EPA Grants Itself Power To Regulate Ponds, Ditches, Puddles

this is called "fuck you"

own private land? not anymore...

none of us own SHIT and has never been private

Interesting....

An interstate highway is going in near us and as this has been built for the last 2 years, I've seen all of these little signs beside the road saying "waters of the united states". It looked like they were just marking ditches.

Now I know what the signs are for... Just your friendly EPA grabbing control of everything in sight.

Last Edited by Earl of Grey on 05/28/2015 09:16 PM

Any rain that falls on my property, or any water that runs across or through it, is mine... Its just that simple....Fuck you

So I guess you didn't read the article?

Well then lets go all the way,I will even pee in their lakes,ponds and ditches if they want to control all the water.

They hate us for our freedoms!

This is a HUGE DEAL!!

It has been in the works for some time ... and the Comments AGAINST it during the comment period came fast and furious from all corners.

Basically it gets the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT involved at every step of the way for EVERY DEVELOPMENT, including building (or draining) ANY farm pond, installing (or taking out) drainage ditches, building ANY larger building (including houses, barns, etc.) that are located outside of established city boundaries.

This IS a huge POWER GRAB by the Federal Government, but one should NOT be surprised by it since after all the REPUBLICANS ALREADY started us on the accelerated Federal Government POWER GRAB with their wonderful "PATRIOT ACT".

If they so much as glance at my puddle it's on like donkey kong

^ This ^

Agenda 21 rears it's head again.

John Boner? This week he's against?

Unlawful legislation that violates constitution and your own common sense/common law as well, is null and void at conception, it doesnt exist, and is a crime to enforce, according to Supreme Court, and International Law that hung nazi's by the neck until dead for obeying their laws, which violated all common sense. Each person had to veto the false thing.

They know this.

Do Not Follow Bad Orders. If corrupt police or judges get involved go sovereign.

Last Edited by Sungaze_At_Dawn on 05/28/2015 09:27 PM

Yes, dumbass, I read the article. And my original statement stands, with the new regulations or old ones I will do what the fuck I want.

You have the right to rent your land, but if you don't pay taxes one year ever. or we decide they need it, fuck you we're taking it!

Oh, and you can't

dig a pond
ride your quad and bug the neighbors
let your dog bark
dig a well
build anything we don't like
build anything without an expensive permit
have a bonfire
...and that's for people out in the country with "freedom"

If you're in a suburb or even worse a HOA, you can't change a light bulb without their approval.

The beast government must lay claim to all resources. Water, food, anything that was put here for a human to exist, the beast wants under its control.


This is what the digital system if for, and it will be employed to control all resources.

True story. I built a house a couple miles out of town and moved in last year. A pretty affluent area in the midwest, where the suburbs end and the country begins.

bullshit I dealt with:

Almost 4 grand worth of permits for a 300k house. Plumbing, building, septic, city water hookup, mechanical, HVAC......unbelievable.

I acted as my own general contractor. They made it clear from day one they didn't like this.

There was an existing well, the old farm house was torn down and gone. I wanted to use it to water lawn etc. City water was run for my house. I couldn't keep the well. They said I had to fill it in. Ok then. I'll fill it. No, they said, it has to be capped by a certified well driller. If you fill it we'll have you arrested for "tampering with ground water". Exact words they used.

A whole list of other BS.

Then I move in. They assess me at 407k, which is 98k more than the bank and a realtor valued it at. I appeal, twice, and they lower it to 346k. Now i have to appeal to the state, in the meantime my property taxes are way more than they should be.

bunch of asshats.

[link to waterkeeper.org]


This article says that “The scope of jurisdiction in this rule is narrower than that under the existing regulation. Fewer waters will be defined as ‘waters of the United States’ under the rule than under the existing regulations, in part because the rule puts important qualifiers on some existing categories such as tributaries.”

To my understanding there will now be less protections for streams and rivers and a narrowing of jurisdiction.

Unless you start a church

HA....if that was my well that cap would come off as soon as they were gone. I'd make it look like it wasn't, though.

I'm curious....how did they "cap" it? Did they weld a cover over it? Is it artesian or was it pumped?

It is illegal to collect rainwater or even snow-melt here in Colorado.
Ways around it though.

1. You can bury the barrels and camouflage the spout tube from the roof or wherever. Siphon pump for usage.

2. You can label the barrels "Fire Water" in big bright letters. They can't touch that. Only works if you live rural though.

Still places exist that are beautiful, land is fair for price, and people/government mind their own bees-wax business.
City-Data forums is a good tool.

Sacrifice the so called amenities for a sense of freedom.

Just like the irs is voluntary compliance.

The government doesn't give up control.

So if you want to drain one of them that crosses your property, you'd better get rid of those "WOTUS" signs first.

Just the next iteration in "Just Say No to....

K E Y S T O N E


And another source of revenue for the government when they fine or tax you or make you purchase a license for what falls out of the air.

That's next, you wait.

Tax on the very air we breathe.

When I lived in Chicago I got the impression that there's a lot of this sort of slavery. Now that I am in the NYC suburbs I don't get that feeling.

I'd wait a few days before uncapping that well but yes, of course I'd find a way to uncap it or run a pipe into your basement underground from under the cap. Fortunately they said cap it not fill it in.

Let me go make a puddle for them to "regulate."

Since I live on the east coast, they would have a hard time taxing my rainwater. I own rights to the air above my land via my title.

Out west, the titles typically do not include such air rights or mineral rights. You get much less rights with a title out west, I guess because the whole place is essentially a desert and the government wants ultimate ability to control the precious water.

the government is to large, when they all grow so large they commit crimes against their own citizens.


smaller governments are the best

Their next regulation will be to declare you their property because the human body is over 90% water.

They had to pour the whole 180 feet full of cement. Bastards.

Wow, that's environmentally friendly. Now you have a 18 story tower of solid cement stuck into the ground.