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DGN (OP) User ID: 19459852 United States 07/26/2015 01:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Prophesy isn't religion, it's events told in advance. Trying to figure where, when, and how they will happen is rolling dice, lol. Last Edited by DGN on 07/26/2015 01:13 PM |
Mystic Gohan User ID: 69871717 Australia 07/26/2015 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Prophesy isn't religion, it's events told in advance. Trying to figure where, when, and how they will happen is rolling dice, lol. Which biblical prophecies obey this criteria? It must be accurate. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it is not accurate, because knowledge (and thus foreknowledge) excludes inaccurate statements. It must be in the Bible. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it is not in the Bible, because Biblical foreknowledge definitionally can only come from the Bible itself. It must be unambiguous. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if multiple outcomes could fulfill the foreknowledge, because ambiguity prevents one from knowing whether the foreknowledge was intentional or not. It must be improbable. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it reasonably could be the result of a pure guess, because foreknowledge requires a person to actually know a statement and a guess is not valid knowledge. This also excludes contemporary beliefs that happened be true, without a solid reason for said beliefs. It must have been unknown. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it reasonably could be the result of an educated guess based off contemporary knowledge, because foreknowledge requires a person to know a statement when it would have been impossible, outside of supernatural power, for that person to know it. And my own: It can't be a prophecy if it was already happening in the bible. (Like "there will be scoffers") Last Edited by Kakarot_ on 07/26/2015 01:42 PM |
DGN (OP) User ID: 19459852 United States 07/26/2015 01:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Prophesy isn't religion, it's events told in advance. Trying to figure where, when, and how they will happen is rolling dice, lol. Which biblical prophecies obey this criteria? It must be accurate. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it is not accurate, because knowledge (and thus foreknowledge) excludes inaccurate statements. It must be in the Bible. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it is not in the Bible, because Biblical foreknowledge definitionally can only come from the Bible itself. It must be unambiguous. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if multiple outcomes could fulfill the foreknowledge, because ambiguity prevents one from knowing whether the foreknowledge was intentional or not. It must be improbable. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it reasonably could be the result of a pure guess, because foreknowledge requires a person to actually know a statement and a guess is not valid knowledge. This also excludes contemporary beliefs that happened be true, without a solid reason for said beliefs. It must have been unknown. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it reasonably could be the result of an educated guess based off contemporary knowledge, because foreknowledge requires a person to know a statement when it would have been impossible, outside of supernatural power, for that person to know it. And my own: It can't be a prophecy if it was already happening in the bible. (Like "there will be scoffers") That's a good list but regardless of man's criteria, God's prophesies will all be fulfilled, though man tries to figure them out in advance and fails; "Now from the fig tree learn the illustration: Just as soon as its young branch grows tender and puts forth its leaves, YOU know that summer is near. 29 Likewise also YOU, when YOU see these things happening, know that he is near, at the doors. 30 Truly I say to YOU that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away." Mr13:28 |
Mystic Gohan User ID: 69871717 Australia 07/26/2015 02:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Prophesy isn't religion, it's events told in advance. Trying to figure where, when, and how they will happen is rolling dice, lol. Which biblical prophecies obey this criteria? It must be accurate. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it is not accurate, because knowledge (and thus foreknowledge) excludes inaccurate statements. It must be in the Bible. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it is not in the Bible, because Biblical foreknowledge definitionally can only come from the Bible itself. It must be unambiguous. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if multiple outcomes could fulfill the foreknowledge, because ambiguity prevents one from knowing whether the foreknowledge was intentional or not. It must be improbable. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it reasonably could be the result of a pure guess, because foreknowledge requires a person to actually know a statement and a guess is not valid knowledge. This also excludes contemporary beliefs that happened be true, without a solid reason for said beliefs. It must have been unknown. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it reasonably could be the result of an educated guess based off contemporary knowledge, because foreknowledge requires a person to know a statement when it would have been impossible, outside of supernatural power, for that person to know it. And my own: It can't be a prophecy if it was already happening in the bible. (Like "there will be scoffers") That's a good list but regardless of man's criteria, God's prophesies will all be fulfilled, though man tries to figure them out in advance and fails; "Now from the fig tree learn the illustration: Just as soon as its young branch grows tender and puts forth its leaves, YOU know that summer is near. 29 Likewise also YOU, when YOU see these things happening, know that he is near, at the doors. 30 Truly I say to YOU that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away." Mr13:28 So you just pretend the prophecies that were not fulfilled don't exist? The ones that were meant to have happened already. Or do you pretend they were not meant to actually happen. Like: Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will bring a sword upon thee, and cut off man and beast out of thee. And the land of Egypt shall be desolate and waste; and they shall know that I am the LORD: because he hath said, The river is mine, and I have made it. Behold, therefore I am against thee, and against thy rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia. No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years. And I will make the land of Egypt desolate in the midst of the countries that are desolate, and her cities among the cities that are laid waste shall be desolate forty years: and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries. Yet thus saith the Lord GOD; At the end of forty years will I gather the Egyptians from the people whither they were scattered: And I will bring again the captivity of Egypt, and will cause them to return into the land of Pathros, into the land of their habitation; and they shall be there a base kingdom. It shall be the basest of the kingdoms; neither shall it exalt itself any more above the nations: for I will diminish them, that they shall no more rule over the nations. |
DGN (OP) User ID: 19459852 United States 07/26/2015 02:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: DGN Prophesy isn't religion, it's events told in advance. Trying to figure where, when, and how they will happen is rolling dice, lol. Which biblical prophecies obey this criteria? It must be accurate. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it is not accurate, because knowledge (and thus foreknowledge) excludes inaccurate statements. It must be in the Bible. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it is not in the Bible, because Biblical foreknowledge definitionally can only come from the Bible itself. It must be unambiguous. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if multiple outcomes could fulfill the foreknowledge, because ambiguity prevents one from knowing whether the foreknowledge was intentional or not. It must be improbable. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it reasonably could be the result of a pure guess, because foreknowledge requires a person to actually know a statement and a guess is not valid knowledge. This also excludes contemporary beliefs that happened be true, without a solid reason for said beliefs. It must have been unknown. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it reasonably could be the result of an educated guess based off contemporary knowledge, because foreknowledge requires a person to know a statement when it would have been impossible, outside of supernatural power, for that person to know it. And my own: It can't be a prophecy if it was already happening in the bible. (Like "there will be scoffers") That's a good list but regardless of man's criteria, God's prophesies will all be fulfilled, though man tries to figure them out in advance and fails; "Now from the fig tree learn the illustration: Just as soon as its young branch grows tender and puts forth its leaves, YOU know that summer is near. 29 Likewise also YOU, when YOU see these things happening, know that he is near, at the doors. 30 Truly I say to YOU that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away." Mr13:28 So you just pretend the prophecies that were not fulfilled don't exist? The ones that were meant to have happened already. Or do you pretend they were not meant to actually happen. Like: Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will bring a sword upon thee, and cut off man and beast out of thee. And the land of Egypt shall be desolate and waste; and they shall know that I am the LORD: because he hath said, The river is mine, and I have made it. Behold, therefore I am against thee, and against thy rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia. No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years. And I will make the land of Egypt desolate in the midst of the countries that are desolate, and her cities among the cities that are laid waste shall be desolate forty years: and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries. Yet thus saith the Lord GOD; At the end of forty years will I gather the Egyptians from the people whither they were scattered: And I will bring again the captivity of Egypt, and will cause them to return into the land of Pathros, into the land of their habitation; and they shall be there a base kingdom. It shall be the basest of the kingdoms; neither shall it exalt itself any more above the nations: for I will diminish them, that they shall no more rule over the nations. I have no knowledge of ancient Egypt but 40 years of desolation isn't much. What became of the city Ramses built, seems like there's nothing left but the pyramids? What became of pharaoh's prophetic dream of 7 years of plenty and 7 years of famine, and the store houses he was to build? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69498466 Australia 07/26/2015 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Then put some critical thought to it and realized it's all bunk. Evolution is a religion, with Charles darwin as their prophet and chance and dice rolling as their god. All fictitious nonsense. |
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Mystic Gohan User ID: 69871717 Australia 07/26/2015 03:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Mystic Gohan Which biblical prophecies obey this criteria? It must be accurate. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it is not accurate, because knowledge (and thus foreknowledge) excludes inaccurate statements. It must be in the Bible. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it is not in the Bible, because Biblical foreknowledge definitionally can only come from the Bible itself. It must be unambiguous. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if multiple outcomes could fulfill the foreknowledge, because ambiguity prevents one from knowing whether the foreknowledge was intentional or not. It must be improbable. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it reasonably could be the result of a pure guess, because foreknowledge requires a person to actually know a statement and a guess is not valid knowledge. This also excludes contemporary beliefs that happened be true, without a solid reason for said beliefs. It must have been unknown. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it reasonably could be the result of an educated guess based off contemporary knowledge, because foreknowledge requires a person to know a statement when it would have been impossible, outside of supernatural power, for that person to know it. And my own: It can't be a prophecy if it was already happening in the bible. (Like "there will be scoffers") That's a good list but regardless of man's criteria, God's prophesies will all be fulfilled, though man tries to figure them out in advance and fails; "Now from the fig tree learn the illustration: Just as soon as its young branch grows tender and puts forth its leaves, YOU know that summer is near. 29 Likewise also YOU, when YOU see these things happening, know that he is near, at the doors. 30 Truly I say to YOU that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away." Mr13:28 So you just pretend the prophecies that were not fulfilled don't exist? The ones that were meant to have happened already. Or do you pretend they were not meant to actually happen. Like: Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will bring a sword upon thee, and cut off man and beast out of thee. And the land of Egypt shall be desolate and waste; and they shall know that I am the LORD: because he hath said, The river is mine, and I have made it. Behold, therefore I am against thee, and against thy rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia. No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years. And I will make the land of Egypt desolate in the midst of the countries that are desolate, and her cities among the cities that are laid waste shall be desolate forty years: and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries. Yet thus saith the Lord GOD; At the end of forty years will I gather the Egyptians from the people whither they were scattered: And I will bring again the captivity of Egypt, and will cause them to return into the land of Pathros, into the land of their habitation; and they shall be there a base kingdom. It shall be the basest of the kingdoms; neither shall it exalt itself any more above the nations: for I will diminish them, that they shall no more rule over the nations. I have no knowledge of ancient Egypt but 40 years of desolation isn't much. What became of the city Ramses built, seems like there's nothing left but the pyramids? What became of pharaoh's prophetic dream of 7 years of plenty and 7 years of famine, and the store houses he was to build? There is no evidence any of that ever happened, something as miraculous as that would have evidence. it says the nile river will dry up, it is still there...why would he make that kind of prophecy unless it was going to be within the bibles time? rivers do eventually dry up, so when it eventually does dry up christians will be like OMG GOD PREDICTED THIS! even if its 25,000 years from now... |
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DGN (OP) User ID: 19459852 United States 07/26/2015 03:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was taught evolution in school. The teacher told us all this is the way it is. Even believed it for a little. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69498466 Then put some critical thought to it and realized it's all bunk. Evolution is a religion, with Charles darwin as their prophet and chance and dice rolling as their god. All fictitious nonsense. My guess is most evolutionists don't believe it either, it's a disclaimer defense against the blasphemy threat of hellfire, as in claiming 'innocence by ignorance, nobody told me, he can't judge us for what we don't know.' The irony is there is no judgment after death, death itself is the penalty an God wipes the slate clean. "For he who has died has been acquitted from [his] sin." Ro6:7 |
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Northman User ID: 30455688 United States 07/26/2015 07:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | P.S. Male and female is an evolution thing where things have to reproduce themselves. God doesn't need to have or be a sex because God can produce and reproduce anything just by wishing things. Actually people didn't need to reproduce either because God could have just made everyone and all other living things too. Last Edited by Northman on 07/26/2015 07:52 PM |
DGN (OP) User ID: 19459852 United States 07/26/2015 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | P.S. Male and female is an evolution thing where things have to reproduce themselves. God doesn't need to have or be a sex because God can produce and reproduce anything just by wishing things. Actually people didn't need to reproduce either because God could have just made everyone and all other living things too. " Male and female is an evolution thing" What's wrong with this concept? |
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DGN (OP) User ID: 19459852 United States 07/27/2015 10:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh y e a h .... no wonder Pipefish went extinct, like apes? |
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DGN (OP) User ID: 19459852 United States 07/27/2015 10:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Are you suggesting that species have to go extinct in evolution for there to be new species? Please say no. If the cell replication process in Pipefish imploded and they suffered run away mutation why aren't they extinct? |
Mystic Gohan User ID: 69882699 Australia 07/27/2015 11:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Are you suggesting that species have to go extinct in evolution for there to be new species? Please say no. If the cell replication process in Pipefish imploded and they suffered run away mutation why aren't they extinct? You don't honestly think sea horses evolved from the same species of pipefish that are alive today right?????? "run away mutation"..... what? it sounds like you think mutations are always bad or mostly bad. Probably, with the exception of if you live in fukushima or chernobyl, that is wrong... Most mutations are neither harmful or helpful, just neutral mutations. Mutations themselves NEVER send a species extinct, it will be them not being able to cope in the environment due to sudden extreme change. And that is of course if there are no other populations of that species in different environments which would be rare in most cases i believe... Last Edited by Kakarot_ on 07/27/2015 11:25 AM |
CelestialMaiden User ID: 69466090 United States 07/28/2015 01:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Are you suggesting that species have to go extinct in evolution for there to be new species? Please say no. Who knows....go ask this expert...he will tell ya Last Edited by CelestialMaiden on 07/28/2015 01:15 AM |
DGN (OP) User ID: 19459852 United States 07/28/2015 11:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Are you suggesting that species have to go extinct in evolution for there to be new species? Please say no. If the cell replication process in Pipefish imploded and they suffered run away mutation why aren't they extinct? You don't honestly think sea horses evolved from the same species of pipefish that are alive today right?????? "run away mutation"..... what? it sounds like you think mutations are always bad or mostly bad. Probably, with the exception of if you live in fukushima or chernobyl, that is wrong... Most mutations are neither harmful or helpful, just neutral mutations. Mutations themselves NEVER send a species extinct, it will be them not being able to cope in the environment due to sudden extreme change. And that is of course if there are no other populations of that species in different environments which would be rare in most cases i believe... That's right no species went extinct from mutation or turned into a bigger better, new improved species from mutation because they are deliberately designed to replicate themselves. That's why pipe fish make more pipe fish, not seahorses. "And God went on to say: “Let the earth put forth living souls according to their kinds, domestic animal and moving animal and wild beast of the earth according to its kind.” And it came to be so. 25 And God proceeded to make the wild beast of the earth according to its kind and the domestic animal according to its kind and every moving animal of the ground according to its kind. And God got to see that [it was] good." Ge1;24 |
Mystic Gohan User ID: 69891447 Australia 07/28/2015 11:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Mystic Gohan Are you suggesting that species have to go extinct in evolution for there to be new species? Please say no. If the cell replication process in Pipefish imploded and they suffered run away mutation why aren't they extinct? You don't honestly think sea horses evolved from the same species of pipefish that are alive today right?????? "run away mutation"..... what? it sounds like you think mutations are always bad or mostly bad. Probably, with the exception of if you live in fukushima or chernobyl, that is wrong... Most mutations are neither harmful or helpful, just neutral mutations. Mutations themselves NEVER send a species extinct, it will be them not being able to cope in the environment due to sudden extreme change. And that is of course if there are no other populations of that species in different environments which would be rare in most cases i believe... That's right no species went extinct from mutation or turned into a bigger better, new improved species from mutation because they are deliberately designed to replicate themselves. That's why pipe fish make more pipe fish, not seahorses. "And God went on to say: “Let the earth put forth living souls according to their kinds, domestic animal and moving animal and wild beast of the earth according to its kind.” And it came to be so. 25 And God proceeded to make the wild beast of the earth according to its kind and the domestic animal according to its kind and every moving animal of the ground according to its kind. And God got to see that [it was] good." Ge1;24 WHAT THE FRIG?!!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS NOT EVOLUTION! oh my god......... We name distinct looking groups of animals, their names are not inbuilt in the animals. If a population of a species becomes distinct from the other populations in that species and they are no longer able to reproduce with the other populations, they are a new species. (looking distinct isn't a requirement, as long as they can't reproduce with the others they are still a new species). |