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Seventh from Adam User ID: 67823365 United States 07/23/2015 11:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Of course nobody died at Sandy Hook. The question becomes: why is this info coming out now? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61735077 One could say it was to perpetuate the lie years later, but that is superficial. Did anyone else find it odd that this coincides with all of the anti-police rhetoric going on lately? Yes, some cops are bully assholes, but this goes to further the agenda that all cops are bad. Not only that, just before tonight's theater shooting in Luisiana. Remember Sandy Hook, guns, dead kids... THEN Boom, new theater shooting. OMG, another theater shooting like in Aurora... and remember those kids at Sandy Hook? Nobody should have guns. Many conversations like that tonight I'm sure. There's probably reiterated Marathon articles all over tonight as well. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54786660 United States 07/23/2015 11:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The trauma caused by a high power rifle is extensive. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49912359 The wound my not imediately kill the victem but death is almost certain even if shot on an operating table. There would be missing parts of all organs where the bullet passed through. The smaller the body the more extensive. It would not have mattered. An AR-15 is not a high-power rifle. Yes, the effects of a .223/5.56 round can be damaging at close range, but 'high-powered' is generally reserved for cartridges using much heavier projectiles and greater powder charges regardless of caliber. It is incredibly tiresome how the MSM continuously reports an AR-15 as a 'high-powered assault rifle' when neither term is correct. It is not a high powered rifle. It is not an assault rifle. Assault rifles are select-fire and are military weapons. THIS |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 54786660 United States 07/23/2015 11:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the police called the scene 'clear' just a few minutes (less than 5) after entering the building. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2091907 listen to the radio recordings, the officers had no way of knowing there was one shooter, nor did they have time to check the entire building. There is no possible way they could have check that number of wounded while simultaneously clearing the building. Nice try. It doesn't matter if they thought there were 100 shooters. Protocol demands that the minute you find out there are 25 people wounded--instead of only two--you tell dispatch. |
FlashBuzzkill User ID: 68754170 United States 07/23/2015 11:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SWAT did a great job by letting most of the victims bleed out? Quoting: FlashBuzzkill What planet are you from? This says in plain English the cops let those kids die!! FFS why hasn't the national media jumped on this? The problem with this story is it's pure speculation. Deputy Fire Chief Heinz may be of the opinion that kids bled out at Sandy Hook while the scene was under a SWAT teams control, but he can't prove it. He can't prove it any more than we can. Stop right there bro - this isn't the opinion of Deputy Fire Chief Heinz but the opinion of a special study group from the American College of Surgeons, the best of the best. It is their opinion that most of the victims did not necessarily have to die from bleeding out. Gen. John B Gordon and Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest were the finest citizen-soldiers birthed in America. |
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Seventh from Adam User ID: 67823365 United States 07/24/2015 12:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No one who was shot at Sandy Hook lived. Correct? That is the story. Quoting: Rufus Juice It doesn't work like that. the major criticism is the 5.56 or 223 enters and exits clean too often not producing an incapacitating wound. the military has complained fighting an enemy that is undernourished - Somalia, afghanis, the bullets pass straight through. so up to 85 percent of rounds that hit do not start to fragment until nearly 5 in of penetration. Against small statured or thin combatants, little chance of yawing before passing through cleanly and leaving a wound cavity no bigger than the bullet itself. Often these wounds are not fatal, nor do they stop the threat Anyone who says to this "they were all headshots, so penetration depth isn't required" anyone remember the Amish School shooting in 2006? Horrible - but one thing stands out big time 10 girls were shot - all headshots 5 lived ... Troopers and local police officers assisted the surviving children, administering first aid. Troopers and local officers continued to tend to the girls, helping the emergency medical technicians provide first aid on the school playground until the helicopters got there.... [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Thanks for that info about the military complaining that malnourished people are harder to kill... fucking maniacs out there trying to figure out a way to kill more people faster. smh. |
FlashBuzzkill User ID: 68754170 United States 07/24/2015 12:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SWAT did a great job by letting most of the victims bleed out? Quoting: FlashBuzzkill What planet are you from? This says in plain English the cops let those kids die!! FFS why hasn't the national media jumped on this? they are part of it. Too true Beeches. The question was rhetorical but can't be said enough. THE MSM LIES. It's about ALL they do. Gen. John B Gordon and Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest were the finest citizen-soldiers birthed in America. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54786660 United States 07/24/2015 12:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lol. So in the history of emergency responders nobody thought to NOT block a road when there is an emergency? I mean come on. Also with all the wars and violence only now we think about bleeding out? This article is written for morons who will just believe the crap without logical thinking. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54621542 Duhr....This Sandy Hook drill taught us valuable lessons.,.... Duhh, like don't block the road during an emergency. Duhh and we should stop somebody from bleeding to death. Duhr..... Frickin retards. Keep trying, my Russki tovarishch. If not blocking the road were so simple, the road wouldn't have been blocked. If evacuating survivable victims were so simple--most were survivable--they would have been evacuated. Newtown police executed a 12 year old shooter after he'd been cuffed. Can you imagine what chaos that would have caused, as police frantically scrambled to fix the scene? That's why ambulances weren't called. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 54786660 United States 07/24/2015 12:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the police called the scene 'clear' just a few minutes (less than 5) after entering the building. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2091907 listen to the radio recordings, the officers had no way of knowing there was one shooter, nor did they have time to check the entire building. There is no possible way they could have check that number of wounded while simultaneously clearing the building. only a few officers ever entered the building, nothing adds up with the official lie, not one thing. anyone who has any tactical experience could not look at the sandy hook lie and not rip it apart from a LE standpoint, nor and EMS standpoint. the entire non-incident complete and utter TRIPE. reports like these are made up lies to support the original lie. i would bet bots wrote the entire report. I can absolutely and unequivocally rip it apart from an LE standpoint. EMS was innocent; it was LE's responsibility to declare an MCI. LE didn't even mention additional patients, much less declare an MCI. EMS was ready from second one; LE didn't follow protocol. This is ALL on LE. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54786660 United States 07/24/2015 12:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Did I just wake up in the fucking twilight zone? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16292928 Why is anyone entertaining the idea that anyone was actually shot at Sandy Hook? 1 star and move on. Yeah, if that were the case, we would hardly be having this conversation. Move on--indeed. Newtown police shot a kid to death. That is the crux. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54786660 United States 07/24/2015 12:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SWAT did a great job by letting most of the victims bleed out? Quoting: FlashBuzzkill What planet are you from? This says in plain English the cops let those kids die!! FFS why hasn't the national media jumped on this? The problem with this story is it's pure speculation. Deputy Fire Chief Heinz may be of the opinion that kids bled out at Sandy Hook while the scene was under a SWAT teams control, but he can't prove it. He can't prove it any more than we can. Unless he's come into some evidence the rest of us aren't privy to, in which case he'd have to present that evidence. Of course, when Halbig engages in baseless but logical speculation like this, he's tarred and feathered from every angle. For those who keep saying this event was a hoax, that no kids died, we need to be more precise in how we put that. We have been presented no evidence other than people's testimony that children died. However, not having evidence of a thing doesn't mean that thing didn't happen. There could be evidence which exists that proves people died, but which we're not being provided. There could be many reasons for that. There is evidence which would be consistent with this being a "hoax" planned over many years, but there are other possible explanations for that evidence. That's why I believe that although it may be reasonable to suspect that no children died at Sandy Hook based on the lack of evidence, the only thing we can say with certainty is that there is no reason to believe that the narrative told by the authorities is true. The authorities could provide details of who handled the cleanup and decontamination of the site, and if those people were to release evidence of what they did, that would help bolster the authorities case. Since the authorities continue to refuse to release any real evidence based on the false claim that it would violate the privacy rights of the victims families, none of that is likely, however. aHEMagain With all due respect, it literally doesn't matter. Hundreds of people swore it happened, under oath, and they are accountable to those sworn statements. The Governor of Connecticut, in fact, is accountable for those statements. Every adult who signed a sworn statement is legally responsible for that statement. The statements were: All but two children had non-survivable wounds. That is patently false. Ergo, everyone who swore it was true is a felon. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54786660 United States 07/24/2015 12:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SWAT did a great job by letting most of the victims bleed out? Quoting: FlashBuzzkill What planet are you from? This says in plain English the cops let those kids die!! FFS why hasn't the national media jumped on this? they are part of it. Nope. Well--a few, yes. Most simply haven't done their homework and/or are self-censoring. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54786660 United States 07/24/2015 12:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No one who was shot at Sandy Hook lived. Correct? That is the story. Quoting: Rufus Juice It doesn't work like that. the major criticism is the 5.56 or 223 enters and exits clean too often not producing an incapacitating wound. the military has complained fighting an enemy that is undernourished - Somalia, afghanis, the bullets pass straight through. so up to 85 percent of rounds that hit do not start to fragment until nearly 5 in of penetration. Against small statured or thin combatants, little chance of yawing before passing through cleanly and leaving a wound cavity no bigger than the bullet itself. Often these wounds are not fatal, nor do they stop the threat Anyone who says to this "they were all headshots, so penetration depth isn't required" anyone remember the Amish School shooting in 2006? Horrible - but one thing stands out big time 10 girls were shot - all headshots 5 lived ... Troopers and local police officers assisted the surviving children, administering first aid. Troopers and local officers continued to tend to the girls, helping the emergency medical technicians provide first aid on the school playground until the helicopters got there.... [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] ^^ THIS ^^ |
Dudeashaneo User ID: 58693384 United States 07/24/2015 12:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No one who was shot at Sandy Hook lived. Correct? That is the story. Quoting: Rufus Juice It doesn't work like that. the major criticism is the 5.56 or 223 enters and exits clean too often not producing an incapacitating wound. the military has complained fighting an enemy that is undernourished - Somalia, afghanis, the bullets pass straight through. so up to 85 percent of rounds that hit do not start to fragment until nearly 5 in of penetration. Against small statured or thin combatants, little chance of yawing before passing through cleanly and leaving a wound cavity no bigger than the bullet itself. Often these wounds are not fatal, nor do they stop the threat Anyone who says to this "they were all headshots, so penetration depth isn't required" anyone remember the Amish School shooting in 2006? Horrible - but one thing stands out big time 10 girls were shot - all headshots 5 lived ... Troopers and local police officers assisted the surviving children, administering first aid. Troopers and local officers continued to tend to the girls, helping the emergency medical technicians provide first aid on the school playground until the helicopters got there.... [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] ^^ THIS ^^ Well. This is how it's done when it's not a drill of course..... but I digress.... Is there a chance we could get some honesty up in here? |
Dudeashaneo User ID: 58693384 United States 07/24/2015 12:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SWAT did a great job by letting most of the victims bleed out? Quoting: FlashBuzzkill What planet are you from? This says in plain English the cops let those kids die!! FFS why hasn't the national media jumped on this? The problem with this story is it's pure speculation. Deputy Fire Chief Heinz may be of the opinion that kids bled out at Sandy Hook while the scene was under a SWAT teams control, but he can't prove it. He can't prove it any more than we can. Stop right there bro - this isn't the opinion of Deputy Fire Chief Heinz but the opinion of a special study group from the American College of Surgeons, the best of the best. It is their opinion that most of the victims did not necessarily have to die from bleeding out. I am curious. Where exactly did they get the information to make this decision? This would require evidence and documentation that has never been released. What is it with selected organizations being privy to certain things and making pronouncements without offering up what evidence led them to the conclusion. Just referencing stories is not evidence. Is there a chance we could get some honesty up in here? |
Jason User ID: 39492687 United States 07/24/2015 12:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No death certificates Quoting: Innards_outward no registered plots for the graves no autopsy reports via foia requests No insurance claims for Sandy hook No postings or news bulletins since 2004 from the school. The gag orders for the demolition company for workers Botched Ive seen one autopsy report of a child. |
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Rufus Juice User ID: 34653304 United States 07/24/2015 12:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 10 shot. 5 dead. I'd guess some of those 5 were beyond any doubt too late. but that's not what the police do - they don't relay information like the military (7 kia, 15 wounded to get a tailored response based on the best understanding of the situation) "a mass casualty on White Oak Road, Bart Township, with multiple children shot", and "at 11:11 a.m., police radioed dispatchers again, estimating 10 to 12 patients with head injuries" they haven't searched the entire building - they haven't thoroughly examined every victim. they didn't decide who was alive or dead. relay facts only based on their observations -and those shot ~ they called them patients. Multiple Helicopters were dispatched - not one at sandy hook - unless I missed it. not 1. 20~30 casualties, roll all available - there should have been helicopters there from as far away as Boston, NYC, and even Albany "When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace" Jimi Hendrix |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69713994 United States 07/24/2015 12:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The trauma caused by a high power rifle is extensive. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49912359 The wound my not imediately kill the victem but death is almost certain even if shot on an operating table. There would be missing parts of all organs where the bullet passed through. The smaller the body the more extensive. It would not have mattered. THIS No one would survive such close range shooting. You can only wish no one was conscious and suffered for an extended period, especially after police had control. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54786660 United States 07/24/2015 12:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | that's the point ~ Quoting: Rufus Juice 10 shot. 5 dead. I'd guess some of those 5 were beyond any doubt too late. but that's not what the police do - they don't relay information like the military (7 kia, 15 wounded to get a tailored response based on the best understanding of the situation) "a mass casualty on White Oak Road, Bart Township, with multiple children shot", and "at 11:11 a.m., police radioed dispatchers again, estimating 10 to 12 patients with head injuries" they haven't searched the entire building - they haven't thoroughly examined every victim. they didn't decide who was alive or dead. relay facts only based on their observations -and those shot ~ they called them patients. Multiple Helicopters were dispatched - not one at sandy hook - unless I missed it. not 1. 20~30 casualties, roll all available - there should have been helicopters there from as far away as Boston, NYC, and even Albany THIS |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54786660 United States 07/24/2015 12:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The trauma caused by a high power rifle is extensive. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49912359 The wound my not imediately kill the victem but death is almost certain even if shot on an operating table. There would be missing parts of all organs where the bullet passed through. The smaller the body the more extensive. It would not have mattered. THIS No one would survive such close range shooting. You can only wish no one was conscious and suffered for an extended period, especially after police had control. BS. Most children had survivable wounds |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 69787501 Germany 07/24/2015 01:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The trauma caused by a high power rifle is extensive. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49912359 The wound my not imediately kill the victem but death is almost certain even if shot on an operating table. There would be missing parts of all organs where the bullet passed through. The smaller the body the more extensive. It would not have mattered. Lying cunts, SandY HoOK was a gigantic fraudulent HOAX. Lying cunts, SandY HoOK was a gigantic fraudulent HOAX. Lying cunts, SandY HoOK was a gigantic fraudulent HOAX. Lying cunts, SandY HoOK was a gigantic fraudulent HOAX. Lying cunts, SandY HoOK was a gigantic fraudulent HOAX. Lying cunts, SandY HoOK was a gigantic fraudulent HOAX. Lying cunts, SandY HoOK was a gigantic fraudulent HOAX. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69854788 United States 07/24/2015 01:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The trauma caused by a high power rifle is extensive. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49912359 The wound my not imediately kill the victem but death is almost certain even if shot on an operating table. There would be missing parts of all organs where the bullet passed through. The smaller the body the more extensive. It would not have mattered. THIS No one would survive such close range shooting. You can only wish no one was conscious and suffered for an extended period, especially after police had control. BS. Most children had survivable wounds No they did not because it was all fake, you bullshitting shill. |