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I think this was a very important time in history, some stories you hear about outlaws, lawman, villains, and heroes just sometimes isn't "the real story".

Here is one of my favorites, a person worth remembering:


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If you have not watched the video above, please do before reading what is next....



BILLY THE KID MAY HAVE NOT DIED ACCORDING TO HISTORY:


There was a man named Brushy Bill Roberts who claimed he was "Billy the Kid" years after "Billy the Kid's" so-called death.

Let's see the history between the two men, or should I say one man?? confused

- Brushy Bill Roberts (c. 1860 – December 27, 1950; claimed date of birth December 31, 1859) a.k.a. Ollie Partridge William Roberts, Ollie P. Roberts or Ollie L. Roberts, attracted attention by claiming to be the infamous western outlaw William H. Bonney, a.k.a. Billy the Kid.

- On October 31, 2014 some new information was published that claims to support certain aspects of Brushy Bill's story which included military and genealogical records and a new photographic comparison of a young Brushy Bill with the Billy the Kid ferrotype image.[4]

If Brushy Bill's story is true, then it would mean that the historical version of the Kid's death is incorrect, that Sheriff Pat Garrett may have shot a different person and allowed Billy the Kid to escape.

- In 1948, a paralegal named William Morrison located an elderly man named Joe Hines requesting the lands of his deceased brother. Hines had confessed his real name was Jesse Evans, who had vanished from public view after getting released from a Texas prison in 1882. Hines told Morrison of his experiences in the Lincoln County War with Billy the Kid who was killed by Sheriff Pat Garrett on July 14, 1881, but he stunned Morrison by claiming that the Kid was still alive and living near Hamilton, Texas under the name Ollie P. Roberts (nicknamed "Brushy Bill").

- Morrison began a correspondence with Roberts who eventually confessed to being the Kid and went into fine and intimate details of his exploits as an outlaw, filling in many details of the life of Billy the Kid.

- Roberts wanted Morrison's help in acquiring the full pardon he was promised by Governor Lew Wallace in 1879 but refused. He showed his ability to slip out of handcuffs, he also reported that Pat Garrett had actually shot and killed another gunslinger named Billy Barlow, passing his body off as the Kid, allowing him to vanish for Mexico. Five people who knew Billy signed affidavits that they identified Roberts and the Kid as one and the same.


- It should be noted that Billy the Kid had spoken Spanish fluently and could read and write (his letters to Governor Lew Wallace seeking a pardon still survive), but historians still argue over whether Brushy Bill was even literate. When Morrison took Brushy to visit with Severo Gallegos, Brushy spoke with Severo's Mexican neighbor, Josephine Sanchez, in perfect Spanish. Jim Tully signed an affidavit that Brushy could speak Spanish as well as a native.

Read more here:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]



It is something to look into, who knows maybe the guy Brushy Bill Roberts was really Billy the Kid! Billy the Kid may not have died at the young age of 19-21 that people thought!

Worth looking into!


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This might be a good metaphor for a lot of people here!
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This might be a good metaphor for a lot of people here!
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Going to have to watch that full movie now!
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Maybe I'll make a thread about the history of iPhones and shit... might get more hits!

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Very interesting...I really like the era of America's wild west...what a time to have been alive then...
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A few of my Favorites


Tom horn,
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Wild Bill Hickok,
Seth Bullock,
 Quoting: 4thhorseman


Good list, Butch Cassidy is a good one too!



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Well here you go! This is a good one!
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Deadwood was/is amazing, I wish they did another season...
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Deadwood was/is amazing, I wish they did another season...
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My fave show of ALL TIME. I miss it very much and it was left w/no type of ending. ::sighs:: :/
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Deadwood was/is amazing, I wish they did another season...
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My fave show of ALL TIME. I miss it very much and it was left w/no type of ending. ::sighs:: :/
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I know :( I haven't watched it in a while
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They say this story is a slightly fictionalized account of Charles Goodnight's and Oliver Loving's cattle drive. Battles depicted were accurate as well...from what I've read.

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A few of my Favorites


Tom horn,
Wyatt Earp,
Clay Alison,
Ben and Bill Thompson,
Wild Bill Hickok,
Seth Bullock,
 Quoting: 4thhorseman


k. got quite a bit of info on ole wyatt earp, doc holiday and the gang. some of it you've probably heard about in the history books and some of it you probably havent. (as a practicing wiccan some its pretty interesting, that is if you beleive in reincarnation.) anyway, i came across an old "conspiracy theory" about how Wyatt was once asked to help hunt Billy the Kid. given Wyatt's family home in Kansas with his first wife "Urilla" (sometimes i like to call her "rilla" just sounds natural.. ) during the lincoln county wars by none other Patrick Floyd Garret i wouldnt put this past wyatt to at least consider the venture. but if i know wyatt, publicly he would have said "no" but later on may have joined the hunt at some point. it was just who he was. trying to stay out of the spotlight as it were. after dodge city EVERYONE knew who he was and he just wanted to be a normal guy. so after he met Mattie Blaylock he moved to TOMBSTONE to try to seek his fortune and live in peace. unfortunately the cowboys in tombstone had other ideas. most of old man clantons boys were into illegal dealings and for some odd reason had something to prove by trying to bring the big dog down. now heres something you may not know. ever since i was 12 before i knew anything about gunslingers or law men or even the ok coral, when i heard doc holidays name for the first time i as like " how in the sams hell do i know that name?" so i looked him up ( in books) and found that his burial site was supposedly in glenwood springs colorado. in the late 1990's i caught an airing on tv of unsolved mysteries where a team of researchers tried to exhume his body and found nothing at the burial site, however the research team noted that he might still be buried on the property somewhere given that he died during the winter and that it would be likely very hard to move his body to the site given that it snows there in the winter. when i was 16 i made a trip out there with my family on a vacation going to alabama to visit family. as we got close as you could see the signs from the road - glenwood springs, i begged my parents to stop. they refused and as we passed the last highway sign i had a sinking feeling that he wasnt there at all. it was at that point that i i wanted to tell "an old friend farewell" and i thought it was odd becuase i never knew the guy in life. another thing - on that same trip on the way back home we stopped in Tombstone to do the touristy thing. my dad wanted to see the Ok coral. it was when i walked into the birdcage theater that got me - i felt like i had to duck just walking in the door. it felt like there were bullets whizzing past my head. i wasnt wrong cause as the tour started the tour guide who was behind the bar pointed to just behind me and said that there were bullet holes in the walls. i kept getting drawn to the back of the theater but at the time that area was closed for renovations. so we left and finally went to the coral. and for not knowing virtually anything about the layout i had to stop the tour guide and tell them that they had the dummies in the wrong place. couldnt tell anyone why i knew i just knew that they were facing the wrong direction. how could i have possibly known that unless i was there when everything went down??? most accounts of what happened both in the movies and in newspaper accounts is correct, and now i know this after extensive past life regression with some of my other friends and trust me its pretty wild, but i guess thats just my life(s). what i can tell you without giving identities away, is that the old gang is here all of us have been reincarnated and there are little things that tell us all who we were. my best friend in this life was my best friend in that life though we didnt know it when we met, we just kinda went along like peas and carrots, finishing each others sentences and the like. its defintely hard to see a post that you know is wrong and you desperately want to correct them but cant make them see what it is that theyre saying is wrong when you
cant explain it yourself without sounding batshit crazy. and yes, im still a nomad at heart. never could sit still for too long.

sorry if i got off topic but some of my experiences regarding certain individuals of the old west are just too wild not to talk about.
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I think this was a very important time in history, some stories you hear about outlaws, lawman, villains, and heroes just sometimes isn't "the real story".

Here is one of my favorites, a person worth remembering:




Anyone have any other documentaries they care to share, post here please, I've been in a Wild West mood lately!


:Wildwest:
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Fucking western saddle didn't even exist till like 1865,

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I think this was a very important time in history, some stories you hear about outlaws, lawman, villains, and heroes just sometimes isn't "the real story".

Here is one of my favorites, a person worth remembering:




Anyone have any other documentaries they care to share, post here please, I've been in a Wild West mood lately!


:Wildwest:
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i have more weirdness. i was just here talking about an association between Patrick FLoyd Garret and Wyatt Earp where Garret was asking for Earps assistance in catching Billy the kid. well i looked up brushy bill roberts wiki page and billy the kids wiki page and compared side by side. i know that the Govenor of New mexico feels that Mr. Roberts is NOT billy the kid and denied his claim for a second time. but what if it was right infront of our faces. William Henry Roberts and William Henry McCarty? both born in 1859 but only 1 month apart? also to attest to my weird life = i moved to san antonio texas 5 years ago due to lack of jobs in california during the great recession and until today i DID NOT know that Mr. Roberts passed away in HICO texas just in between san antonio and Austin off of highway 281.
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A few of my Favorites


Tom horn,
Wyatt Earp,
Clay Alison,
Ben and Bill Thompson,
Wild Bill Hickok,
Seth Bullock,
 Quoting: 4thhorseman


k. got quite a bit of info on ole wyatt earp, doc holiday and the gang. some of it you've probably heard about in the history books and some of it you probably havent. (as a practicing wiccan some its pretty interesting, that is if you beleive in reincarnation.) anyway, i came across an old "conspiracy theory" about how Wyatt was once asked to help hunt Billy the Kid. given Wyatt's family home in Kansas with his first wife "Urilla" (sometimes i like to call her "rilla" just sounds natural.. ) during the lincoln county wars by none other Patrick Floyd Garret i wouldnt put this past wyatt to at least consider the venture. but if i know wyatt, publicly he would have said "no" but later on may have joined the hunt at some point. it was just who he was. trying to stay out of the spotlight as it were. after dodge city EVERYONE knew who he was and he just wanted to be a normal guy. so after he met Mattie Blaylock he moved to TOMBSTONE to try to seek his fortune and live in peace. unfortunately the cowboys in tombstone had other ideas. most of old man clantons boys were into illegal dealings and for some odd reason had something to prove by trying to bring the big dog down. now heres something you may not know. ever since i was 12 before i knew anything about gunslingers or law men or even the ok coral, when i heard doc holidays name for the first time i as like " how in the sams hell do i know that name?" so i looked him up ( in books) and found that his burial site was supposedly in glenwood springs colorado. in the late 1990's i caught an airing on tv of unsolved mysteries where a team of researchers tried to exhume his body and found nothing at the burial site, however the research team noted that he might still be buried on the property somewhere given that he died during the winter and that it would be likely very hard to move his body to the site given that it snows there in the winter. when i was 16 i made a trip out there with my family on a vacation going to alabama to visit family. as we got close as you could see the signs from the road - glenwood springs, i begged my parents to stop. they refused and as we passed the last highway sign i had a sinking feeling that he wasnt there at all. it was at that point that i i wanted to tell "an old friend farewell" and i thought it was odd becuase i never knew the guy in life. another thing - on that same trip on the way back home we stopped in Tombstone to do the touristy thing. my dad wanted to see the Ok coral. it was when i walked into the birdcage theater that got me - i felt like i had to duck just walking in the door. it felt like there were bullets whizzing past my head. i wasnt wrong cause as the tour started the tour guide who was behind the bar pointed to just behind me and said that there were bullet holes in the walls. i kept getting drawn to the back of the theater but at the time that area was closed for renovations. so we left and finally went to the coral. and for not knowing virtually anything about the layout i had to stop the tour guide and tell them that they had the dummies in the wrong place. couldnt tell anyone why i knew i just knew that they were facing the wrong direction. how could i have possibly known that unless i was there when everything went down??? most accounts of what happened both in the movies and in newspaper accounts is correct, and now i know this after extensive past life regression with some of my other friends and trust me its pretty wild, but i guess thats just my life(s). what i can tell you without giving identities away, is that the old gang is here all of us have been reincarnated and there are little things that tell us all who we were. my best friend in this life was my best friend in that life though we didnt know it when we met, we just kinda went along like peas and carrots, finishing each others sentences and the like. its defintely hard to see a post that you know is wrong and you desperately want to correct them but cant make them see what it is that theyre saying is wrong when you
cant explain it yourself without sounding batshit crazy. and yes, im still a nomad at heart. never could sit still for too long.

sorry if i got off topic but some of my experiences regarding certain individuals of the old west are just too wild not to talk about.
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So who are you reincarnated then?
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Damn, I cant believe I didnt put him on my list..
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Clay Alison,
Ben and Bill Thompson,
Wild Bill Hickok,
Seth Bullock,
 Quoting: 4thhorseman


k. got quite a bit of info on ole wyatt earp, doc holiday and the gang. some of it you've probably heard about in the history books and some of it you probably havent. (as a practicing wiccan some its pretty interesting, that is if you beleive in reincarnation.) anyway, i came across an old "conspiracy theory" about how Wyatt was once asked to help hunt Billy the Kid. given Wyatt's family home in Kansas with his first wife "Urilla" (sometimes i like to call her "rilla" just sounds natural.. ) during the lincoln county wars by none other Patrick Floyd Garret i wouldnt put this past wyatt to at least consider the venture. but if i know wyatt, publicly he would have said "no" but later on may have joined the hunt at some point. it was just who he was. trying to stay out of the spotlight as it were. after dodge city EVERYONE knew who he was and he just wanted to be a normal guy. so after he met Mattie Blaylock he moved to TOMBSTONE to try to seek his fortune and live in peace. unfortunately the cowboys in tombstone had other ideas. most of old man clantons boys were into illegal dealings and for some odd reason had something to prove by trying to bring the big dog down. now heres something you may not know. ever since i was 12 before i knew anything about gunslingers or law men or even the ok coral, when i heard doc holidays name for the first time i as like " how in the sams hell do i know that name?" so i looked him up ( in books) and found that his burial site was supposedly in glenwood springs colorado. in the late 1990's i caught an airing on tv of unsolved mysteries where a team of researchers tried to exhume his body and found nothing at the burial site, however the research team noted that he might still be buried on the property somewhere given that he died during the winter and that it would be likely very hard to move his body to the site given that it snows there in the winter. when i was 16 i made a trip out there with my family on a vacation going to alabama to visit family. as we got close as you could see the signs from the road - glenwood springs, i begged my parents to stop. they refused and as we passed the last highway sign i had a sinking feeling that he wasnt there at all. it was at that point that i i wanted to tell "an old friend farewell" and i thought it was odd becuase i never knew the guy in life. another thing - on that same trip on the way back home we stopped in Tombstone to do the touristy thing. my dad wanted to see the Ok coral. it was when i walked into the birdcage theater that got me - i felt like i had to duck just walking in the door. it felt like there were bullets whizzing past my head. i wasnt wrong cause as the tour started the tour guide who was behind the bar pointed to just behind me and said that there were bullet holes in the walls. i kept getting drawn to the back of the theater but at the time that area was closed for renovations. so we left and finally went to the coral. and for not knowing virtually anything about the layout i had to stop the tour guide and tell them that they had the dummies in the wrong place. couldnt tell anyone why i knew i just knew that they were facing the wrong direction. how could i have possibly known that unless i was there when everything went down??? most accounts of what happened both in the movies and in newspaper accounts is correct, and now i know this after extensive past life regression with some of my other friends and trust me its pretty wild, but i guess thats just my life(s). what i can tell you without giving identities away, is that the old gang is here all of us have been reincarnated and there are little things that tell us all who we were. my best friend in this life was my best friend in that life though we didnt know it when we met, we just kinda went along like peas and carrots, finishing each others sentences and the like. its defintely hard to see a post that you know is wrong and you desperately want to correct them but cant make them see what it is that theyre saying is wrong when you
cant explain it yourself without sounding batshit crazy. and yes, im still a nomad at heart. never could sit still for too long.

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So who are you reincarnated then?
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This^^^ do tell, do tell!
If you people would like to learn about Earp and family or, Holiday read Earps Biography "Frontier Marshall" by Stuart N Lake.
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