[UK] The Liquid Bomb HOAX: The Larger Implications

LOL figures

I thought I saved an article detailing the comlexity of constructing a bomb with peroxide and other material for use in taking down an airplane. I've hunted everywhere, but it's gone.

Anyway, it would be highly improbable that a hi-jacker would use those materials because of the mixing process. Not a good idea. So, yes, the liquid bomb hoax is just that: a hoax, and I believe it is one more designed to harrass citizens.
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BINGO! Bulls eye Sir/Madam 85077

Funny how we are never shown REAL evidence. Just a load a media hype followed by "still under investigation" then nothing.

Nada.

Not a sausage.

Too true!

Excellent post.

I think the explanation for all this official floundering and contradiction is that the government assholes, stooges and minions simply have no conception of how fast their ludicrous stories can be debunked and the debunking transmitted to millions of intelligent non-sheeple across the Internet.

Stand by for imminent official demands for "control" and "limits" on the Internet.

Hildabeest Klintoon voiced this years ago.

Oh it's already in the pipe line, but a few Senators might save our bacon...

*** Net Neutrality Wins More Senators ***
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Sorry, SB.

I should have made it clear that I was posting from a non-US perspective.

Here, in the UK, there is nothing like this call for censorship - yet.

Oh! My bad I see...
But as you know, TPTB make their 'bans' and limitations international so IF it happens it wouldn't really matter where you are one might guess.
In any case; I heard some people are ruffling some feathers there in the uk about internet access/censoring/limiting (etc) because of child pornography and pedophiles... (same old excuses).

We have something in the UK called 'sub judice' which means that evidence and testimoney is given in court, not in the media. At one time police could not even publish a photograph of a wanted person for fear of denying him/ her a fair trial.

We will see any evidence if and when those charged go to trial.

Good point, SB.

Yes, they will probably try to weasel in legislation based on pedo porno.

Meaning while... they're behind bars, and the reason pretty much could be because they were in possession of sweet potatoes....
That law you mentioned could be abused 'in the wrong hands'....

Oooooooooh! Original! huh?

85077 is this what you were on about.

TATP OR NOT TATP? THAT IS THE QUESTION: ALLEGED MUSLIM PLAN AS CLAIMED BY BUSH & BLAIR WAS IMPOSSIBLE AND CLEARS SUSPECTS!

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"TATP or Not TATP? - That is the Question [link to www.conspiracypenpal.com < [link to www.conspiracypenpal.com] By Edgar J. Steele 19 Aug 2006 [scroll to section] "A friend with a doctorate in chemistry sent me the following: 'According to the official government story, TATP (triacetone triperoxide) was the explosive these conspirators were planning to manufacture aboard the airliners... The peroxide and acetone can be pre-mixed, but the acid must be added, a drop at a time, to the solution, all the while continuously stirring it and keeping it continuously chilled. ---> This step of the process will take several hours, during which the fumes given off will be substantial and quite overpowering, thus a lab-quality air evacuation system is required... <--- One then must let the resulting solution stand for an extended period at temperatures above the freezing point, but definitely below 10 Celsius (50 Fahrenheit)... ---> The time required for the reaction to go to completion is at least 24 hours and often several days... <--- There is neither the time, the workspace nor the other materials required to make TATP on an airliner. The time required, the temperatures required, the workspace required and the need to dry the chemical prior to use preclude this story being reasonable...'""


"Liquid Bombers Prove: "They Hate Our Freedoms!" [link to www.conspiracypenpal.com < [link to www.conspiracypenpal.com] By Edgar J. Steele 19 Aug 2006 "Muslims were planning to blow up a bunch of jetliners enroute from London to America - or so say George Bush and Tony Blair. Muslims without tickets. Muslims without passports. Muslims without bombs... What kind of bombs? TATP bombs, short for triacetone triperoxide. What's more, Bush and Blair told us that Muslims favor the TATP bomb, mixed on the spot with separate liquids. ---> With that lie, both Bush and Blair foreclosed any possibility that the Muslims involved actually were guilty... <--- It quite simply cannot be done... Not with any resources that might be available aboard any airplane other than Tom Swift's Flying Lab. Not with the time afforded by a Trans-Atlantic flight. And certainly - not by anybody without chemistry lab training and experience - not under the circumstances claimed, anyway.""


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"You can fool some of the people all of the time
And you can fool all of the people some of the time,
But you can't fool all of the people all of the time."
--- Abraham Lincoln, 16th US President (1809-1865)

"Fool me once, shame on - shame on you.
Fool me ... unnnhhh ... you can't get fooled again." (sound clip, click here)
--- George W. Bush, 43rd US President (Nashville, Tenn., 9/17/02)


My name is Edgar J. Steele. This is a Nickel Rant.


Muslims were planning to blow up a bunch of jetliners enroute from London to America - or so say George Bush and Tony Blair.

Muslims without tickets.

Muslims without passports.

Muslims without bombs.

Muslims without a clue ... and they aren't the only ones, it turns out. Without a clue, that is.

What kind of bombs? TATP bombs, short for triacetone triperoxide. What's more, Bush and Blair told us that Muslims favor the TATP bomb, mixed on the spot with separate liquids. With that lie, both Bush and Blair foreclosed any possibility that the Muslims involved actually were guilty. With that lie, both Bush and Blair disclosed themselves for the treasonous, lying criminals that they are. Why? Glad you asked.

To Build the Impossible Bomb

You see ... it can't be done. It quite simply cannot be done. Not in any airplane toilet. Not with any resources that might be available aboard any airplane other than Tom Swift's Flying Lab. Not with the time afforded by a Trans-Atlantic flight. And certainly - not by anybody without chemistry lab training and experience - not under the circumstances claimed, anyway.

If Muslims favor TATP bombs - and there is evidence to support the claim that Muslims use TATP bombs - then Muslims who might do so know full well the limitations and hazards inherent to such an explosive. No Muslim in his right mind would attempt what has been claimed, because he would know it can't be done - and, believe me, doing it under any circumstances would require a Muslim in his right mind. At best, the guy simply would kill himself, and do little damage to the plane's toilet. Regardless, nobody would be allowed the opportunity to spend hours in the toilet ... not aboard a jetliner. In a moment, I will prove to you why TATP simply cannot be made aboard jetliners, but first, please be really clear about the significance of that fact: that it conclusively proves Bush and Blair to be lying weasels. Not just dumb. Not just stupid. Lying, treasonous, unforgivable, murdering bastards.

TATP or Not TATP? - That is the Question

A friend with a doctorate in chemistry sent me the following:

"According to the official government story, TATP (triacetone triperoxide) was the explosive these conspirators were planning to manufacture aboard the airliners.

"This story is not plausible for a number of reasons, but let's take a quick look at just enough of the science so as not to provide anybody with a guide to making an actual bomb: TATP is made from hydrogen peroxide solution, acetone and sulfuric acid. The reaction can be carried out with just about any concentration, but is best done with concentrated solutions of both peroxide and acetone.

"The peroxide and acetone can be pre-mixed, but the acid must be added, a drop at a time, to the solution, all the while continuously stirring it and keeping it continuously chilled. This step of the process will take several hours, during which the fumes given off will be substantial and quite overpowering, thus a lab-quality air evacuation system is required. (ES: right here, the whole idea of a TATP bomb becomes ludicrous. Difficult in a lab, but impossible in an airplane due to the environment - the toilet - and the time requirement.)

"One then must let the resulting solution stand for an extended period at temperatures above the freezing point, but definitely below 10 Celsius (50 Fahrenheit). Above 10 Celsius, the TATP does not form; instead, diperoxide forms, which is so unstable it cannot be worked with. The time required for the reaction to go to completion is at least 24 hours and often several days.

"Once the TATP forms, it crystallizes as snowflakes from the solution and must be harvested by filtration and the liquid discarded. The TATP then is dried and carefully stored until needed. It must be stored below 10 Celsius or it converts spontaneously to the unstable diperoxide.

"There is neither the time, the workspace nor the other materials required to make TATP on an airliner. The time required, the temperatures required, the workspace required and the need to dry the chemical prior to use preclude this story being reasonable. This chemical process is much more sensitive than making, for example, nitroglycerin."

The technically proficient reading this will recognize that a necessary step has been omitted and some others have been altered in critical ways. None of these purposeful camouflages alter the ingredients or the time, care and equipment required. Nor will I describe how TATP can be fabricated beforehand and then detonated aboard an airliner in flight. After all, though we want to demonstrate the impossibility of what has been claimed, we don't want anybody actually trying this at home - and there really are some genuine whack jobs out there. After all, we elect some of them to public office.

An excellent (and humorous) on-line discussion by British writer Thomas Greene, also as to why TATP simply cannot be made aboard a plane: "Mass murder in the skies: was the plot feasible?" Mr. Greene agrees with my friend, the PhD in chemistry, and concludes his description of the process of creating TATP with: "So the fabled binary liquid explosive - that is, the sudden mixing of hydrogen peroxide and acetone with sulfuric acid to create a plane-killing explosion, is out of the question."

So it's impossible to make TATP as claimed, yet still they confiscate liquids from us, including sodas and baby formula, not to mention toothpaste and, even, lipsticks? Even if possible to make TATP as claimed, the individual smells of peroxide, acetone and sulfuric acid are obvious enough to preclude people having to be shaken down and terrorized by the airport Gestapo in this fashion. You have to wonder: Just exactly what is going on?

Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

Incidentally, British officials often claim that the "London 7/7" train/bus bombings, without any proof whatsoever, were done by Muslims with TATP in their backpacks. Those explosions, per eyewitnesses, came from beneath the floors, where the explosive had to have been placed earlier, then detonated either remotely or via timer. And Blair fed Bush some of the lies he has been caught out in by so many. Need any more proof that Blair is a liar, as well?

Did you know that, with a huge and increasingly restless Muslim population in England, only 12% of all British Muslims arrested on terror charges ever end up being charged with a crime, while only 2% get convicted, almost always of something minor and never of anything related to terrorism? You heard about the arrests, though, didn't you? Why the difference? Because the war on terror quite simply is a war on us, not on Muslims.

In the government's eyes, we are the terrorists. In the memorable words of my buddy, Al: "The Patriot Act - so named because it was designed to find and eliminate Patriots before they expose how corrupt our government has become." Why does government fear us so? What does it know that we do not? In other words, exactly what is it that our government officials intend to do to us, such that they feel the need to create a police state so as to protect themselves from us?

They Hate Our Freedoms

Don't forget: They hate our freedoms. Bush, Blair and the others, that is. Not the Muslims. However, the Muslims are getting downright pissed about our wading into their countries, either directly or via Israel, then killing and maiming everybody in sight and destroying their villages, roads and cities. The Muslims now have every reason to hate us. Honestly - do you really blame them?

One week after 9/11, in a televised speech to Congress, Bush laid down the mantra - his justification for eternal war: "Americans are asking, why do they hate us? ... They hate our freedoms..."

I nearly puked when I first heard Bush say it. I cannot tell you the response it now provokes, else they would come and take me away, for sure.

Just for fun, click here for an excellent video accounting by MSNBC's otherwise lamentable Joe Scarborough on the verbal and mental acuity of our President.

Bush has run out of the sort of lies that "fool all of the people some of the time." Now he is left only with fooling "some of the people all of the time." Regrettably, those people, who believe anything told them by CNN and Fox News, are beyond our reach because, as comedian Ron White likes to say: "You can't fix stupid!" There is a segment of both America and Britain that quite simply will roll along, believing anything that Bush, Blair and their controlled media have to say.

However, now you and I know better, don't we? In fact, most of us no longer believe anything that Bush and Blair tell us. What's more, we now know better than to believe anything Bush and Blair ever did tell us!

Yes, it has become more than clear why there is so much killing all around the world these days. They hate our freedoms. There's only one problem: "They" are you, Mr. Bush ... you and the other members of the blood-thirsty and oil-hungry Zionist regime running America, Britain, Israel and most of the rest of the Western World these days.

You clearly have demonstrated, Mr. Bush, with your appointment of Zionists and incompetent sycophants (all too often, one and the same) into every crack, crevice and cubby of your administration, with your stacking of the courts, with your abandonment of the rule of law, with your purging of the military officer corps, with your shocking misuse of our military enlisted personnel and with your treasonous disdain for the Constitution ... that it is you who hates our freedoms! You sort of told us the truth back in 2001. What you neglected to mention was that you meant your entire administration and the criminal cabal for which you are but a belly-crawling, lickspittle lackey.

You first proved just whom you meant hated our freedoms with your abysmally-misnamed Patriot Act. With the increasing revelations of your involvement in 9/11, still more of us awakened. Torture. Murder. Illegal spying on us. Now, with event after event, lie after lie, there is a huge number of Americans wise to your lying. And our number grows every day!

To Dream the Impossible Dream

Meanwhile, your days are numbered, Mr. Bush. First, we're going to replace every single Congressman, Republican and Democrat alike, who voted you the right to conduct war in our name without a formal declaration - every single Congressman who voted support for Israel's campaign of genocide against innocent civilians in the Middle East. Lieberman was just the first. Then we're going to impeach and convict you, then remove you from office, for the highest crimes ever committed against America by a sitting President. Then, Mr. Bush, you will be handed over to an appropriate tribunal to be tried for your war crimes. Finally, Mr. President, it will be our singular honor and pleasure to witness your being hanged by the neck until you are dead, as judges like to say, for your unspeakable crimes against humanity, both at home and abroad.

Oh ... and, Mr. Bush? May your soul burn in Hell for all of eternity.


My name is Edgar J. Steele. Thanks for listening. Please visit my web site, www.ConspiracyPenPal.com, for other messages just like this one.

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Copyright ©2006, Edgar J. Steele

There was some serious talk in the Canadian press about making hydrogen peroxide a controlled substance.
This really shows their agenda. It doesn't matter how ridiculous the 'threat' they will push any attempt to control and micro manage our lives. Like I need a prescription to buy a cleaning sterilising agent.
They should just make, the ingredients for a molotov cocktail,( gasoline and diesel) controlled substances.. then i wouldn't have to go to work anymore

Ryline: "85077 is this what you were on about.

TATP OR NOT TATP? THAT IS THE QUESTION"

Yes, yes, yes!!!! Oh, thank you so very much for posting Steele's rant that says it is impossible to build a bomb made of liquids for bringing down a plane. Noted and filed.

I'm sorry to report that the links didn't work. I tried and tried, but to no avail. What took me so long to get back to you was the website legitgov.com. Lots to read on that newsy site, but found nothing concerning liquid bombs hoax. It's in My Favs.
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Sounds like 'black hole fluid' from another thread . . .

What's a fit-up?

Holy shit. Good point.

A stitch-up, getting framed ...

Of course now it's all Brown v.s. Blair... so this issue will be dropped ... the only one kept alive is the agenda for Iran, of course.

It's so easy when you hold all the cards!

The poor sods aren't likely to get a trial before January 2007 at the earliest.

This is why the Labor party want's Blair OUT. Blair is acting totally queer by backing conservative agenda and it's false flag (fag) methods.

Current state of play in British politics

Labour - Bliar - Biggledeberger group clone

Conservative - Cameron - Biggledeberger group clone

LibDem - Ancient Fella? - Biggledeberger group clone

So as you can see, we are faced with a 3 party charade as opposed to the 2 party charade over the pond

Are we supposed to feel 33% smarter then because we have one more candidate with the same agenda? Special effort for Brits, they are not stupid remember ... that 2 party ruse wont rub with them no, wait ive got it, lets try 3!

And then we have Galloway, the official opposition, looking more and more each day like riding in on the same wave hitler did back in his day

Its all gone to shit, thing is, i cant remember when i t was ever any different

maybe thats the problem

Typical scenario. The conservative media pundits scream, "the sky is falling", from their soapboxes, accusing anyone who questions the logic of these republican sanctioned distractions of being Marxists.

Days later, they slither back under their rocks, sulking in silence, pretending that they were never there.

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