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Anonymous Coward User ID: 65903203 United States 04/30/2015 02:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I filed an appeal 4 years ago, went to the 'meeting' with a page full of comps saying my property was worth 25,000 LESS than what they said. They sent a letter saying I was wrong, they were right... 3 years later my property value miraculously lowered 30,000 dollars, with those of everyone else in my city. Hope you find something personally gratifying OP, go with your passion, whatever has always made you happy but never thought of making a career out of. |
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GrizzlyBear (OP) User ID: 37465764 United States 04/30/2015 02:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most that I work with just enter the data into a computer and go with what the computer generates. They don't really analyze the data, as long as it comes within an acceptable range to the comparable properties. I know that we over-inflated values the past 4 years even in a down market. We also hit commercial business hard. Rule#4 Double Tap. |
judge armageddon User ID: 65295474 Australia 04/30/2015 02:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I could no longer, in good conscious, participate in the corruption. Quoting: GrizzlyBear Don't know what I will do now, but god willing I will find something more personally gratifying. If you want to know how to get your property taxes lowered, I can give you many tips. First off..know your state/county laws. File your appeal on time. Most of the people I worked with were lazy data collectors who don't really understand the concept of appraisal. Ask them tough complicated questions about everything on the appraisal. Especially about the cost and adjustments. Ask them where they got their percentages for depreciation. Ask them about local and economic indexes and if they were a factor in determining your value. Ask them why they chose a specific dollar amount for each adjustment to comparable properties. I can guarantee you that 9/10 they will just lower your value because they don't know the answers and would just as soon get you out the door. awesome God knows your trying dont worry about that good for you man!!!!the vibrations have gone up a bit! |
GrizzlyBear (OP) User ID: 37465764 United States 04/30/2015 02:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hope you find something personally gratifying OP, go with your passion, whatever has always made you happy but never thought of making a career out of. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65903203 Thanks. I have enough money saved up to live on for a couple years. I am thinking about going back to school..meteorology. Rule#4 Double Tap. |
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brokenhalo User ID: 142706 United States 04/30/2015 02:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hope you find something personally gratifying OP, go with your passion, whatever has always made you happy but never thought of making a career out of. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65903203 Thanks. I have enough money saved up to live on for a couple years. I am thinking about going back to school..meteorology. Good for you man, good for you. Fucking San Diego just jacked my property taxes up by another 800 bucks this year, based on a re-assessment of my properties value. /sigh Every year it goes up, no matter what. How are properties worth so much when almost nobody can afford them? /sigh Get into the INFOSEC (information security) field. It's fun, it pays well, and in high demand. I myself do certification and accreditation (not the best thing, but so many people dislike doing it makes the skills valuable), but you can also do penetration testing, hacking into computers (they're called Red Team and they get paid to hack into systems), defend them against Red Teams (called Blue Teams) etc. You could do certified network defense or something similar. It's a burgeoning field with lots of opportunity. Yeah, you're stuck behind a desk sometimes, but not all the time - and I'm sure that's something you're ok with anyway. I'm a Cyperpunk - Ask me what it means sometime. ------- “All the speed he took, all the turns he'd taken and the corners he'd cut in Night City, and still he'd see the matrix in his sleep, bright lattices of logic unfolding across that colorless void...” -- William Gibson, Neuromancer |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1219974 United States 04/30/2015 02:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I could no longer, in good conscious, participate in the corruption. Quoting: GrizzlyBear Don't know what I will do now, but god willing I will find something more personally gratifying. If you want to know how to get your property taxes lowered, I can give you many tips. First off..know your state/county laws. File your appeal on time. Most of the people I worked with were lazy data collectors who don't really understand the concept of appraisal. Ask them tough complicated questions about everything on the appraisal. Especially about the cost and adjustments. Ask them where they got their percentages for depreciation. Ask them about local and economic indexes and if they were a factor in determining your value. Ask them why they chose a specific dollar amount for each adjustment to comparable properties. I can guarantee you that 9/10 they will just lower your value because they don't know the answers and would just as soon get you out the door. I am right there with you, I will be walking out after 25 years in the tech business. Probably going to look at switching to a mechanic of some sort. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 39361471 United States 04/30/2015 03:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I plan on going the vendor/food truck route, but I love the walkup/drive-thru setup too. I wouldn't mind a parking lot kiosk either. Got to get a really good location though. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 64710524 United States 04/30/2015 03:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most that I work with just enter the data into a computer and go with what the computer generates. They don't really analyze the data, as long as it comes within an acceptable range to the comparable properties. I know that we over-inflated values the past 4 years even in a down market. We also hit commercial business hard. I've seen this in insurance replacement cost values, they're out of whack and just keep going higher... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26438102 United States 04/30/2015 03:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I could no longer, in good conscious, participate in the corruption. Quoting: GrizzlyBear Don't know what I will do now, but god willing I will find something more personally gratifying. If you want to know how to get your property taxes lowered, I can give you many tips. First off..know your state/county laws. File your appeal on time. Most of the people I worked with were lazy data collectors who don't really understand the concept of appraisal. Ask them tough complicated questions about everything on the appraisal. Especially about the cost and adjustments. Ask them where they got their percentages for depreciation. Ask them about local and economic indexes and if they were a factor in determining your value. Ask them why they chose a specific dollar amount for each adjustment to comparable properties. I can guarantee you that 9/10 they will just lower your value because they don't know the answers and would just as soon get you out the door. This is not quite correct because they can't willy nilly reduce your property value without impacting the comps. It's all "pre-arranged" really. If it were legit, then everyone's property value would have reduced during the recession, but they did not, |
GrizzlyBear (OP) User ID: 37465764 United States 04/30/2015 03:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | At the end of the day, there is a flash and blood man or woman who must actually pull the levers for the gears of the machine to turn The state tax commission provides the local indexes, economic indexes, tax rates, depreciation schedules..etc.. A lot of the work is done behind the scenes at a higher level, not at the local county level. The county level basically collects the data and enters it into the system. The value is generated using local comps, but the multipliers come from elsewhere. What prompted me to leave...this year as we were working on determination of final value...the average increase was 25% residential and 40% commercial. I had not seen any indication in my sales analysis that justified any increase at all. When I tried to reduce values, I was raked over the coals as to why I was making said adjustments, and my argument fell on deaf ears. The other 6 appraisers in the office just went with the figures and didn't question anything. Another thing that really bothered me was the sharing of information with other government agencies, including state and federal. Primarily sales information for capital gains tax collections. Also an interesting query I saw was for homes that had wood stoves and fireplaces... Rule#4 Double Tap. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24957083 United States 04/30/2015 03:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Tax appraisers are some of the lazies people I ever met. They just assign arbitrary numbers to everything. They priced my house and property for 10 million when I never even paid even a hundred thousand for it, ever. Just because I do some repair works, make things look nice, all of the sudden I'm a billionaire. |
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GrizzlyBear (OP) User ID: 37465764 United States 04/30/2015 03:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I could no longer, in good conscious, participate in the corruption. Quoting: GrizzlyBear Don't know what I will do now, but god willing I will find something more personally gratifying. If you want to know how to get your property taxes lowered, I can give you many tips. First off..know your state/county laws. File your appeal on time. Most of the people I worked with were lazy data collectors who don't really understand the concept of appraisal. Ask them tough complicated questions about everything on the appraisal. Especially about the cost and adjustments. Ask them where they got their percentages for depreciation. Ask them about local and economic indexes and if they were a factor in determining your value. Ask them why they chose a specific dollar amount for each adjustment to comparable properties. I can guarantee you that 9/10 they will just lower your value because they don't know the answers and would just as soon get you out the door. This is not quite correct because they can't willy nilly reduce your property value without impacting the comps. It's all "pre-arranged" really. If it were legit, then everyone's property value would have reduced during the recession, but they did not, I could no longer, in good conscious, participate in the corruption. Quoting: GrizzlyBear Don't know what I will do now, but god willing I will find something more personally gratifying. If you want to know how to get your property taxes lowered, I can give you many tips. First off..know your state/county laws. File your appeal on time. Most of the people I worked with were lazy data collectors who don't really understand the concept of appraisal. Ask them tough complicated questions about everything on the appraisal. Especially about the cost and adjustments. Ask them where they got their percentages for depreciation. Ask them about local and economic indexes and if they were a factor in determining your value. Ask them why they chose a specific dollar amount for each adjustment to comparable properties. I can guarantee you that 9/10 they will just lower your value because they don't know the answers and would just as soon get you out the door. This is not quite correct because they can't willy nilly reduce your property value without impacting the comps. It's all "pre-arranged" really. If it were legit, then everyone's property value would have reduced during the recession, but they did not, Once the comps are set, you can adjust value to the intial property by changing some factors. There isn't a lot of wiggle room but there is some room for 10k-20k reductions, anything beyond that is hard to accomplish. The only time a change in property affects comps is when property is re-comped for the next appraisal period. Rule#4 Double Tap. |
GrizzlyBear (OP) User ID: 37465764 United States 04/30/2015 03:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since assessment information is public record, I suggest you look up the local, county, and state employees and politicians assessments. Compare their year on year valuations and that of their neighbors. You might find some interesting stuff... Rule#4 Double Tap. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61554461 United States 04/30/2015 03:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since assessment information is public record, I suggest you look up the local, county, and state employees and politicians assessments. Compare their year on year valuations and that of their neighbors. You might find some interesting stuff... ya i know it is the case in my area |
GrizzlyBear (OP) User ID: 37465764 United States 04/30/2015 03:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's the dirty little secret politicians use. They brag about how good of stewards they are with taxpayers money and how once again they don't need to raise taxes. Instead they just raise the value of your property and the tax increase is hidden!! Quoting: chuckles45 Exactly. You have a deadline to file for review on a complicated assessment notice that is misleading. After the deadline has passed, a few months later the mill levy is applied and you see an increase in your tax. Unfortunately, you dont see that increase until after you have missed the deadline for filing a review. Rule#4 Double Tap. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 39203597 United States 04/30/2015 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | At the end of the day, there is a flash and blood man or woman who must actually pull the levers for the gears of the machine to turn The state tax commission provides the local indexes, economic indexes, tax rates, depreciation schedules..etc.. A lot of the work is done behind the scenes at a higher level, not at the local county level. The county level basically collects the data and enters it into the system. The value is generated using local comps, but the multipliers come from elsewhere. What prompted me to leave...this year as we were working on determination of final value...the average increase was 25% residential and 40% commercial. I had not seen any indication in my sales analysis that justified any increase at all. When I tried to reduce values, I was raked over the coals as to why I was making said adjustments, and my argument fell on deaf ears. The other 6 appraisers in the office just went with the figures and didn't question anything. Another thing that really bothered me was the sharing of information with other government agencies, including state and federal. Primarily sales information for capital gains tax collections. Also an interesting query I saw was for homes that had wood stoves and fireplaces... I'm fascinated. Please explain more about your last line there: wood stoves? |
Pissed Off Beaver User ID: 63783999 Canada 04/30/2015 03:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good for you ! I wish you well on your new journey... One small reason I moved to Mexico is that you pay less then $200 a year on property taxes. The other more important reasons : Warm weather, beautiful beaches, fantastic food, gorgeous latina women, can fly to Vegas or Texas from here for $90, maid for $25 a day, medical system is super cheap and efficient, I love Mexican people and their traditional family values, etc... But it will most likely be a struggle for you if you have to get a job here. Which is why many Mexicans try to immigrate to USA. But if you are retired or have an online business you get a LOT of bang for your buck here ! In many places for $2000 a month and you are living VERY comfortably. I suggest you learn Spanish and the world is in fact your oyster. I can guarantee you I am never moving back ! 8) Peace gentlemen... Last Edited by Pissed Off Beaver on 04/30/2015 03:24 PM Pissed Off Beaver |
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GrizzlyBear (OP) User ID: 37465764 United States 04/30/2015 03:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm fascinated. Please explain more about your last line there: wood stoves? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39203597 I am not exactly sure what is was for and why. I was browsing through queries trying to locate a vacant land sale report and came across that query. I opened it up and every house that had a wood stove and/or fireplace was listed. It could have been a report for EPA, DEQ, etc. I saw no reason why it would have any value other than someone requested it. Woodstove/fireplaces aren't a factor in assessment, other than to pair up heating types on comp sales, but even then the adjustment for heating is minimal at best. Rule#4 Double Tap. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 14214761 United States 04/30/2015 03:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We need the Fair Tax to put an end to all that nonsense. That is no income or payroll taxes, no property taxes, and no corporate taxes - just a sales tax. The rich would pay most of the taxes because they spend most money. Easy accounting. Even drug money would be taxed when it is spent. I would add extra tariffs, at least until American industry is rebuilt. But anything sold in America would be taxed. Do you know why we don't do these very sensible things? Lobbies in Washington would scream bloody murder. |