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Scientists claiming to have found indications of the survival of human consciousness after death have aroused hostility and derision from fellow scientists

Mark Henderson – Times Online September 6, 2006

Scientists claiming to have evidence of life after death and the powers of telepathy triggered a furious row at Britain’s premier science festival yesterday. Organisers of the British Association for the Advancement of Science (the BA) were accused of lending credibility to maverick theories on the paranormal by allowing the highly controversial research to be aired unchallenged.

Leading members of the science establishment criticised the BA’s decision to showcase papers purporting to demonstrate telepathy and the survival of human consciousness after someone dies. They said that such ideas, which are widely rejected by experts, had no place in the festival without challenge from sceptics.

The disputed session featured research from Rupert Sheldrake, an independent biologist who is funded by Trinity College, Cambridge, that claims to have found evidence that some people know telepathically who is calling them before they answer the telephone.

Other presentations came from Peter Fenwick, a doctor who thinks deathbed visions suggest that consciousness survives when people die, and from Deborah Delanoy of the University of Hertfordshire, whose work suggests that people can affect the bodies of others by thinking about them.

Critics including Lord Winston and Sir Walter Bodmer, both former presidents of the BA, expressed particular alarm that the three speakers were allowed to hold a promotional press conference. Some said telepathy has already been found wanting in experiments, and had no place at a scientific meeting.

“Work in this field is a complete waste of time,” said Peter Atkins, Professor of Chemistry at the University of Oxford. “Although it is politically incorrect to dismiss ideas out of hand, in this case there is absolutely no reason to suppose that telepathy is anything more than a charlatan’s fantasy. ”

Other scientists said that while discussion of the subject was acceptable, the panel’s lack of balance was like inviting creationists to address the prestigious meeting without an opposing view from evolutionary biologists. Several members of the BA said that they would raise the matter with its ruling council.

Sir Walter, a geneticist and cancer researcher, said: “I’m amazed that the BA has allowed it to happen in this way. You have got to be careful not to suppress ideas, even if they are beyond the pale, but it’s quite inappropriate to have a session like that without putting forward a more convincing view. It’s extremely important in cases like this, especially for the BA which represents science and which people expect to believe, to provide a proper balancing counter-argument.”

Lord Winston, the fertility specialist, said: “It is perfectly reasonable to have a session like this, but it should be robustly challenged by scientists who work in accredited psychological fields. It’s something the BA should consider, whether a session like this should go unchallenged by regular scientists.”

Richard Wiseman, Professor of Psychology at the University of Hertfordshire, who is a sceptical researcher of the paranormal, said: “The issue is about controversy and balance in science. This is not a balanced panel. Whether paranormal phenomena are a reality is an intellectual discussion. But it is the principle that is important. If the issue was race and intelligence, and you had three people saying one race are less intelligent than another, that would be outrageous.”

Chris French, Professor of Psychology at Goldsmiths College, University of London, a sceptic of the paranormal, joined a panel discussion, but did not present a paper or attend the press briefing.

The event was organised by the Scientific and Medical Network, an organisation with about 3,000 members dedicated to “exploring the interface of science, medicine and spirituality”. The Royal Society, Britain’s national academy of science, said it “lies far from the scientific mainstream and the list of speakers reflect this”.

Helen Haste, chairwoman of the BA’s programme organising committee, said that all three speakers have proper academic credentials and that though their work is controversial, it is conducted in a rigorous, scholarly fashion. Professor French’s presence at the panel discussion would allow for sceptical dissent to be heard, though it was unfortunate he was not at the press event, she said. “We feel at the BA that we should be open to discussions or debates that are seen as valid by people inside the scientific community, as long as they are addressed in acceptable ways. These seem to be phenomena that are commonly experienced but have not been subjected particularly effectively to scientific investigation. It is a legitimate area of research. I do think it’s appropriate at a festival like this to have people who are serious about their approach and experimental methods.”

The BA, which celebrates its 175th anniversary this year, is a charity that seeks to advance public understanding, accessibility and accountability of the sciences and engineering. Its annual meeting, which is being held this year at the University of East Anglia in Norwich, has often caused controversy, most notably in 1860 when Thomas Huxley championed Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution against Samuel Wilberforce, the Bishop of Oxford.

When asked whether he thought that he was descended from apes on his mother’s or father’s side, Huxley responded: “I would rather be descended from an ape than a bishop.”
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Secret science already works with telepathy since decades so their comments are nothing but cant:

SYNTHETIC TELEPATHY AND THE EARLY MIND WARS

Introduction

I first became aware of Allan H. Frey's work at Willow Grove in 1972, just after completing "The Holographic Concept of Reality." I was working with Dr. Carl Scheicher (MRU) at the time, and was asked about the significance of this work. Realizing its possible use in mind control, my first reaction was to go on "red alert."

Full significance was not yet understood at this time. Basically, Frey had discovered another sensory motor input in the higher blue-band frequencies of 0.3-3.0 GHz. - at very low amplitudes of power. It was "as if" we had another type of "vision," but did not know how to "see" what was being received. It constituted the next generation of subliminal communications.

My work at the time was involved with an AI database for paranormal references (Project Parafile). A second paper was also presented at the Omniversal Symposium, California State College at Sonoma, (September 29, 1973). This was titled "Embryonic Holography," and was an application of "The Holographic Concept of Reality" model. It dealt with biogenesis and neurological regeneration, and included speculation on the origins of cancer, faith healing, psychic surgery and more technical aspects of mind-body energetics.

One week after the delivery of that paper, four men came into my place of business, two in suits and two in full Army dress. The two suits held me under close arrest, while the two Army personnel went through my files, pulling anything related to "Embryonic Holography." The paper was rewritten from old notes and memory, but it was not the same.

What got this paper classified "top secret" for almost 20 years was that it was critical for the use of Allan Frey's study, and its possible application to mind control. I never was able to draw what was so important in that initial paper until I began researching this paper, more than 24 years later. I will discuss those aspects further into this document.

In 1961, Allan Frey, a freelance biophysicist and engineering psychologist, reported that humans could hear microwaves. Most United States scientists dismissed this discovery as the result of outside noise.

James C. Linn offered a more technical description of the experiment.

"Frey found that human subjects exposed to 1310 MHz and 2982 MHz microwaves at average power densities of 0.4 to 2 mW/cm2 perceived auditory sensations described as buzzing or knocking sounds. The sensation occurred instantaneously at average incident power densities well below that necessary for known biological damage and appeared to originate from within or near the back of the head."

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"The Royal Society, Britain’s national academy of science, said it “lies far from the scientific mainstream and the list of speakers reflect this”.

Ha! Ha! That's nonsense. I am a full member of the SMN and such membership is by invitation only by well-established, accredited scientists or medical doctors. There are 1000s of scientists with doctorates who belong to the SMN, many of whom are leading researchers in their field, including several Nobel-Prize winners.
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Of course they must downplay it.

The new paradigma casts it's shadows ahead.
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Other presentations came from Peter Fenwick, a doctor who thinks deathbed visions suggest that consciousness survives when people die
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Peter Fenwick is one of the great pioneers in the field of afterlife research. It takes inceedible and extremely rare courage for any MD to stand up to the medical establishment on these issues, and Fenwick has. I strongly endorse his work, and recommend his books to all who are interested.

In a world brimming with cruel horrors, this sort of work is one of the brightest spots I know. These pioneers are my own personal heroes, and I think history will recognize them as some of the bravest and brightest figures of our age.

- Peter
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Maybe the skeptic materialists can accept it easier by realizing, EVERYTHING has a scientific explanation, it's just that science hasn't yet found all the explanations. They will in time. 'Super'natural is not something to be afraid of, it's all part of natural laws that just haven't been discovered yet.
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science will not accept spiritual realities
because spirit can't be measured with physical tools
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says who, you ? we've come a long way in the past 10 years in technology - there ARE tools that can sense so-called 'spiritual energy' - you better do some research before making statements like that.
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I think this has more to do with scientists WANTING everything to stay the same way it was when they learned it.

For some of these people, learning the say, Telepathy is real, would mean EVERYTHING they have ever done is actually wrong.

That is a hard thing for people to except! For some of these people it means their lifes work is trash.

Of COURSE they are going to try and deny such things. Few are the people that would look at new facts that change everything and just start over.
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I think this has more to do with scientists WANTING everything to stay the same way it was when they learned it.

For some of these people, learning the say, Telepathy is real, would mean EVERYTHING they have ever done is actually wrong.

That is a hard thing for people to except! For some of these people it means their lifes work is trash.

Of COURSE they are going to try and deny such things. Few are the people that would look at new facts that change everything and just start over.
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Very True.....
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Lord Winston
Sir Walter Bodmer, both former presidents of the BA,
Peter Atkins, Professor of Chemistry at the University of OxfordLord
Richard Wiseman, Professor of Psychology at the University of Hertfordshire,
Chris French, Professor of Psychology at Goldsmiths College, University of London,
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Prol'ly all went home and sacrificed a goat.
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And, remember anyone in England called "SIR" or Lord is likely OLD....

The old guard so to speak. The fact is, none of these people have EVER done scientific work in this area, no skeptic really does...

So, their claim of work having proven this false is just a lie. There are a few non-conclusive studies, but there are so many conclusion ones that this is VASTLY proven to be a real phenomenon.

What IS amazing here, is that I believe this is one of the first, if not THE first, time that such papers have ever been presented in front of a scientific body.
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“Work in this field is a complete waste of time,” said Peter Atkins, Professor of Chemistry at the University of Oxford. “Although it is politically incorrect to dismiss ideas out of hand, in this case there is absolutely no reason to suppose that telepathy is anything more than a charlatan’s fantasy. ”



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LOL!

Maybe someone should e-mail them this.

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lol

It looks like this truth is passing through it's second stage ...

lol

i love it when scientists get fucking uppity about themselves

they all know they are paid to push bullshit and keep quiet, excellent news OP, once all the beardy weirdys who wear their labspecs at home and while shopping are gone from the medical/science fields they can rebirth themselves in the correct method

lol
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“Work in this field is a complete waste of time,” said Peter Atkins, Professor of Chemistry at the University of Oxford. “Although it is politically incorrect to dismiss ideas out of hand, in this case there is absolutely no reason to suppose that telepathy is anything more than a charlatan’s fantasy. ”

who knew scientists could be so stupid?
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If you want proof of life after death...


Check out Frederic Myers...





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Frederic Myers - Proof of Life After Death





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" who knew scientists could be so stupid? "

It's actually not stupidity but part of the big cover up.
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the mix of science and spirituality is how the illuminati began...it was corrupted by the ones who didn't want this to be know. Still goes on.
thank you
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NDE's and OBE's are real and so is afterlife

but things of only spirital are hard and sometimes impossible to prove scientifically

peoples must learn that not all that is not scientifically provable is a lie or farytale

We are far more than flesh and our brain is not more than the interface between soul and body

I just stated the facts now and to undermine those there is more than enough inforation avaiable. It is up to you to get behind this truths (and many more to discover)!
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Because instead of science and religion working againest one another, they should both work towards the same goal together!
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