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beebee (OP) User ID: 69713665 Canada 07/11/2015 08:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Unquestionably, this world is not good. Animals have to rip each other apart and destroy each other in order to eat and survive. Human beings need to cheat on each other in all ranks of life to better themselves, to compete and to survive better. Herbivores need to destroy plants which are also living beings. Everything is constantly destroying itself and others. And there are those which call this "perfection" or "perfect balance". Incredible! This is hell. It is not a perfect system or even a good one. It is a system in which everyone has to destroy something else in order to survive. This is the system created, this is the world created by a "superior being": the creator god or demiurge. If the created is not perfect, then how can the creator be perfect? beebee |
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beebee (OP) User ID: 69713665 Canada 07/11/2015 08:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is an uncreated Spirit, not created by god, which has been imprisoned, enclosed, in the soul of man. The bible doesn't say so because the bible speaks of that created by god, and god created the body and soul. But Gnostics maintain that man has a body, a soul and a Spirit. Where did this Spirit, not created by the creator god, come from? Why is It there? I was taught the 'soul' is of the utmost importance. From this Gnostic wisdom, I see it is the Spirit that is of the utmost importance. beebee |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 44080330 Canada 07/11/2015 08:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is an uncreated Spirit, not created by god, which has been imprisoned, enclosed, in the soul of man. The bible doesn't say so because the bible speaks of that created by god, and god created the body and soul. But Gnostics maintain that man has a body, a soul and a Spirit. Where did this Spirit, not created by the creator god, come from? Why is It there? Quoting: beebee I was taught the 'soul' is of the utmost importance. From this Gnostic wisdom, I see it is the Spirit that is of the utmost importance. Sophia. And Spirit is greater than Soul, but don't reject or hate your Soul. Be grateful you have one. It is still a very special thing to have. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 12434275 Switzerland 07/11/2015 08:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Unquestionably, this world is not good. Animals have to rip each other apart and destroy each other in order to eat and survive. Human beings need to cheat on each other in all ranks of life to better themselves, to compete and to survive better. Herbivores need to destroy plants which are also living beings. Everything is constantly destroying itself and others. And there are those which call this "perfection" or "perfect balance". Incredible! This is hell. It is not a perfect system or even a good one. It is a system in which everyone has to destroy something else in order to survive. This is the system created, this is the world created by a "superior being": the creator god or demiurge. Quoting: beebee If the created is not perfect, then how can the creator be perfect? Like you'v read my mind. Absolutely! Its a fuckin hell. from nano to makro. And each moment without feeling pain, hunger or fear is a little blooming flower in a infinite desert of suffer. perfect, my ass.. |
beebee (OP) User ID: 69713665 Canada 07/11/2015 09:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is an uncreated Spirit, not created by god, which has been imprisoned, enclosed, in the soul of man. The bible doesn't say so because the bible speaks of that created by god, and god created the body and soul. But Gnostics maintain that man has a body, a soul and a Spirit. Where did this Spirit, not created by the creator god, come from? Why is It there? Quoting: beebee I was taught the 'soul' is of the utmost importance. From this Gnostic wisdom, I see it is the Spirit that is of the utmost importance. Sophia. And Spirit is greater than Soul, but don't reject or hate your Soul. Be grateful you have one. It is still a very special thing to have. You're going to have to explain that one for me. Anything that an imperfect god created cannot be 'special' in my eyes. beebee |
beebee (OP) User ID: 69713665 Canada 07/11/2015 09:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The demiurge does not allow the Spirit, shackled in the soul of man, to manifest Itself. He wants man to act through his soul and not his Spirit. For this reason it is necessary to oppress man, frighten and worry him. He is a god who oppresses his creatures completely. I can't prove it but I sense the Spirit resides within the heart. No wonder the bible insists the "heart will fail you." beebee |
beebee (OP) User ID: 69713665 Canada 07/11/2015 09:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In the Apocalypse of Adam we read much the same thing. Adam seems to be telling Seth of a time BEFORE their Spirit was enslaved by the demiurge. Interesting read. [link to gnosis.org] beebee |
thedogofdogs User ID: 69736050 United States 07/11/2015 09:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The demiurge does not allow the Spirit, shackled in the soul of man, to manifest Itself. He wants man to act through his soul and not his Spirit. For this reason it is necessary to oppress man, frighten and worry him. He is a god who oppresses his creatures completely. Quoting: beebee I can't prove it but I sense the Spirit resides within the heart. No wonder the bible insists the "heart will fail you." He is a God who oppresses his creatures completely" How can you expect me to want to bend a knee before this kind of God? Blessings to all. |
beebee (OP) User ID: 69713665 Canada 07/11/2015 09:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most of the original Gnostic texts no longer exist and have been destroyed. These critics of Gnosis distorted all the information from the original Gnostic texts, taking sentences out of context to make them look ridiculous, among other cunning strategies. But none of this matters now. Primordial Gnosis is always present, although there are many who are not aware of it. In the different circumstances in which it has appeared openly in the world, it has always been the same Gnosis, although with different historical and cultural connotations. Although forbidden and persecuted, Gnosis never disappeared and never will disappear. It will always stay within the reach of those who deserve it. The more it is persecuted, the more it gathers strength. Strange how 'truth' always seems to survive any and all persecution against it. beebee |
beebee (OP) User ID: 69713665 Canada 07/11/2015 09:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The demiurge does not allow the Spirit, shackled in the soul of man, to manifest Itself. He wants man to act through his soul and not his Spirit. For this reason it is necessary to oppress man, frighten and worry him. He is a god who oppresses his creatures completely. Quoting: beebee I can't prove it but I sense the Spirit resides within the heart. No wonder the bible insists the "heart will fail you." He is a God who oppresses his creatures completely" How can you expect me to want to bend a knee before this kind of God? Once you take a close look at this creator god/demiurge, it is impossible to respect this monster. However, thanks to clever mind control tactics most people who are exposed to ANY religion will not see the flaws of this creation and the demiurge. beebee |
beebee (OP) User ID: 69713665 Canada 07/11/2015 10:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "...just as the creator cursed the serpent when it destroyed his plans and ruined his work, so must the creator be cursed by every man who has woken up. Just as the creator cursed the Serpent of Salvation, so the creator himself will be cursed as long as he exists, by every Spirit liberated from his clutches." Celsus - as found in "The Refutation of All Heresies", written by Hippolytus beebee |
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beebee (OP) User ID: 69713665 Canada 07/11/2015 10:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ouch - these words are harsh for the demiurge!! To be cursed and banished by the creator is an honour for a Gnostic. It is the natural reaction of the demiurge faced with someone who has defied him and slapped him in the face, faced with someone who has made himself equal or superior to him. Cain is in exile because he completely transformed himself, successfully exiled himself and now no longer belongs to this world, although he carries on living in it. The bible says that the creator banished him, but Cain is free, liberated in life and through his acts he cursed the creator and exiled himself from this abominable creation. beebee |
beebee (OP) User ID: 69713665 Canada 07/11/2015 10:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That blue text is terrible on the dark GLP template. Quoting: -VonAmoR- It looks alright on white background, but those with black backgrounds, it is barely readable = headache. Not complaining, just thought I'd mention it in case you were unaware of it. That doesn't even make sense!! Why would black text be easier to see on a black background than blue? And why is your background black? Just asking. beebee |
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beebee (OP) User ID: 69713665 Canada 07/11/2015 11:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is a bit scary!! The demiurge needs man to remain half-asleep and confused so that man keeps on blindly approaching him, the creator, who lures him with tricks and punishment. For this whole system to work, man has to keep on believing that the creator is the only god that exists and that he is a good god. Gnostics maintain that if man evolves to the point where he merges with his creator, at that moment his Spirit will lose all possibility of freeing itself while this universe lasts. beebee |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 69736682 United States 07/11/2015 11:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I personally think the Demiurge tries his best to be perfect. Often he tries too hard. He's not inherently evil, he's just insane and fails to realize that the matter he manipulates will ALWAYS make an imperfect existence. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44080330 I think things will start to get better. the demiruge is but another word to describe the dark mind on this planet.. .which some label Satan as a person.. while the congomerate of dark mind does in a sense make a personhood... it is not a person named Satan. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69736682 United States 07/11/2015 11:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I personally think the Demiurge tries his best to be perfect. Often he tries too hard. He's not inherently evil, he's just insane and fails to realize that the matter he manipulates will ALWAYS make an imperfect existence. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44080330 I think things will start to get better. the demiruge is but another word to describe the dark mind on this planet.. .which some label Satan as a person.. while the congomerate of dark mind does in a sense make a personhood... it is not a person named Satan. Other than of course the greek word satan meaning adversary. The demiurge is adversary to that which is creator love. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69736682 United States 07/11/2015 11:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is a bit scary!! Quoting: beebee The demiurge needs man to remain half-asleep and confused so that man keeps on blindly approaching him, the creator, who lures him with tricks and punishment. For this whole system to work, man has to keep on believing that the creator is the only god that exists and that he is a good god. Gnostics maintain that if man evolves to the point where he merges with his creator, at that moment his Spirit will lose all possibility of freeing itself while this universe lasts. this is a garbage statement. When a human being actually merges with Creator.. that is the indwelling divine Father with whom he merges and not the demiurge which is no creator... it does not create, it cannot create. It can only lure away from creator. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69736682 United States 07/11/2015 11:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is a bit scary!! Quoting: beebee The demiurge needs man to remain half-asleep and confused so that man keeps on blindly approaching him, the creator, who lures him with tricks and punishment. For this whole system to work, man has to keep on believing that the creator is the only god that exists and that he is a good god. Gnostics maintain that if man evolves to the point where he merges with his creator, at that moment his Spirit will lose all possibility of freeing itself while this universe lasts. if man actually merges with the indwelling Father.. he is forever freed and is finding truth.... and this universe.. "lasts"... it is eternal. And man who again merges with the Father has done what it takes to be committed to the search for that truth which is of God... This supposed Gnostic statement is really dumb... really dumb .. did you write it.. or did you copy it from another? Man who merges with the indwelling Creator Father Fragment has truly begun to be free. |
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beebee (OP) User ID: 69713665 Canada 07/11/2015 01:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to theforbiddenreligion.com] For Gnosis, the rebellion against the demiurge does not only free man from his slavery and servitude, it also weakens and takes away power from the demiurge. Through his constant opposition, the Gnostic gradually acquires a power equal then later superior to that of the creator god. When I read that it reminded me of what Adam told Seth. [link to gnosis.org] "Listen to my words, my son Seth. When God had created me out of the earth, along with Eve, your mother, I went about with her in a glory which she had seen in the aeon from which we had come forth. She taught me a word of knowledge of the eternal God. And we resembled the great eternal angels, for we were higher than the god who had created us and the powers with him, whom we did not know." Last Edited by beebee on 07/11/2015 01:34 PM beebee |
beebee (OP) User ID: 69713665 Canada 07/11/2015 01:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is a bit scary!! Quoting: beebee The demiurge needs man to remain half-asleep and confused so that man keeps on blindly approaching him, the creator, who lures him with tricks and punishment. For this whole system to work, man has to keep on believing that the creator is the only god that exists and that he is a good god. Gnostics maintain that if man evolves to the point where he merges with his creator, at that moment his Spirit will lose all possibility of freeing itself while this universe lasts. if man actually merges with the indwelling Father.. he is forever freed and is finding truth.... and this universe.. "lasts"... it is eternal. And man who again merges with the Father has done what it takes to be committed to the search for that truth which is of God... This supposed Gnostic statement is really dumb... really dumb .. did you write it.. or did you copy it from another? Man who merges with the indwelling Creator Father Fragment has truly begun to be free. If you go to the very first of my posts, you will find 2 links - one a webpage, the other a PDF file. That is the source of this information. What is YOUR source of YOUR information? beebee |
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beebee (OP) User ID: 69713665 Canada 07/11/2015 01:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to theforbiddenreligion.com] Every religious movement which works in favour of the demiurge will give great importance to the need to destroy the self of the aspirants. For fusion with the demiurge to be successful, it is fundamental that the aspirant renounces his self. On the other hand, in initiations of the Spirit, the aim is always the enlargement of the self and the accumulation of power. Enlarging the self is to get close to the Spirit. If the self does not exist, the Spirit cannot manifest Itself. Renouncing the self is to renounce the Spirit. If the Spirit felt love for the demiurge and his creation, it would not be a Spirit, it would be a soul. The soul is pure love (for the demiurge and his work). The Spirit is pure hate (for the demiurge and his work). beebee |
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