, but Ishtar killed babies. They love crucifying people as example for others, you only had to disagree, and on a cross you would hang, that was a way to control people. Now we have some who are using other means, but it is similar to the Rome Empire. Come to think of it, not many human cultures are eco friendly at all, with exception to those who practice earth religions such as many of the indigenous tribes of the Earth. Interesting fact to point out is that many of the remaining (and this centuries) indigenous tribes use(d) psychedelic drugs in a ritualistic/spiritual manner That seems to have been lost along with "civilization" and, incidentally, at least imo, environmentalism and a better connection to nature and our "origin" are all themes much more prevalent (again, imo) in drug "cultures" such as hippie-ism I'm actually 100% convinced that with the recent wave of legalization of cannabis, we're on the right path to a brighter future, as deluded or drug-infused that might sound Just think about it, the economy can be partly fixed, at least there will be a guaranteed boost. All fossil fuels can be replaced in a mere couple of years time. So many people will be helped or even cured in the coming years, in the few legal states alone, that it will become impossible for "them" to stop it, I guess that's why "they" are already well on route to planning their OWN involvement in the legalization once it goes global (pretty scummy) Certain drugs can change people for the better, however, our society is organized in such a way that self-medication is per definition put on par with heroin use or alcoholism, when in fact, if the environment is right, cannabis (among others) will help the person accept themselves I know this because I've been depressed and suicidal all my life due to child abuse, I though cannabis would make me a junk, but hey, instead of killing myself, might as well give joy a shot first! Life flipturned upside down, what I was left with THEN however, was the fact that no matter how happy I was now, society would call me an addict if I opened up about it Yet still, weed helped me, I went on a mental journey of self-enlightenment and am now in the position where I can easily fend off any argument against my pot use, even to those that remain stubborn in their ignorance I've been on anti-depressants and I felt like a drug user too. I was an addict who needed chemicals every day in order to not feel suicidal, how insane is that?? When I quit my anti-deps I would get mad suicidal thoughts, how is that NOT worse than smoking a medicinally researched HERB? Nobody will ever again be in a position where they can tell me what I do is wrong, bad for me,... because I'm 100% self-empowered and only thanks to cannabis, not anti-deps, not anti-psychotics, nothing but a damn dried plant, and I'm proud of it. Sorry for the long long off-topic rambling, I got inspired and I'm in a particularly good mood! Hey, thanks for sharing your story. In a nutshell, you are right about global social mental illness being a function of our disconnection with nature. Cannabis is a wonderful natural gift with amazing potential to help heal in a great many ways. Of course, when it is looked at from a drug abuse perspective, it is also being looked at through the lens of societal integration. In that way, the point is void because it is being made through a false perspective. Anyway, thanks again for your story. Good luck on the rest of your journey. “Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.” - Gautama Buddha |
| Ma Pantha User ID: 69092401 Australia04/30/2015 08:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This cup: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64915693 "- It shows a scene from a Greek story, where bad tempered king Lycurgus is being trapped by vines as a punishment for his latest outburst of anger." It shows a scene from a STORY yet people here seem hell bent to tie it to religion any way they can. Obsessive. Yes, yes, tie to religion. Obsessive to you it seems. Gee, golly, I wonder why? LYKOURGOS (or Lycurgus) was an impious king of the Edonians of Thrake who attacked Dionysos when the god was travelling through his land instructing men in the art of winemaking or, in another version of the tale, while the god was still a child in the care of the Nymphs of Mount Nysa. As the troupe fled, Lykourgos struck down the god's nurse Ambrosia with his axe The rest dived into the sea where they were given refuge by the goddess Thetis. As punishment for his crime, Lykourgos was inflicted with madness and in this crazed state slew his wife and sons. His own death followed quickly after:--some say that he chopped off his own feet with an axe before killing himself; others that he was struck blind and being scorned by all died in destitution; or that he was torn apart by his own horses; or devoured by the panthers of the god; or wrapped in strangling vines and despatched to Haides for eternal torment. Lykourgos' fate was not unique--Pentheus, Orpheus, the Proitides and the Minyades were also suffered severe punishment for scorning the god. Thank you for the edifying explanation. On another note, people create their own "hell" of torment when they are chained by their emotions, created by viewing all through a negative prism. ___________________ Formerly Ma Pantha |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 15876965 United States05/01/2015 02:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is a simple technique for embedding gold or silver in glass. Its called fuming. Gold in held in front of a oxidizing flame and the gold fumes off in microscopic particles. Any glass blower know the technique. It is similar to putting glass in a cloud chamber with gold being super heated to the vapor stage and then condensing it on to glass. This is how the windows were tinted for space flights. Can't believe the scientists in 1990 didn't know about this technique. Fuming can cause color changes in glass. A glass mirror at least the old ones were made by the same type of process fuming silver on the back side of glass. Quoting: mondali1 [link to www.google.co.th (secure)] Look at some of the pictures a few items down. Wow. Thanks for posting this. Beautiful glass. |
| I'm Not Even Here User ID: 69103824  Uruguay05/02/2015 02:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Monoatomic gold is not to be confused with colloidal gold either, which retains its metallic nature. Quoting: Visitor 64067080 People who use the word "monoatomic" need to go back to school. Monoatomic means: "mono" = one, "atomic" = atom. Hence one atom. ALL elements are one atom, so anyone trying to sell "monoatomic" anything is simply fooling stupid people that know nothing about chemistry with fluff names and buzz words to scam them out of money. I should start selling people some magical "diatomic hydrogen monoatomic oxygen" ..... it will cure everything, but it will cost you $1000.  Does it comes with monoatomic carbon diatomic oxigen? If yes I want a bottle of St. Pellegrino please..!! Dirty cheap 1k U$s!!!! I'll always be here but almost unseen. |
| I'm Not Even Here User ID: 69103824 Uruguay05/02/2015 02:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "A Roman goblet could be an 1,600-year-old example of nanotechnology, according to experts. The mysterious Lycurgus Cup is made of dichroic glass and appears green when lit from the front and turns bright red when a light is shone on it from behind. Quoting: Light of Kukulkan The chalice, which is on display at The British Museum, London, uses similar techniques to modern nanotechnology - the manipulation of materials on an atomic and molecular scale - which scientists believe could be used for everything from diagnosing diseases to identifying bioharzards at airports. Scientists only solved the mystery of the color-changing chalice in 1990, after being baffled by its behavior for decades, Smithsonian Magazine reported. After putting broken fragments of glass under a microscope, scientists found the Romans had impregnated it with particles of sliver and gold, which they ground down to tiny proportions - around 50 nanometres in diameter - a thousand times smaller than a grain of salt. The precise amount of metals has lead experts to hail the Romans as 'nanotechnology pioneers' who really knew what they were doing. Archaeologist Ian Freestone, of University College London, who researched the cup and its unusual optical properties, called its construction an 'amazing feat'. The cup appears to change color as when light hits it as the flecks of metals' electrons vibrate in ways that seem to change the color, depending on where the observer is looking at it. The chalice was used to hold drink on special occasions and experts believe that when it was filled, the behavior of the vibrating electrons changed, as well as it's color." More from the article and images here: [link to humansarefree.com] Pretty impressive! Rome is where the ancient books of this world are held hostage away from the public eyes. As the Romans invaded the lands, they collected all artifacts, writings, and teachings of those they raided. The Vatican library holds the true history of this world. History was stolen and rewritten here. There are books down there from the Alexandria LIbrary as well. Do you believe that any "book" with poetry from Homer, Hesiod, Sappho, Anakreon, Simonides, Pindar, Bacchylides, Callymachus, Apollonius, Theocritus, Aratos..Theater by Aeschylus, Sophocles, Euripides, Aristophanes, Menander, Straton, Criticism of Zenodotus, Aristophanes of Byzantium, Aristarchus of Samothracia, Aristonicus...Pre-Sochratic philosofy of Anaxmander, Parmenides, Xenophanes, Heraclitus, Plato, Aristotle, Theophrastus, Zeno, Epicurus, Pyrrhon, Panaetius, Philon of Alexandria, Plotinus ,THE WORKS OF APOLLONIUS OF TYANA who maybe you know now by other name, also the HERETIC work about medicine like: Corpus of Hippocrates, Herophilu's Anatomy, blood circulation of Erasistratus , Medicine of Callimachus (Probably as advanced as today), Sarapion, Heracleides of Tarentus, Rufus, Apollonius Mys, Galen father of modern medicine and over all the Egyptian manuals on astronomy,astronomy instruments, medicine instruments; Berossos of Babylon writings, Persian religion, AND Buddhist writings as of today are still around????!!!???? PLEASE GET REAL, BE RATIONAL !!!!!! I'll always be here but almost unseen. |
| I'm Not Even Here User ID: 69103824 Uruguay05/02/2015 02:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | good book on this topic: THE TWO BABYLONS, A. Hislop pdf [link to ia701209.us.archive.org] apparently, many cultures from around the world show signs of having been once mono-theistic… but eventually they lose sight of one true Creator of all: "Though Brahma, according to the sacred books, is the first person of the Hindoo Triad, and the religion of Hindostan is called by his name, yet he is never worshipped, and there is scarcely a single Temple in all India now in existence of those that were formerly erected to his honor." p19 You're talking about Alexander Hislop...The one that attempted to show that the cult and worship of Semiramis spread globally, and her name changed with the culture and that the Catholic Church was a Babylonian mystery cult? Does you know that primordial Christians destroyed the Alexandria Lybrary? And burned ALL "books", destroyed all the machines, the hydraulic droids, etc...and halted for 1100 years our civilization???? A good point you make there. Thank You, Light of Kukulkan. I'll always be here but almost unseen. |
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| Light of Kukulkan (OP) User ID: 69104573 Australia05/02/2015 02:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35294996 good book on this topic: THE TWO BABYLONS, A. Hislop pdf [link to ia701209.us.archive.org] apparently, many cultures from around the world show signs of having been once mono-theistic… but eventually they lose sight of one true Creator of all: "Though Brahma, according to the sacred books, is the first person of the Hindoo Triad, and the religion of Hindostan is called by his name, yet he is never worshipped, and there is scarcely a single Temple in all India now in existence of those that were formerly erected to his honor." p19 You're talking about Alexander Hislop...The one that attempted to show that the cult and worship of Semiramis spread globally, and her name changed with the culture and that the Catholic Church was a Babylonian mystery cult? Does you know that primordial Christians destroyed the Alexandria Lybrary? And burned ALL "books", destroyed all the machines, the hydraulic droids, etc...and halted for 1100 years our civilization???? A good point you make there. Thank You, Light of Kukulkan.  “Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.” - Gautama Buddha |
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