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SUPREME COURT UPHOLDS OBAMACARE SUBSIDIES

 
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Oh, the patronizing approach, are you poor? How about this hotshot, my wife had open heart surgery after going into cardiac arrest, out of the blue with no other health problems, this was with private insurance last year, not Obama care. Due to Obama care, she is able to get insurance, without it, she would never have been able to get decent insurance after the heart surgery (preexisting condition), so much of our hard earned assets would have likely ended up in some greed hound MD's pocket after another catastrophic medical event. Millions are able to get insurance that couldn't before, whether due to affordability, or, as in my wife's case, due to Obama care not allowing insurance rejection due to a prior condition. As flawed as Obama care is, and it is flawed, for millions, it is life saver, and there is at least a chance that it will be improved - it is a significant improvement, for many millions over what preceeded it. So take your patronizing smug nonsense and piss off.
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Before obamacare she could have kept the insurance she had after the heart surgery. If she had decent insurance before she could have kept it.

Sounds like you had shitty insurance, and now with obamacare you expect 5 star coverage subsidized by the government.
 Quoting: Copperhead


Total utter nonsense. We had excellent mainline insurance. The insurance companies routinely denied coverage prior to Obama Care for preexisting conditions, which included getting sick during coverage and not renewing coverage. We've lived in several states, had the best available insurance in those states, and the common contract for coverage was for one year, which, the insurance company was free to not renew. Maybe you work for the Govt? The only people I know who didn't have to worry about getting kicked off or priced out due to a preexisting condition were people who worked for either major corps in executive positions, or govt. workers, every self employed person I know faced the same hurdles. There was a reason why hundreds of thousands went bankrupt yearly due to medical expenses, many with insurance. Maybe your not in the USA?
Wherever you are, you haven't a clue about how medical insurance worked prior to Obama care.
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Self employed in the US and I know damn well how insurance worked before obamacare. You are full of democrat hyperbole and talking points.
 Quoting: Copperhead


Has nothing to do with Democrats, it's how the system worked and to some extent still works. We had top tier insurance and that is how they did business and it's why so many people were going bankrupt. If you live long enough chances are virtually certain you'll have a major medical expense and at least in the past, that event, assuming you survived, would likely have precluded you from getting insurance, unless you worked for the govt.., or some flush corp. with a great group plan, those are facts, not Demo talking points.
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Thank God! :) I need my health insurance.
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Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE that cares about this country, the constitution, and the rule of law needs to DEMAND that chief Roberts resign him position immediately. Then carry it a step further and DEMAND that those currently subverting same be incarcerated, tried, and if found guilty, sentenced appropriately. High treason in this country truly is worse than murder, and those committing it without abandon need to be shown why.
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Been there. Done that. I was ignored. Judas Roberts betrayed this country and assumed authority the constitution does not give any judge but reserves only for the congress in 2010. I called then and it didn't matter. I'll call tomorrow when the offices open and rant away, but it still won't matter because they really couldn't care less what the prols think let alone what actual law is. Well, unless it's a law that really matters to them, at the time, with the right amount of corporate donations to defend it.

Also, the House has the same constitutional authority to impeach judges (and the Senate to remove them) as it does presidents and they have actually impeached judges more often in the past. Today's congresses would never exercise that authority on proper constitutional principles though because they don't have any.
 Quoting: Resister


I've done the same, and appealed to my representatives to act as well (with success on some issues). That said, they truly do live in a bubble up there, and the only way to pop it is if we all do the same. They react to constituent calls and appeals, but the really big issues they don't want to touch takes an army of constituents to sway them from their handlers.

Don't stop, because I am confident that many more will be joining us in the coming months.
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I honestly have completely lost faith in the ability of the people, the good ones anyway, to make much if any real difference in what Washington DC does. Oh, I do still call and write my representatives and senators... in vein. At least my rep who was one of the freshmen class of 2010 seems to be a very good guy. I like him. He does seem to get it, but he walks a tightrope with Speaker Boehner too. The truly overwhelming majority of both the House and almost all of the Senate are NWO oligarchs who are more concerned with protecting their finger in the pie of power than they ever will be of whatever the law or the general public says.

I do still call. I won't quit, but I am completely disillusioned with the idea that it will stem the tide of lawlessness and restore the republic.

We need a real only-God-could-do-that miracle friend. Only thing that will bring that is prayer and repentance. It's what we should have done all along. It is getting harder and harder to pray for forgiveness and mercy for our country and easier and easier to pray for protection from the coming judgment.

Lord, please give me bread, butter, and bullets... and please Lord protect me from having to use the bullets.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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Well, gee whiz, it's unfortunate the world doesn't revolve around you. If my understanding is correct, your premiums shouldn't go up unless your income goes up, as premiums are based on a percentage of income. Who, or how they pay for increased insurance costs, I don't know, but there is a maximum that a person is required to pay based on income. We need single payer, expanded medicare for all, and at least Obama care is a step in that direction.
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I have private insurance, not obamacare. It's going up because of all the mandated coverage they tacked on to all the plans.

I don't suckle at the government teet.
 Quoting: Copperhead


Sure you do, everyone does to some extent, unless your living in a cave somewhere and are living off the land. So you going to not use medicare when you turn 65? Drive on a freeway lately? Maybe you can get a better deal through Obamacare. I was dead set against getting it, but having switched due to having a prior condition, it's turned out better than what we had. Insurance rates were going through the roof prior to Obama care, so I wouldn't assume your rates wouldn't have gone up anyway, they probably would have. Over the last ten years our rates more than
quadrupled, at least with Obamacare the rates are tied to income and have a max.
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Medicare; Been paying into that by force of law since 1978.
Driving on freeways; Been paying gas taxes since 1978.


Self employed and pay 15.3% for SS and Medicaid, due each quarter on top of federal and state income taxes.

Sorry, but I won't sign up for obamacare, and if I did I would get no subsidies from the hard working taxpayers.
 Quoting: Copperhead


Fine, get out a pencil and calculate whether your usage correlates to what you paid in, bet it doesn't. And when you get your medicare and you run up seven figures in costs, way beyond your contribution, be sure to pull the plug on your life support. Part of living in a civilized society is having some sense of community, sharing costs and risks, and accepting that maybe you'll take more than you gave, or maybe not, in which case you can consider yourself lucky for not having a costly medical issue. Right now, and in the recent past, the medical business and insurance co's have taken far more than their fair share, Obama care was a tiny step in trying to balance the accounts, small step and deeply flawed, but better than nothing. Single payer is what is needed and at least Obamacare is an inch in that direction.
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I have private insurance, not obamacare. It's going up because of all the mandated coverage they tacked on to all the plans.

I don't suckle at the government teet.
 Quoting: Copperhead


Sure you do, everyone does to some extent, unless your living in a cave somewhere and are living off the land. So you going to not use medicare when you turn 65? Drive on a freeway lately? Maybe you can get a better deal through Obamacare. I was dead set against getting it, but having switched due to having a prior condition, it's turned out better than what we had. Insurance rates were going through the roof prior to Obama care, so I wouldn't assume your rates wouldn't have gone up anyway, they probably would have. Over the last ten years our rates more than
quadrupled, at least with Obamacare the rates are tied to income and have a max.
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Medicare; Been paying into that by force of law since 1978.
Driving on freeways; Been paying gas taxes since 1978.


Self employed and pay 15.3% for SS and Medicaid, due each quarter on top of federal and state income taxes.

Sorry, but I won't sign up for obamacare, and if I did I would get no subsidies from the hard working taxpayers.
 Quoting: Copperhead


Fine, get out a pencil and calculate whether your usage correlates to what you paid in, bet it doesn't. And when you get your medicare and you run up seven figures in costs, way beyond your contribution, be sure to pull the plug on your life support. Part of living in a civilized society is having some sense of community, sharing costs and risks, and accepting that maybe you'll take more than you gave, or maybe not, in which case you can consider yourself lucky for not having a costly medical issue. Right now, and in the recent past, the medical business and insurance co's have taken far more than their fair share, Obama care was a tiny step in trying to balance the accounts, small step and deeply flawed, but better than nothing. Single payer is what is needed and at least Obamacare is an inch in that direction.
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Doesn't matter if I would take out more than I put in to medicare, since it is an old age insurance plan I have been forced to pay premiums into ever since I have been working. I would have been much better off if I could have used that cash for private insurance that was tailored to my needs. Part of living in a civilized society is not running around with your hand out expecting the government to tend to your every need, or voting for those who will take the most from the makers to give to the takers.


Under obamacare the insurance companies are taking even more, but you don't realize it because your subsidized bill is sent to the working taxpayers. By the way, governmental control and collusion with private companies is fascism.
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Sure you do, everyone does to some extent, unless your living in a cave somewhere and are living off the land. So you going to not use medicare when you turn 65? Drive on a freeway lately? Maybe you can get a better deal through Obamacare. I was dead set against getting it, but having switched due to having a prior condition, it's turned out better than what we had. Insurance rates were going through the roof prior to Obama care, so I wouldn't assume your rates wouldn't have gone up anyway, they probably would have. Over the last ten years our rates more than
quadrupled, at least with Obamacare the rates are tied to income and have a max.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1593102




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Medicare; Been paying into that by force of law since 1978.
Driving on freeways; Been paying gas taxes since 1978.


Self employed and pay 15.3% for SS and Medicaid, due each quarter on top of federal and state income taxes.

Sorry, but I won't sign up for obamacare, and if I did I would get no subsidies from the hard working taxpayers.
 Quoting: Copperhead


Fine, get out a pencil and calculate whether your usage correlates to what you paid in, bet it doesn't. And when you get your medicare and you run up seven figures in costs, way beyond your contribution, be sure to pull the plug on your life support. Part of living in a civilized society is having some sense of community, sharing costs and risks, and accepting that maybe you'll take more than you gave, or maybe not, in which case you can consider yourself lucky for not having a costly medical issue. Right now, and in the recent past, the medical business and insurance co's have taken far more than their fair share, Obama care was a tiny step in trying to balance the accounts, small step and deeply flawed, but better than nothing. Single payer is what is needed and at least Obamacare is an inch in that direction.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1593102



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Doesn't matter if I would take out more than I put in to medicare, since it is an old age insurance plan I have been forced to pay premiums into ever since I have been working. I would have been much better off if I could have used that cash for private insurance that was tailored to my needs. Part of living in a civilized society is not running around with your hand out expecting the government to tend to your every need, or voting for those who will take the most from the makers to give to the takers.


Under obamacare the insurance companies are taking even more, but you don't realize it because your subsidized bill is sent to the working taxpayers. By the way, governmental control and collusion with private companies is fascism.
 Quoting: Copperhead


Of course it matters what you pay in and take out, forced or not. If your going to play mister righteous I don't need no govt. help, at least be consistent. Guaranteed, if you live into your eighties or nineties you will have taken far more out that you put in and you will be "leaching" off other younger workers, throw in expensive medical costs and you're a super "leach", at least in your value system. Regarding using your SS cash, or better known as privatizing SS, ya, super investor would have made a killing, not likely, but a convenient out if your trying to hide your hypocrisy. Who are these makers? Because all I see in this economy are takers, and it's those who take the least who end up needing subsidies. Really, you're a maker? Doing what? Very few in this society are net givers, and those who are, ironically tend to be lower income.
Collusion between corps. and govt. has been going on for many decades, and there are much better more accurate examples of that than Obamacare. Forcing people to buy from private insurance co's is a problem, granted, but there is an easy fix which at some point should happen - best done by eliminating the insurance co. middle men altogether.

Making one's stand against a slightly skewed vision of fascism by attacking the humane principle of providing healthcare to everyone, most importantly those who can't afford the inflated gouging prices that MDs, hospitals and Insurance co's charge, which is the vast majority of Americans, right up to and including the upper middleclass and somewhat wealthy, isn't going to play well as more people figure out the scam medical system that Obama care at least took some baby steps to correct. The Republican presidential candidates are going to self destruct over this issue, and one wonders if they are destroying their party deliberately. It was republican Bush who had written into the Iraqi constitution universal healthcare, what did the Bush administration (and the rest of the developed world) know that the Republican candidates
don't seem to understand?


I know perfectly well the insurance cos are making a killing, and shouldn't be, but they were making a killing without Obama care, at least now there are some payout to administrative ratios they have to live with as well as other concessions, i.e, have to accept those with prior conditions etc., so minimally our govt. is making a gesture towards asserting some authority over them, not near enough but as said, an inch in the right direction.

Your attempt to belittle those getting subsidies is pathetic, and is far more characteristic of a fascist mindset, that is, attack those you (falsely) consider weaker or lower than you, than anything you could squeeze out of Obama care. Fascism is a lot more than just govt. private collusion, you might want to study up a bit.
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IF they're going to make insurance purchases on the open market mandatory then they DAMN WELL better provide subsidies to those who can't otherwise afford it. Better yet, scrap the whole ACA.
 Quoting: Shiva ascendant


We should just adopt the Canukistan Healthcare model.

While I am waiting 8 months to get that hip replacement made out of old AMF bowling ball, I will get a FREE WHEELCHAIR! Aint socialism great!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32861573


yeah and since THEY gave you that wheelchair and the delays continue,'
THEY will then tell ya "you don't need that surgery anymore"
or
"your condition has deteriorated to the point THAT surgery cannot alleviate it"

JUST LIKE MEDICAID.





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