What did God tell us to remember and why?

How do you know you are not an Israelite (of physical descent) since the northern 10 tribes of Israel were scattered throughout the world and are as the sand of the sea or the stars in the sky? And if you are an Israelite then why are you not keeping them.

Secondly, if you believe in Jesus/Yahshua as your Lord and Savior then consider what the apostle Paul says. He says we have been grafted in to the olive tree. What is the olive tree? It is a symbol of Israel so if you have been grafted into Israel then you are an Israelite and the laws of Moses apply to Israelites.

Finally, Yahshua the master said that he did not come to destroy the Law but to fulfill it, that not one jot or tittle of the law would by no means pass away until heaven and earth pass away, that whoever keeps and teaches the Law of Moses (torah) would be call great in the kingdom of heaven and whoever breaks and teaches others to break the Law of Moses (Torah) would be called least in the kingdom of heaven.

Heaven and earth have not passed away yet so the Law of Moses (Torah) is still in effect. He did not do away with it or destroy it. And if you want to be called great in the kingdom of heaven then you will keep the Law of Moses (Torah) and teach others to keep it.

Jesus gave us a new covenant with new laws. For example, Jesus is High Priest now. He couldn't be High Priest under the law of Moses, because Jesus isn't a Levite.

Since the law of Moses did not change at all even a little tiny bit, the only possibility is that the new covenant has a complete new set of laws.

So are you going to stick with the law of Moses where you have no high priest, no priesthood, no sacrifices, and no temple?

Or are you going to be in the new covenant with Jesus Christ as High Priest forever?


11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? 12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also. 13 He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. 14 For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.
(Hebrews 7:11-14)

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Matthew 5:17-19

King James Version (KJV)


17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.



Romans 11:17
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;


Romans 11:24
For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?



Jeremiah 11:16-17

16 The Lord called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.

17 For the Lord of hosts, that planted thee, hath pronounced evil against thee, for the evil of the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, which they have done against themselves to provoke me to anger in offering incense unto Baal.



1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Remember 7th day of the weak and keep it holy.

As Genesis clearly written on the 7th day, God rest.

There are two orders of priesthood - the Aaronic high priesthood with Levitical preists and the Melchizedek priesthood. Believers are called priests and this is under the order of Melchizedek with Yahshua being a high priest in this order.

But in regard to the law of Moses, it is for the Israelites and you have been grafted into Israel, the olive tree if you are in Yahshua Messiah. Yahshua himself said the law of Moses is not destroyed but still in effect until heaven and earth pass away (when we have the new heaven and new earth). Do you want to be called great in the kingdom of heaven? Yahshua says then you are to keep and teach the Law of Moses.

Paul did not teach the Law of Moses was done away with but rather that the Law which teaches us righteousness condemned us in a way because the flesh worked within us to make us sin. So although the Law taught us what was good, it lacked the power to enable us to be good by keeping the commands of God, the law of Moses, the Torah. But with Yahshua we are forgiven of our sins, redeemed, adopted as children of God and given the Holy Spirit which enables us to live by the Spirit and keep God's commandments.

Now James tells us that sin is the transgression of the law. What law? The law of Moses. Jesus never overturned the law of Moses but showed the true intent of it. For example, it is written in the law of Moses not to commit adultery but Yahshua said lusting after a woman is sin since it leads to adultery. Thus, Yahshua showed the true spirit of the law of Moses.

If you are not under the law of Moses as a Christian then what laws are you under? Do you just make these things up as you go along? Yahshua told you that you are to keep and teach the Law of Moses. What law do you think he was referring to if not the law of moses?

Where does the law of Moses say that Jesus can be High Priest? Jesus is not descended from Aaron.

All Christians aren't descended from Aaron, so they can't be priests under the law of Moses.

Christians can't be under the law of Moses, because then they would not be able to have Jesus Christ as High Priest.

I think you are missing the point. I have already said believers are under the priesthood of Melchizedek not the Levitical priesthood. If you say thats not under the law of Moses I will agree with you.

But that does not invalidate the law of Moses. So your point is mute and irrelevant. I already proved to you that believers are Israelites since they are grafted into the Olive tree which represents Israel and the law of Moses as you say is for Israelites.

I then gave you a further proof when Yahshua said that he did not come to destroy the law and that it has not passed away. And that if you want to be great in the kingdom of heaven you will teach and practice the law.

God can create new covenants and priesthoods if he wants but that does not invalidate the existing covenant with Israelites that includes the law of moses. Just like you can have an agreement with you credit card company and another with the bank from where you got your mortgage. A covenant is a contract and the covnenant with the Israelites (believers) are to keep the law of Moses is still active and binding and will not pass away until heaven and earth pass away.

Please review your assumptions since they are causing you to make false conclusions.

OP please explain Hebrews 7:12.

For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.
(Hebrews 7;12)
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The law of Moses didn't change. The only possibility is a new covenant with a new set of laws.

Jesus Christ is High Priest and it is not according to the law of Moses. Therefore it is impossible for Christians to be under the law of Moses.

Dip..thats your ego talking shit to you.

"God doesnt talk to you unless you'r insane"

Are you Insane> if you are, you'r better off than the peasants who blindly bow to their playmasters.

Choose your battle>


Is it you ?
Or you against your masters?


Or could it be you fighting simultaneous battles.?

You don't know?


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Wrong answers. You should reply simply as "Jesus was not born until some thousand years after Moses (peace be unto them).

Before Moses (peace be unto him) departed from the group after 40 years of wilderness, he said to the group "Go thy way to the land of milk and honey (Israel), for I will not go with you, because I might destroyed you".

Did Moses (peace be unto him) foresaw his own Messiah killed by his own stiffed neck people?. The one who built the golden calf 40 years beforehand?.

Hints hints.

Keep your mind fixed on God

Trust not to your own understanding

Live in the 'world' but be not part of it

Love your life not unto the death

Old contract, new contract, Jesus don't need to be your 'priest' he is the first paraclete (someone who tells you the truths of this world), that is above 'priesthood'. Jews can stick to the old contract, espcially if they are of the two priest tribes, for other jews, not so important which contract you adhere to.

I tried reading the Bible but its boring and full with lame cliches, riddles and parabels.

I tried that praying stuff when I was feeling depressed, it didnt work its a scam.

Hebrews 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchisedec.

Jesus did away with the levitical priesthood. He became the High Priest. He replaced the levitical priesthood.

Acts 4:11-12

This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

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The Jews rejected Jesus and they continue to do so to their own folly.

You've not addressed my arguments.

Is the law of Moses for Israelites?

Is the law of Moses still in effect for Israelites?

Are believers Israelites who have been grafted into Israel?

If a believer wants to be great should he keep and teach the law?

What law is Yahshua referring to here if not the Torah, the law of Moses?

I have an answer for your question. But it's time you address these issues I keep bringing up.

no they aren't. they are grafted onto the root, which is Jesus. nowhere does the bible say that believers get "grafted on and turn into Israelites". wild branches remain wild even when grafted on. read what it really says.

Dude, Jesus never became High Priest in that time, he called them hypocrite pharisee's.

Please don't twisted holy words, it is bad enough with the Zionist and Vatican.

No, the order of Melchizedek priesthood is a new priesthood and does not do away with the Levitical priesthood. No where does it say that the Levitical priesthood was done away with. The covenenant God made with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob/Israel is AN EVERLASTING COVENANT. What part of everlasting is not clear to you?



1 Chronicles 16:16-18
16 Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto Isaac;
17 And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant,
18 Saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance;

You see - God made an everlasting covenant with Israel. He gave them the land but they were to keep His laws that He gave to his servant Moses. Proof complete. Everlasting means everlasting.

Isaiah 24:5
The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.



Genesis 17:1-8
17 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.
3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,
4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.


God made an everlasting covenant with Abraham and it then proceed to Isaac and Jacob/Israel and then to the whole nation of Israel.

Even the Levitical priesthood is everlasting. Look Phinehas who is from the bloodline of Aaron the Levite has a priesthood that is everlasting so the introduction of the priesthood of Melchizedek does not invalidate Phinehas everlasting priesthood as a Levitical priest otherwise you are calling God a liar.



Numbers 25:11-13
11 Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, hath turned my wrath away from the children of Israel, while he was zealous for my sake among them, that I consumed not the children of Israel in my jealousy.
12 Wherefore say, Behold, I give unto him my covenant of peace:
13 And he shall have it, and his seed after him, even the covenant of an everlasting priesthood; because he was zealous for his God, and made an atonement for the children of Israel.

Jesus a Priest Like Melchizedek
Hebrews 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 13For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. 14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. 15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, 16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. 20And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:

21(For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)

22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: 24But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; 27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. 28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

BRO! He most assuredly did become High Priest! After the order of Melchisedec!

Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, 2 and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by a mere human being.
(Hebrews 8:1-2)


But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.

7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.
(Hebrews 8:6-7)


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Read the Scriptures. Believers are grafted into the olive tree which represents Israel. Do your homework please.

The last High Priest was from Ancient Egypt. They departed long before the Jews arrived. It was the Time before and some years after Atlantis sunk.

The famous Greek philosopher Socrate will tell you in history. Want me to post this story again on my smart ass phone?.

please post where the bible says that "Christians turn into Israelites by being grafted in, and therefore must obey the law of Moses."

it's not in the bible, somebody made it up.

There is a new covenant whereby we may attain salvation if we receive Yahshua as Messiah and son of God and repent of our sins then our sins our forgiven, we are adopted as children of God and are given the Holy Spirit to enable us to keep the law.

This does not invalidate the existing covenant God made with the Israelites since the covenant is everlasting. If you can't grasp the concept of everlasting then there's not much I can do for you. I'm sorry. God gave the Israelites the law and if they kept it they would be blessed and stay in the land but they didn't so the 10 northern tribes were scattered and the House of Judah was sent into exile in Babylon. Now Paul says that the law is good but the problem is that the flesh works against us so that we break it and thus fall under judgment. So the law are God's commandments but which we struggle to keep. Through the Son we have forgiveness, adoption as sons, the Holy Spirit to enable us to keep the Law. So salvation is by this new covenant/contract but it does not invalidate the previous EVERLASTING COVENANT.

We can go back and forth but we are not making progress since you don't seem to grasp the concept of an everlasting covenant which God made with the Israelites and that believers were grafted into the olive tree which is Israel. I already provided the Scriptures to show these things.

I wish you well but don't see the point in rehashing these points over and over again.

here is what you posted about olive trees. where does it say Christians become Israelites and therefore must obey the law of Moses?

Romans 11:17
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;


Romans 11:24
For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?


it doesn't say "Christians become Israelites and therefore must obey the law of Moses". somebody made that part up. it's not in the bible.

No explanation needed

Isaiah 46:9-10

King James Version (KJV)

9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

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Yahshua himself said if you want to be great in the kingdom of heaven keep the law and teach others to keep it. And if you want to be least in the kingdom of heaven then break and teach others to break it. The choice is yours now.

Now that you know the truth you have no excuse. Why deceive yourself since you're not going to fool God and you will have to answer to the Great Judge.


Matthew 5:17-19

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 19:16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good[e] Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good?[f] No one is good but One, that is, God.[g] But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”

Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’[h] and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

20 The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth.[j] What do I still lack?”

21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.

The Ingrafting of the Gentiles
Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? 13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. 15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? 16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. 24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

All Israel Shall Be Saved
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.