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McCain Blackmailed All Along

 
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Aside from any questions about his Forrestal actions, McCain had, in his short Navy career, crashed two planes and flown a third into power lines in Spain because of, as he put it, “daredevil clowning.”8

The investigation into the Forrestal fire was in the hands of Adm. Thomas Moorer, chief of naval operations and a close friend of McCain’s father. (Their friendship was why Moorer would personally convey the news to Adm. Jack McCain three months later that his son had been shot down in Vietnam.) Moorer gave the investigation to Rear Adm. Forsyth Massey, who handed in his report on Sept. 19, 1967. McCain received orders to report to the Oriskany on Sept. 30.9

During the period when John McCain was shot down over Hanoi on Oct. 26, 1967, less than a month after being assigned to the Oriskany, recent events—the Forrestal fire and his possible role in its growth, misgivings about “dropping more of that stuff” on Vietnam, his decision to leave the stricken ship for some “R&R” in Saigon, anxiety about his naval career—were fresh in his mind. What had been going on in McCain’s life may cast light on some of the decisions he made later as a prisoner of war. While he was a POW, he famously refused to be released early, electing not to leave his comrades behind.

After McCain made his first run for the presidency, in 2000, Gregory Freeman wrote a book on the fire, “Sailors to the End.” Freeman’s 2002 book appears to be mostly reliable, but it ignores key parts of the official report and hews closely to McCain’s claim that the Zuni rocket struck his plane, not Fred White’s, causing the two thousand-pound bombs to drop into the burning fuel.


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In addition to following McCain’s misleading narrative of the Zuni rocket accident to the letter, Freeman published an uncredited hand-drawn sketch purporting to show the Forrestal deck just before the fire. In that sketch, the plane in which White died is stripped of White’s name, even though Freeman printed the names of the other pilots near McCain’s plane and told their stories. The only place that White’s name appears is at the back of the book in a list of those who died. In the narrative of “Sailors to the End,” Fred White’s name is conspicuous by its absence.

After erasing White, Freeman’s sketch presents an incorrect line between the original position of the Zuni rocket and McCain’s plane, instead of showing the actual line that the rocket took in striking White’s plane. This sketch alone will cause the unwary reader to believe there is visual evidence to support the claim that the Zuni rocket hit McCain’s plane, not that of White, the pilot lost on the Forrestal and now airbrushed out of history, at least in Freeman’s book.

McCain wrote a glowing blurb for Freeman’s book, drawing and all, calling it a “riveting account.” The presence of his enthusiastic blurb on the book cover raises another issue: Freeman relied heavily on interviews of survivors who were close to the Forrestal events but he never quotes McCain directly or mentions having requested an interview with him. Because his book pushes McCain’s misleading and unsubstantiated account, Freeman should make public whether McCain, or people around him, played a role in the genesis of “Sailors to the End.”

IMHO he is a piece of yellow shit.....even if he did not wet start that plane he abandoned his crew.....makes one go uhummm about the capture and staying to the end with his fellow sailors, yea he suddenly is doing the right thing, doubtful, once a coward .......
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No only that. As a POW he told the Vietkong many secrets that costs thousands of american soldiers life.
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This, and my friends.
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They, the vietkong, called him the "songbird"...
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tired of these people getting away with their crimes, but oh god give me a ticket for no seat belt :/
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Why was the uninjured McCain immediately choppered off of the Forrestal to the Oriskany? Things that make you go hmmmm....
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he couldnt have this as his legacy huh?

MACAINS CAPTURE WAS A FALSE FLAG MAYBE -- FAKE !!


so he woudl be remembered for something more noble
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I have thought this along that his capture might have been a false flag. They probably flew him to some secluded place to avoid what he did on the Forrestal.
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you don't last that long in politics without having a walk in closet full of rattling skeletons waiting to smack you down
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From wikipedia:
killing 134, injuring 161, destroying 21 aircraft and costing the Navy US$72 million (1967)
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McCain famously killed more sailors in one day than the VC did during the entire war.
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tired of these people getting away with their crimes, but oh god give me a ticket for no seat belt :/
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John McCain graduated 5th from the bottom of his 800 man graduating class (naval). He lost 3-4 planes while serving. He has crashed a private plane once or twice (I think twice). After he returned home from being a "POW" he found out his wife and mother of three was in a horrible car crash, which left her disfigured. What did he do? He divorced her and married a woman 18 years younger the next month. As a politician, he blocked attempts to rescue POWs.

Does this sound like a war hero? Or does this sound like a spoiled brat with something to hide whose Admiral daddy bailed him out of every situation in life.

Here's and interview with McCain's original wife...

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]


Another story about McCain breaking as a POW and confessing to get out of torture.

[link to www.theamericanconservative.com]
 Quoting: Zedakah


Thanks for the Daily Mail Article, Zedakah.

Wow. I always knew McCain was a dick, but I didn't know he was THAT much of a dick.

Kind of explains his daughter Meghan, too. She has an evil streak in her -- now I know where she got it. The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree...
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Why was the uninjured McCain immediately choppered off of the Forrestal to the Oriskany? Things that make you go hmmmm....
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Elite class
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His daddy.
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Canaan brother of Abel?!chuckle
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John McCain graduated 5th from the bottom of his 800 man graduating class (naval). He lost 3-4 planes while serving. He has crashed a private plane once or twice (I think twice). After he returned home from being a "POW" he found out his wife and mother of three was in a horrible car crash, which left her disfigured. What did he do? He divorced her and married a woman 18 years younger the next month. As a politician, he blocked attempts to rescue POWs.

Does this sound like a war hero? Or does this sound like a spoiled brat with something to hide whose Admiral daddy bailed him out of every situation in life.

Here's and interview with McCain's original wife...

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]


Another story about McCain breaking as a POW and confessing to get out of torture.

[link to www.theamericanconservative.com]
 Quoting: Zedakah


Thanks for the Daily Mail Article, Zedakah.

Wow. I always knew McCain was a dick, but I didn't know he was THAT much of a dick.

Kind of explains his daughter Meghan, too. She has an evil streak in her -- now I know where she got it. The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree...
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I think it would be funny if his daughter got spit out the bottom of the porn industry.
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WAS THIS MISSED?

 The one thing that the McCain campaign does not want to see released is the record of McCain’s antics on board the USS Forestal in 1967. McCain was personally responsible for the deadliest fire in the history of the US Navy. That catastrophe, with 27 dead and over 100 wounded trumps McCain’s record as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam
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WRONG ... !!

134 DEAD and 161 injured!!



EVERYONE in the first firefighting crew that hit the deck DIED (about 25+- ... those are the guys who saved McCain fwiw) ... and most of those in the second firefighting crew DIED.
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I very much DISLIKE McCAIN BUT,The back of his A-4 was pointed to the side of the ship , there wasn't a plane behind him. The rocket from the F4 was on the other side of the ship pointed at McCains plane. I just watched a documentary on the Forestal fire.
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My father was a Navy combat A-4 pilot during Vietnam. I asked him about McCain and this "wet-start" years ago. He told me it is impossible to wet start an A-4E and this theory is total bullshit. My father despises McCain(as do I) and has no reason to defend him. McCain has done a lot of terrible shit but the Forrestal fire was not his fault due to Wet-Start.
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There are three ways a wet-start could happen. Pooling fuel into the engine via afterburner. A failed first start. Deliberate not starting the engine forcing fuel to be pooled in the engine. The A-4 is incapable of pooling fuel into the engine. It has no afterburner. However it could have had a failed first start or the pilot didn't start the engine when being run up.

Unless there is original uncut footage with McCain's plane in full view showing McCain starting his plane with its tail over the ocean and then being moved to the flight line, there is no definitive proof that he couldn't have done it, also there is no definitive proof that he did do it. Presumed innocence is the way we worked out things in the United States back then. McCain enjoys the benefit of the doubt.
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McCain has been in the spotlight for decades, and also has many enemies that could have used this years ago. This hasn't been a primarily featured propaganda attack against him until everyone scrambled to justify Trump's comments.
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Media and govt covers for McCain because his father headed the investigation into ISRAEL's deliberate attack on USS LIBERTY- and made sure it was covered up. what else would ensure the media keep their mouth shut on such criminality, except to benefit the TRIBE?
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McCain solely responsible for Forrestal fire and deaths. WTF BLACKMAILED ALL ALONG

WMR has been informed that crewmen aboard the Forrestal have provided additional information about the Forrestal incident. It is believed by many crewmen and those who have investigated the case that McCain deliberately “wet-started” his A-4E to shake up the guy in the plane behind his A-4. “Wet-starts”, done either deliberately or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft.

In McCain’s case, the “wet-start” apparently “cooked off” and launched the Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that touched off the explosions and massive fire. The F-4 pilot was reportedly killed in the conflagration. “Wet starting” was apparently a common practice among young “hot-dog” pilots.

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somebody here posted that his model of plane couldn't be wet started

read somewhere else that he hit the afterburners while still on deck and that exploded the war head

and i find it hard to believe that mccrime didn't have something to do with the forrestal fire if he was the first person to be choppered off of it, instead of the injured
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Why was the uninjured McCain immediately choppered off of the Forrestal to the Oriskany? Things that make you go hmmmm....
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Elite class
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His daddy.
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clappa
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Johnny songbird.
Freedom requires breathing room, the Constitution presupposes that there will be some crazies among us so that the rest of us can enjoy freedom. - Judge Andrew Napolitano

A huge shit cloud is coming!
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I was in the navy, we had to watch flight deck film of the incident. McCain should have served a life term in Portsmouth prison...
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Same here! Coast Guard though.
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So, his prisoner of war period is sounding like it was very convenient for him,

and he's been beholden ever since.

Is this what I'm hearing here?

Ha, starting to think he ejected over Hanoi on purpose.
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And there ya go.
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Trumps tirade wasn't only aimed @ Mexicans I see these Viet Nam immigrunts going back & forth and think of all the working class white guys who went on a 1 way trip !!! ruined many white working class families that war & black + latino as well !!! so China take the Spratly's ho chi minh city can pound sand !!bumpcool2
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One cannot get elected is One is not able to be blackmailed. Prerequisite for our rulers.....skeletons in one's closet.
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One cannot get elected is One is not able to be blackmailed. Prerequisite for our rulers.....skeletons in one's closet.
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Something to think about.

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One cannot get elected if One is not able to be blackmailed. Prerequisite for our rulers.....skeletons in one's closet.
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John McCain graduated 5th from the bottom of his 800 man graduating class (naval). He lost 3-4 planes while serving. He has crashed a private plane once or twice (I think twice). After he returned home from being a "POW" he found out his wife and mother of three was in a horrible car crash, which left her disfigured. What did he do? He divorced her and married a woman 18 years younger the next month. As a politician, he blocked attempts to rescue POWs.

Does this sound like a war hero? Or does this sound like a spoiled brat with something to hide whose Admiral daddy bailed him out of every situation in life.

Here's and interview with McCain's original wife...

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]


Another story about McCain breaking as a POW and confessing to get out of torture.

[link to www.theamericanconservative.com]
 Quoting: Zedakah


McCain is a lecherous old warmonger. He will burn in hell unless he repents.
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What the fuck is this about?
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So, his prisoner of war period is sounding like it was very convenient for him,

and he's been beholden ever since.

Is this what I'm hearing here?

Ha, starting to think he ejected over Hanoi on purpose.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67476524


Sort of like Caitlyn Jenner using his/her (whatever) "coming out" moment to deemphasize and hide the car accident where he killed that old Asian lady.

Opportunity knocks......you take it. groucho

Yep. ohyeah
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i've said it before and say it again
he should not have been allowed in the cockpit
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One cannot get elected is One is not able to be blackmailed. Prerequisite for our rulers.....skeletons in one's closet.
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i've said it before and say it again
he should not have been allowed in the cockpit
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He just doesn't have the heart of a real aviator
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Wow, if this is true, how did he become a US Senator and how did he stay a US Senator for all these years.

Rumor has it that he really mistreated his original wife that's probably something else they have failed to bring out. Heck like Kechup heiress hubby, beer heiresses are good too.
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McCain and Kerry are cut from the same cloth. Treasonous bastards who sold out their country, colleagues, and clan. Both married rich bitches to get into government. They both make me want to puke.
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That Trump does not mention this is telling on HIS character. Trump cavorts with Jews and his daughter is married to one and many of his advisors are Jews.
McCain is married to a Jewess beer fortune heiress and that is his handler.
That Trump does not out Graham as a homo (note the sh-t eating smile) is telling.





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