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MonocyteOne (OP) User ID: 15041895 United States 05/17/2015 12:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I studied theology for seven years, to a doctorate level, including the Koine Greek Textus Receptus, the Masoretic Hebrew texts, and the Septuagint. Studied custom and culture of the ancient world and first century, as well as a scholarly assessment of reformed theology. Used to be Christian, and explored the theology of denominations ranging from Pentecostal to Calvinist, as well as some of the Roman Catholic Catechism. Though I certainly don't know everything, I probably know and understand more than 98% of so called 'believers'. Give me a break. Very happy to be done with the mesmer of religion. Last Edited by everLearner on 05/17/2015 12:23 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 69223438 Mexico 05/17/2015 12:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Religitards are those who read 1 line of Scripture and make a conclusion. Jeremiah 3 "Israel Is Shameless 3 “They say, ‘If a man divorces his wife, And she goes from him And becomes another man’s, May he return to her again?’ Would not that land be greatly polluted? But you have played the harlot with many lovers; Yet return to Me,” says the Lord. 2 “Lift up your eyes to the desolate heights and see: Where have you not lain with men? By the road you have sat for them Like an Arabian in the wilderness; And you have polluted the land With your harlotries and your wickedness. 3 Therefore the showers have been withheld, And there has been no latter rain. You have had a harlot’s forehead; You refuse to be ashamed. 4 Will you not from this time cry to Me, ‘My Father, You are the guide of my youth? 5 Will He remain angry forever? Will He keep it to the end?’ Behold, you have spoken and done evil things, As you were able.” A Call to Repentance 6 The Lord said also to me in the days of Josiah the king: “Have you seen what backsliding Israel has done? She has gone up on every high mountain and under every green tree, and there played the harlot. 7 And I said, after she had done all these things, ‘Return to Me.’ But she did not return. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it. 8 Then I saw that for all the causes for which backsliding Israel had committed adultery, I had put her away and given her a certificate of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but went and played the harlot also. 9 So it came to pass, through her casual harlotry, that she defiled the land and committed adultery with stones and trees. 10 And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah has not turned to Me with her whole heart, but in pretense,” says the Lord. 11 Then the Lord said to me, “Backsliding Israel has shown herself more righteous than treacherous Judah. 12 Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say: ‘Return, backsliding Israel,’ says the Lord; ‘I will not cause My anger to fall on you. For I am merciful,’ says the Lord; ‘I will not remain angry forever. 13 Only acknowledge your iniquity, That you have transgressed against the Lord your God, And have scattered your charms To alien deities under every green tree, And you have not obeyed My voice,’ says the Lord. 14 “Return, O backsliding children,” says the Lord; “for I am married to you. I will take you, one from a city and two from a family, and I will bring you to Zion. 15 And I will give you shepherds according to My heart, who will feed you with knowledge and understanding. 16 “Then it shall come to pass, when you are multiplied and increased in the land in those days,” says the Lord, “that they will say no more, ‘The ark of the covenant of the Lord.’ It shall not come to mind, nor shall they remember it, nor shall they visit it, nor shall it be made anymore. 17 “At that time Jerusalem shall be called The Throne of the Lord, and all the nations shall be gathered to it, to the name of the Lord, to Jerusalem. No more shall they follow the dictates of their evil hearts. 18 “In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given as an inheritance to your fathers. 19 “But I said: ‘How can I put you among the children And give you a pleasant land, A beautiful heritage of the hosts of nations?’ “And I said: ‘You shall call Me, “My Father,” And not turn away from Me.’ 20 Surely, as a wife treacherously departs from her husband, So have you dealt treacherously with Me, O house of Israel,” says the Lord. 21 A voice was heard on the desolate heights, Weeping and supplications of the children of Israel. For they have perverted their way; They have forgotten the Lord their God. 22 “Return, you backsliding children, And I will heal your backslidings.” “Indeed we do come to You, For You are the Lord our God. 23 Truly, in vain is salvation hoped for from the hills, And from the multitude of mountains; Truly, in the Lord our God Is the salvation of Israel. 24 For shame has devoured The labor of our fathers from our youth— Their flocks and their herds, Their sons and their daughters. 25 We lie down in our shame, And our reproach covers us. For we have sinned against the Lord our God, We and our fathers, From our youth even to this day, And have not obeyed the voice of the Lord our God.” #RELIGITARD |
MonocyteOne (OP) User ID: 15041895 United States 05/17/2015 12:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Religitards are those who read 1 line of Scripture and make a conclusion. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69223438 Jeremiah 3 "Israel Is Shameless 3 “They say, ‘If a man divorces his wife, And she goes from him And becomes another man’s, May he return to her again?’ Would not that land be greatly polluted? But you have played the harlot with many lovers; Yet return to Me,” says the Lord. 2 “Lift up your eyes to the desolate heights and see: Where have you not lain with men? By the road you have sat for them Like an Arabian in the wilderness; And you have polluted the land With your harlotries and your wickedness. 3 Therefore the showers have been withheld, And there has been no latter rain. You have had a harlot’s forehead; You refuse to be ashamed. 4 Will you not from this time cry to Me, ‘My Father, You are the guide of my youth? 5 Will He remain angry forever? Will He keep it to the end?’ Behold, you have spoken and done evil things, As you were able.” A Call to Repentance 6 The Lord said also to me in the days of Josiah the king: “Have you seen what backsliding Israel has done? She has gone up on every high mountain and under every green tree, and there played the harlot. 7 And I said, after she had done all these things, ‘Return to Me.’ But she did not return. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it. 8 Then I saw that for all the causes for which backsliding Israel had committed adultery, I had put her away and given her a certificate of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but went and played the harlot also. 9 So it came to pass, through her casual harlotry, that she defiled the land and committed adultery with stones and trees. 10 And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah has not turned to Me with her whole heart, but in pretense,” says the Lord. 11 Then the Lord said to me, “Backsliding Israel has shown herself more righteous than treacherous Judah. 12 Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say: ‘Return, backsliding Israel,’ says the Lord; ‘I will not cause My anger to fall on you. For I am merciful,’ says the Lord; ‘I will not remain angry forever. 13 Only acknowledge your iniquity, That you have transgressed against the Lord your God, And have scattered your charms To alien deities under every green tree, And you have not obeyed My voice,’ says the Lord. 14 “Return, O backsliding children,” says the Lord; “for I am married to you. I will take you, one from a city and two from a family, and I will bring you to Zion. 15 And I will give you shepherds according to My heart, who will feed you with knowledge and understanding. 16 “Then it shall come to pass, when you are multiplied and increased in the land in those days,” says the Lord, “that they will say no more, ‘The ark of the covenant of the Lord.’ It shall not come to mind, nor shall they remember it, nor shall they visit it, nor shall it be made anymore. 17 “At that time Jerusalem shall be called The Throne of the Lord, and all the nations shall be gathered to it, to the name of the Lord, to Jerusalem. No more shall they follow the dictates of their evil hearts. 18 “In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given as an inheritance to your fathers. 19 “But I said: ‘How can I put you among the children And give you a pleasant land, A beautiful heritage of the hosts of nations?’ “And I said: ‘You shall call Me, “My Father,” And not turn away from Me.’ 20 Surely, as a wife treacherously departs from her husband, So have you dealt treacherously with Me, O house of Israel,” says the Lord. 21 A voice was heard on the desolate heights, Weeping and supplications of the children of Israel. For they have perverted their way; They have forgotten the Lord their God. 22 “Return, you backsliding children, And I will heal your backslidings.” “Indeed we do come to You, For You are the Lord our God. 23 Truly, in vain is salvation hoped for from the hills, And from the multitude of mountains; Truly, in the Lord our God Is the salvation of Israel. 24 For shame has devoured The labor of our fathers from our youth— Their flocks and their herds, Their sons and their daughters. 25 We lie down in our shame, And our reproach covers us. For we have sinned against the Lord our God, We and our fathers, From our youth even to this day, And have not obeyed the voice of the Lord our God.” #RELIGITARD Exactly my point. Thanks for sharing. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15334873 United States 05/17/2015 12:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jeremiah 3:8 Quoting: MonocyteOne "And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also." Those who teach this are unknowingly and indirectly accusing God of being an adulterer, since he has his eyes on a young new bride called 'the church'. DEFINITION OF ADULTERY IS HERE [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69223438 Mexico 05/17/2015 12:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jeremiah 3:8 Quoting: MonocyteOne "And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also." Those who teach this are unknowingly and indirectly accusing God of being an adulterer, since he has his eyes on a young new bride called 'the church'. DEFINITION OF ADULTERY IS HERE [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Adultery isn't just about sex or marriage. Jeremiah 8:4-13 The Peril of False Teaching 4 “Moreover you shall say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord: “Will they fall and not rise? Will one turn away and not return? 5 Why has this people slidden back, Jerusalem, in a perpetual backsliding? They hold fast to deceit, They refuse to return. 6 I listened and heard, But they do not speak aright. No man repented of his wickedness, Saying, ‘What have I done?’ Everyone turned to his own course, As the horse rushes into the battle. 7 “Even the stork in the heavens Knows her appointed times; And the turtledove, the swift, and the swallow Observe the time of their coming. But My people do not know the judgment of the Lord. 8 “How can you say, ‘We are wise, And the law of the Lord is with us’? Look, the false pen of the scribe certainly works falsehood. 9 The wise men are ashamed, They are dismayed and taken. Behold, they have rejected the word of the Lord; So what wisdom do they have? 10 Therefore I will give their wives to others, And their fields to those who will inherit them; Because from the least even to the greatest Everyone is given to covetousness; From the prophet even to the priest Everyone deals falsely. 11 For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of My people slightly, Saying, ‘Peace, peace!’ When there is no peace. 12 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? No! They were not at all ashamed, Nor did they know how to blush. Therefore they shall fall among those who fall; In the time of their punishment They shall be cast down,” says the Lord. 13 “I will surely consume them,” says the Lord. “No grapes shall be on the vine, Nor figs on the fig tree, And the leaf shall fade; And the things I have given them shall pass away from them.”’” |
MonocyteOne (OP) User ID: 15041895 United States 05/17/2015 01:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jeremiah 3:8 Quoting: MonocyteOne "And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also." Those who teach this are unknowingly and indirectly accusing God of being an adulterer, since he has his eyes on a young new bride called 'the church'. DEFINITION OF ADULTERY IS HERE [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Adultery isn't just about sex or marriage. Jeremiah 8:4-13 The Peril of False Teaching 4 “Moreover you shall say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord: “Will they fall and not rise? Will one turn away and not return? 5 Why has this people slidden back, Jerusalem, in a perpetual backsliding? They hold fast to deceit, They refuse to return. 6 I listened and heard, But they do not speak aright. No man repented of his wickedness, Saying, ‘What have I done?’ Everyone turned to his own course, As the horse rushes into the battle. 7 “Even the stork in the heavens Knows her appointed times; And the turtledove, the swift, and the swallow Observe the time of their coming. But My people do not know the judgment of the Lord. 8 “How can you say, ‘We are wise, And the law of the Lord is with us’? Look, the false pen of the scribe certainly works falsehood. 9 The wise men are ashamed, They are dismayed and taken. Behold, they have rejected the word of the Lord; So what wisdom do they have? 10 Therefore I will give their wives to others, And their fields to those who will inherit them; Because from the least even to the greatest Everyone is given to covetousness; From the prophet even to the priest Everyone deals falsely. 11 For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of My people slightly, Saying, ‘Peace, peace!’ When there is no peace. 12 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? No! They were not at all ashamed, Nor did they know how to blush. Therefore they shall fall among those who fall; In the time of their punishment They shall be cast down,” says the Lord. 13 “I will surely consume them,” says the Lord. “No grapes shall be on the vine, Nor figs on the fig tree, And the leaf shall fade; And the things I have given them shall pass away from them.”’” You're right in that adultery isn't all about sex. But it is all about marriage. The main context of 'adultery' in scripture is specifically 'spiritual adultery', or Israel and/or The Church whoring around on their husband-father-god with other religions/cultures/belief systems, which boils down to 'mixing truth with lie', or believer with unbeliever - the cup of fornication of the Whore of Babylon. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 41934451 Iceland 05/18/2015 12:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Remarriage after a divorce is an adultery is a false doctrine. Adultery in the bible is defined being the sexual relation between a married woman and a man that is not her husband. Once the woman was divorced, she was free to marry again. There is also a law which states that a man shouldn't remarry his divorced wife if she had married another and divorced him also. People should also take notice that there is a difference between divorcing your woman and putting her away. One is lawful in God's eyes and the other isn't. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 48403404 United States 05/18/2015 12:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Remarriage after a divorce is an adultery is a false doctrine. Adultery in the bible is defined being the sexual relation between a married woman and a man that is not her husband. Once the woman was divorced, she was free to marry again. There is also a law which states that a man shouldn't remarry his divorced wife if she had married another and divorced him also. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41934451 People should also take notice that there is a difference between divorcing your woman and putting her away. One is lawful in God's eyes and the other isn't. Jesus speaking... 31 “It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’[f] 32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 736969 Puerto Rico 05/18/2015 12:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you realize how stupid and contradictory it all is? Give it the fuck up trying to rationalize and figure out a convoluted unsolvable puzzle meant to keep you in perpetual angst and mental quandary, and just BE, life for life's sake.... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 69262686 United States 05/18/2015 02:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I posted this on the original thread which was asserting that claim. Was told "Don't speak of things you do not understand", and immediately banned... lol. Quoting: MonocyteOne I studied theology for seven years, to a doctorate level, including the Koine Greek Textus Receptus, the Masoretic Hebrew texts, and the Septuagint. Studied custom and culture of the ancient world and first century, as well as a scholarly assessment of reformed theology. Used to be Christian, and explored the theology of denominations ranging from Pentecostal to Calvinist, as well as some of the Roman Catholic Catechism. Though I certainly don't know everything, I probably know and understand more than 98% of so called 'believers'. Give me a break. Very happy to be done with the mesmer of religion. Wow quite a list you have there. Well, I suppose you at least get to embody a scripture from God's Word: 1 Corinthians 2:14 ESV "The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned." Oh, and: Proverbs 1:22 ESV “How long, O simple ones, will you love being simple? How long will scoffers delight in their scoffing and fools hate knowledge?" Oh, sorry but you have "knowledge", I forgot. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 64704897 United States 05/18/2015 02:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so what about the scripture that says.. matt 5:28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. according to this, all porn watchers are adulterers. If a woman catches her husband continually doing this, she has grounds for divorce. God is not for unyoked marriages. Why should she live a lie? Why should she be in debt to a adulterer till he finally croaks? How many people stay where they are not really loved or wanted? |
MonocyteOne (OP) User ID: 15041895 United States 05/19/2015 10:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I posted this on the original thread which was asserting that claim. Was told "Don't speak of things you do not understand", and immediately banned... lol. Quoting: MonocyteOne I studied theology for seven years, to a doctorate level, including the Koine Greek Textus Receptus, the Masoretic Hebrew texts, and the Septuagint. Studied custom and culture of the ancient world and first century, as well as a scholarly assessment of reformed theology. Used to be Christian, and explored the theology of denominations ranging from Pentecostal to Calvinist, as well as some of the Roman Catholic Catechism. Though I certainly don't know everything, I probably know and understand more than 98% of so called 'believers'. Give me a break. Very happy to be done with the mesmer of religion. Wow quite a list you have there. Well, I suppose you at least get to embody a scripture from God's Word: 1 Corinthians 2:14 ESV "The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned." Oh, and: Proverbs 1:22 ESV “How long, O simple ones, will you love being simple? How long will scoffers delight in their scoffing and fools hate knowledge?" Oh, sorry but you have "knowledge", I forgot. Hilarious. First of all, you come along quoting from the English Standard Version which is based on the Alexandrian Wescott & Hort text, a wadded up mistranslation found in a pile of refuse. Second, you wrench Corinthians completely out of context and apply it pejoratively against someone who studies scripture. Third, and most humorous, with a tired cliche it seems you attempt to imply that a studious treatment of scripture is insufficient, because, based on your weak interpretation, 'the spirit' didn't reveal the true meaning to me - likely because I don't hold the same ignorant view of scripture as you. Go do some word study, textual criticism and get back to me in a few years. If you really believe the bible is the Word of God, then you'd better try to figure out what it really says through research and painstaking study, instead of depending on a magical voice in your head to give you a magical interpretation, aka your own fleshly imagination which you probably conveniently call 'The Spirit'. Last Edited by everLearner on 05/19/2015 11:04 AM |