We Are Now, And Have Always Been In Paradise, We're Just Too Self Aware To See It...

Thank you ;)

No need for infinite universes, although I will not presumptiously say that is not a possibility.

Yet what if "predestination" is simply inherent? I put it this way; If you created EVERYTHING in a system (and are wholly exempt and not part of the system you created), would it not be possible to rationalize what eventualities could come of it? The free will is there- yet naturally limited by design, which also merits the instability and hence The Question.

As such, the species that I believe "funded" our genome, where potent but limited in some way which made them uneligible to definitavely answer The Question.

I personally love this simple and fitting analogy;

Imagine in the beginning there was a professor that wanted to teach a a university, but not being in the same system as the university, also empty at the time,
would do it through a telepersonality . He created a system through thought alone. Through the thought of the professor, a system of thought created. In
that system of thought through its inquisitiveness, geometry formed through the expansion of thought in the system alone..

I'm getting to detailed here ;) (Flower of Life..)

In that thought system a first sentient being capable of own thought but in the "image" of "he who thought him" was directly created as a means to interact
with the system the professor was not himself directly a part of.

This first being was able to manipulate time space and matter at will. Co-Creation in the system begins. More students were created, the empty university
began to fill.

Now everybody learned from the professor and his proxy, the first student. It was a blast, progress was made. A golden age.

One day, one of the students, possibly even the second ever, says he understands the principle, but thinks theres yet a better way of doing so.

Most of the students looked at the guy as if he was nuts. How can a guy in the system be able to do things better than the guy outside that made it?

Preposterous as it seemed, the professor had to make a choice; throw the guy, who actually asked a perfectly reasonable if not "unthinkable" question
out of the class, banish him, heck, in his position obliviate him? Or does the professor, in sheer astounding wisdom and foresight, "give the guy the chalk and
invite him to have a go at it?

Most were shocked, but the professor gave the guy the chalk and the telepresence shut off. They were on their own, with the questioner talking the helm, but
to prevent utter universal catastrophe, the experiment was limited to a relatively closed system, and was to be carried out by representatives of all present.

Our Earth. Our species.

So the guy's been at the helm ever since. Drawing incredible calculations of astounding complexity, many students began to believe he may be on to something.

Heck, the telepresence prompter was out for so long, some even started to forget the telepresence-device, turned off, actually had a professor behind it once.

The only guy left vouching for it all was the professors proxy, the first student. The same even visited our experiment, to give us hope in finding the
answer, same as in the Grand Universal System itself. Some always held true, and most of the class remembered, only one third was lost, eventually banished
to the realm of the experiment only, the rest waiting for the answers to unfold.

But, no experiment lasts forever. IMHO, we are at the end of the experiment, at at the beginning of the time where the telepresence-device turns back on and things go back to how they were one planned. Only far later, does "the dark side" get another chance in trying to pull others over, after having seen the inherent eventualities of both systems.

"Freedom" and deprecation, followed by eventual, inherent destruction - or "Servitude" and expansion, "Becoming" more and more.

For me, I've already made my choice. Just having a hard time following through on it :D

Much we to learn we have about the universe..

IMHO once "The Question" is answered, we are to reconcile relations with of all those who went astray. After our great coming of age, "annointed by the eldest", to govern in benevolance over existance in "his image".

It's funny, but in my personal universal reasoning, what I say and what you say are actually wholly compatible. You have to see the whole, for all that it ever was..

indeed

which is one of the reasons our Father infers that "His children are destroyed for lack of knowledge"

all which we've been foretold within His Word

He didn't leave us hereupon sans the tools required to rise above and overcome both satan and this fallen world Age, via the exponential Wisdom which can be readily gleaned therefrom, if in fact one can "rightly divide the Word"

whereafter we'd have earned the right to be fully resurrected once again, and once again become "as are the angels," as were we in our original, first estates

together with our rightful place in the Eternity to come, in that third and final earth and Heaven Age...

Have you been reading Seth? I just read exactly this in the book The Nature of Personal Reality. Well not about the cherubim but about eating the fruit of the tree of life and self awareness changing our perceptions of what we experience. I will have to transcribe some of it here later tonight when I have time.

Agree. My truth is mine and yours is yours but they do intertwine because our essence comes from the same source. Forget all the religious rubbish and ponder this...Jesus said "but small is the gate and narrow is the path that leads to life for there are few who find it" "Wide is the path that leads to destruction" how narrow is that path? So narrow that only YOU can walk it. How many Christians are there in the world? Should I walk on thier path or my own? There is no hell and we only judge ourselves. You are free to believe and follow whichever path you choose. I choose my own.

OK, understood.

Here's a serious question for you.

What do you make of this?;

Leviticus 8, 1&2
1. And the Lord spake unto Moses saying,

2. Take Aaron and his sons with him, and the garments, and the anointing oil and the bullock for the sin offering and two rams and a basket of unleavened bread.

Amen...

Tikkun Olam literally means world repair. The evil action of the divide and conquer plans stops this from happening.


[link to www.myjewishlearning.com]

“Tikkun olam” (literally, “world repair”) has come to connote social action and the pursuit of social justice. Divine light became contained in special vessels, or kelim, some of which shattered and scattered. While most of the light returned to its divine source, some light attached itself to the broken shards. These shards constitute evil and are the basis for the material world; their trapped sparks of light give them power.
The first man, Adam, was intended to restore the divine sparks through mystical exercises, but his sin interfered. As a result, good and evil remained thoroughly mixed in the created world, and human souls (previously contained within Adam’s) also became imprisoned within the shards

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Many believe the Flood was an aeon cataclysm: the cataclysm that happens at the end of every age, the payment of the sins of that age, ushering in the next age and the new religion.

The movement of the age from the Age of Taurus (the bullock) into the age of Ares (the rams), making way for the the new Messiah of the age, Moses...

Aaron and his sons, the symbolism of man moving into the next age and the Eldest man consecrating of his place there in God's creation...

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Explain how your application of an esoteric meaning makes you anything other than just another type of gnostic.

Interesting theory OP. But why does it look like we're in hell sometimes..

critical line is as follows:

Adam
Shet (Seth)
’Enosh + sons and daughters
Keinan + sons and daughters
Mahalal’el + sons and daughters
Yared + sons and daughters
Khanoch + sons and daughters
Metushalakh + sons and daughters
Lamech + sons and daughters
Noakh (better known to us as Noah; see below)
Noah had 3 sons:

Shem (progenitor of Jews, Christians, and Muslims; see below)
Kham (progenitor of many of the enemies of the Israelites--Canaanites, Egyptians, Africans, etc.)
Yafet (progenitor of other peoples such as the Greeks, etc.)
Shem had 5 named sons plus additional sons and daughters.

’Eilam
’Ashur
’Arpachshad
Lud
’Aram
’Arpachshad had Shalakh who in turn had ’Ever who had 2 sons: Peleg and Yaktan.



Peleg had Re’u who had Serug who had Nakhor who had Terakh.



And, of course, Terakh had 3 sons:

’Avram (Abram, eventually to be called Abraham)
Nakhor
Haran
Noah is the 10th generation starting with Adam. And, Abraham is the 10th generation after Noah.



Gen. Ch. 3 & 4

Are we at an end of age?

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Wow, now that is quite an imaginative and convoluted interpretation.

Why isn't it simply what is written there. An account of something that happened. Read the rest of Leviticus 8. It is, apparently, a description of a ceremony. Nothing more.

Do Bible believers have to attach mystical explanations for everything in the Bible because if they take it as it is written(as in this example) they will have to admit that maybe something else is going on and that the "Lord" spoken of here who gives mundane instructions to people is not the "Lord" they think it is?

I dunno, for me it's when I'm not accepting God's will, trying to force my own, and I get out of harmony. It happens a lot.

Some things are harder to accept than others no doubt...

No, most Bible readers would take a strictly literal view of that, just like you did...

It's okay, your view is correct as well, the Bible is written in layers, literal to esoteric, various timelines all occurring at once in some cases...

After all, why do you suppose they were having this big offering and ceremony at the Tabernacle, why did the Lord command that?

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This is not eden...

So where is there a better planet more hospitable and perfected to this life form known as homo-sapien? Perhaps Eden is only a spiritual realm, I would agree if not for the passages about the Cherubim guarding the way from East and West with flaming sword...Sunrise and Sunset.

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The "why" of the ceremony is not the point. The "Lord" giving Moses mundane instructions is the issue.

Tell me this, please.

Consider the Universe and all that is in it and how it all works. Our human IQ averages 100. What level of IQ do you think it would take to create all things and make it work? That's not even mentioning the towering energy of a being that could do it.

So anything esoteric must be gnostic? I don't run from that definition, but I don't want to be encompassed by it either...

That's sort of a silly question...

An IQ test would be wholly inadequate to measure that type of entity, now wouldn't it?!?!?

How do you measure the IQ of a computer?!?!?

Not thinking in terms of IQ.

We need to be on the same “wavelength” with anything in order have the same quality.

Nature’s overall quality is the desire to give. nature gives in abundance.

Human's nature is one of “desire to receive delight and pleasure,” a desire to enjoy for ourselves alone. Our nature is self-centered and this is how we were made.

In order to understand, enjoy and rise above nature we must be in a place of giving and not just receiving. Not so easy.

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Also, I would disagree with the statement in bold, the Why of the thing is always of importance, even if we do something without question or out of instinct...

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It's quite a valid question and you answered it. Although any computer would have to pale in comparison to the intelligence that would be required to create all.

In the Bible there are many instances where the "Lord" speaks to humans. Often giving them instructions about practical and rather mundane matters. The "Lord" of the Bible seems to be very interested in the "generations" (DNA) of his creations, doesn't he?

Do you really think that the incomphrehensibly (to us) spiritually and energetically advanced Creator of All Things actually gave instructions to the people back then like a Dutch uncle or is much more reasonable to assume that a more advanced (to us) mortal being was talking to the people in the Bible. A being that would have seemed to be a god to them. Especially if it was the being that manipulated their DNA and created their physical form (not their souls/spirits)?

Don't this is paradise (that's later). This is merely the first step.

I'm the one making the point, aren't I?

Ahhh, Sitchen's Alien explanation, he wasn't even the first to consider that BTW, and I have nothing against Sitchen, I've watched several of his video's and I think he's done amazing work on our origins...

Perhaps what humans later termed "lesser gods" (like Thor or Aphrodite), or angels (like Gabriel, Lucifer, and Michael) were Aliens, or more advanced humans from "someplace else"...Nephilim the offspring thereof.

But even those Religions with lesser gods had a father God, or a Creator God.

There is a higher power, of that I have no doubt. I feel it, I see it's reason and purpose from time to time when I am still...

You are of course free to believe in the Alien Explanation, it's popular right now, I don't entirely discount it in fact I encompass some of it (DNA Modification, etc, etc), but much like popular literal Christianity, Lucifarianism, and every other Religion, it doesn't encompass the whole...

Who do you suppose created the Aliens after all?!?!?

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