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Reasons to change the standard of tuning from 440 to 432

 
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Reasons to change the standard of tuning from 440 to 432
1. Harmonically aligns to astronomical time count of Precession of the equinoxes, 432 X 60 = 25920

2. The original Stradivarius violin was designed to be tuned to 432, it is the most precise instrument ever constructed by humans.

3. 432 is found at countless ancient sacred sites Furia's virtual tour of sacred sites along with such key locations as the Great Pyramid in Egypt, 432 is found at the largest Buddhist temple in the world The borobudur - At the Borobudur the amount of statues at "The temple of countless Buddhas" is 432

4. over 2,000 signatures on a petition to the Italian government to change the standard to 432 due to the registers ripping many opera singers voices in 440 (it fell on deaf ears)


5. The most important of all is when the correction to 432 is made, the others notes of the entire octave display a multitude of Gematrian ancient sacred numbers that are astoundingly relative to astronomy, sacred geometry, The Bible and other mysterious literary works such as the Bhagavad-gita and exact longitude and latitudes and hundreds of pyramids and other sacred sites.


"The ancient monument builders did nothing by chance" says Graham Hancock , author of Fingerprints Of The Gods. As responsible free-thinkers we must determine the multi-purposes of these very curious tuning and ancient numbers systems.

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Re: Reasons to change the standard of tuning from 440 to 432
so if they did this, music would sound better or more natural? id like to hear some experiemental music done with that.
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Re: Reasons to change the standard of tuning from 440 to 432
many guitarists tune a half step down, to E flat, Van Halen, SRV, Hendrix ...hmmm
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Re: Reasons to change the standard of tuning from 440 to 432
quick and easy - tune down 1/2 step.
go on - try it.
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Re: Reasons to change the standard of tuning from 440 to 432
3. 432 is found at countless ancient sacred sites Furia's virtual tour of sacred sites along with such key locations as the Great Pyramid in Egypt, 432 is found at the largest Buddhist temple in the world The borobudur - At the Borobudur the amount of statues at "The temple of countless Buddhas" is 432

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What do you mean, 432 is "found at countless ancient sacred sites?" I don't know what that means.


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Re: Reasons to change the standard of tuning from 440 to 432
quick and easy - tune down 1/2 step.
go on - try it.
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A half tone would be much more than that from 440 to 432.
Divide 440 or 432 by 1,06, the twelfth root of 2, means 2^(1/12) to get a half tone lower.
432 would result in 407,5 and 440 in 415 Hz so tuning it from E to E flat has nothing to do with this slight retuning mentioned in the op.
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Re: Reasons to change the standard of tuning from 440 to 432
The ONLY valid reason for changing the standard would be a musical one, e.g., it's easier for tuning purposes. The reasons you state are totally irrelevant to musicians and are examples of disconnected, woo-woo thinking to be find here at GLP.
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Re: Reasons to change the standard of tuning from 440 to 432
The ONLY valid reason for changing the standard would be a musical one, e.g., it's easier for tuning purposes. The reasons you state are totally irrelevant to musicians and are examples of disconnected, woo-woo thinking to be find here at GLP.
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How do you know it isn't easier?

Musicians use 440 because they were socialized to use 440. A counter-socialization movement could easily change that.

Besides, 440 is used only because it was cheaper and easier to make pitch-pipes at that frequency.

You obviously haven't seen a dozen drunken professional musicians in an out and out brawl over the interpretation of passages from pieces written by Mozart or Beethoven.

No one alive today has ever heard a piece written by the old masters and conducted by them, therefore, we have no idea how those pieces were intended to sound, we can only guess, which is individual interpretation.
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Re: Reasons to change the standard of tuning from 440 to 432
yep and opera singers can hit all there notes easier when orchistra is tuned to 432
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Re: Reasons to change the standard of tuning from 440 to 432
according to my calculations, if you tuned to e-flat on the guitar, in standard tuning you would have an a-flat as your '2nd' string.

but if you are yet assuming 'a' to equal 440, the a-flat string in an e-flat tuning would be roughly 421.6666 cycles

in either event tuning to e-flat doesn't appear to result in, '432 tuning'...

in other words, 432 is not a half-step below 440... rather, it is a some kind of 'semi-tone in distance'...

here is another thing... if one is using a 12-tone scale, why not have notes 'a' through 'l' with no sharps or flats?

a staff with perhaps 6 lines?

as it is, the sharp-flat system with the 5-line/4-space staff is a fascinating invention... apparently a way of at once musical shorthand and 'visual compression' for those who care to learn it ....

but a question persists: does it represent the 'natural universe' or is it rather a 'cultural convention?'

another key to all of this... it is the tri-tone... that frequency directly between any given 2 octave notes... for example the d# or e-flat between 'a 440' and 'a 880'...

it used to be 'illegal' (during the inquisition or somesuch) because it was thought to be 'the devil's note'...

as it turns out, the 'doubly-diminished 7' chord gives us a 'haunted house' sound... for instance, the simple g# b d f combination found in 'a, harmonic minor'...

and here we haven't even delved much into semi-tones... scales with more than 12 tones.... as sometimes found in both the near and far east...

did you know that steve vai built one guitar which was divided into quarter tones?... whereas the standard, 'western' guitar is divided into half-tones (or half-steps)... his special guitar broke it down into quarters... 24-frets per octave... that must have been a long neck on that bad boy!

the standard, 'grand piano' is an insrument of astounding depth and beauty... yet it is rigid in its 12-tone structure...

the standard electric guitar, with its 12-fret setup, appears at first glance to be regimented like the piano... yet the use of 'string bends,' 'whammy bars,' and 'false harmonics' allow the guitarist access to a dizzying array of available tones...

of course 'modern,' 'keyboardists' may have the most flexibility of all, what with all of the advances in synthesizer, sequencer, and sampler technology and whatnot...

it is interesting in any event; the op's original premise that the 440 tuning is hard on the human voice, and that basing 'everything' musical off of 432 rather than 440 would put western music as a whole more 'into sync' with the universe at large...

interestingly, if we take a=440 and of course a=220, then the intervals break down into 18.33333 cycles apart... 220 (the distance between the 2 'a' notes) divided by 12 is 18.33333

it is fascinating to note that if we were to employ a=432 and by definition, a=216... that the intervals would be a round number, 18...

216/12 = 18

and 432/12 = (36 of course)

fascinating...

perhaps there is some 'musical conspiracy' to be uncovered, or is it all simple an 'accident' of hystory?

finally, here is another thing to consider, whether in a=440 or a=432... the 7-note scales derived from the '12-tone palette' of notes...

professor bainbridge has devised 3 new types of minor:

"dynamic minor" ... example based on the key of 'a-flat':

a-flat b c d e f g

this one could be explained in terms of western theory as 'a, harmonic minor with the 'tonic' ('a') removed and the g retained, and the g# renamed to a-flat'... this key wishes to resolve to either the 'a minor triad' or - perhaps secondarily - to the 'f minor triad'... interestingly, the 'a minor triad' doesn't even exist within the structure of the key....

let's now look at professor bainbridge's, "contratonic" minor:
here in the key of 'e minor'

e f## g## a# b# c# d#

this one is amazing... i have not yet found any way to describe it in classical theoretical terms...


let's have a look at 'kinetic minor,' also discovered/invented by professor bainbridge:

in the key of 'd minor'

d e# f# g# a b c

interestingly, this one is in 'd minor' but it looks like 'a, melodic minor with an e# thrown in'... or 'let's play in a, melodic minor but with an f (e#) note instead of an e note'

as an offshoot of these keys by professor bainbridge, i have 'thrown together' 'astral minor' which in the key of 'a minor' is:

a b c d e f gb

described as, 'let's take 'a minor' with an f and an f# but leave out g and g#'

or 'unorthodox minor' which is a 9-note scale... in 'a minor' it is:

a b c d e f f# g g#

now it could be said that this is simply 'melodic minor without the '6th and 7th sharped when going up, normal when going down' rule'...

when notating this one in 9-note fashion, the notes are:

a b c d e f g-flat h (g) i (g#)

interestingly, in all of these new minor keys ... whether bainbridge's discoveries or my own meanderings... if you 'build out' the triads... it's some crazy stuff...

for example, in 'e contratonic minor' you have:
e g## b# (could be stated as 'a minor')
f## a# c# ('g diminished')
g## b# d# ('a diminished')
a# c# e ('a# diminished')
b# d# f## ('c minor')
c# e g## ('A Major')
d# f## a# ('D# Major')

it's phreaking brilliant!

bainbridge's are perhaps more interesting in that they all eschew 'consecutive half-steps'

so the question there is, why were these keys - particularly professor bainbridge's - seemingly ignored in western musical theory?

in any event, going to a=432 seems like it would be a good move...
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Re: Reasons to change the standard of tuning from 440 to 432
To tune a stringed instrument would be easy to convert, however, other instruments that have tuning slides might present a problem to convert to 432. There would have to be a total redesign of brass and woodwind instruments to accomodate the retune to fit the diatonic scale.

Don't get me wrong, I am in favor of a more natural resonance. As long as we're at it, we sould shitcan the equal tempered diatonic scale and move to what Pythagoras intended, which is a true tempered scale. I would also like to hear 1/4 tone scales like Eastern music has. See if you can throw that in too please.
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Re: Reasons to change the standard of tuning from 440 to 432
i was mistaken about how to determine the freqs... i had thought it a simple matter of dividing the interval between two octaves by 12... for example, 220/12 or 440/12... apparently it's not that simple...

which begs the question: if we did base everything on 432 instead of 440, would it be that simple?... would we then be able to simply divide 216 for example into 12 (=18)?

anyway, here are some freqs:

Note Frequency
A_ 27.500000000000000
A# 29.135235094880619
B_ 30.867706328507756
C_ 32.703195662574829
C# 34.647828872109012
D_ 36.708095989675945
D# 38.890872965260113
E_ 41.203444614108741
F_ 43.653528929125485
F# 46.249302838954299
G_ 48.999429497718661
G# 51.913087197493142
A_ 55.000000000000000
A# 58.270470189761239
B_ 61.735412657015513
C_ 65.406391325149658
C# 69.295657744218024
D_ 73.416191979351890
D# 77.781745930520227
E_ 82.406889228217482
F_ 87.307057858250971
F# 92.498605677908599
G_ 97.998858995437323
G# 103.826174394986284
A_ 110.000000000000000
A# 116.540940379522479
B_ 123.470825314031027
C_ 130.812782650299317
C# 138.591315488436048
D_ 146.832383958703780
D# 155.563491861040455
E_ 164.813778456434964
F_ 174.614115716501942
F# 184.997211355817199
G_ 195.997717990874647
G# 207.652348789972569
A_ 220.000000000000000
A# 233.081880759044958
B_ 246.941650628062055
C_ 261.625565300598634 This is "middle C"
C# 277.182630976872096
D_ 293.664767917407560
D# 311.126983722080910
E_ 329.627556912869929
F_ 349.228231433003884
F# 369.994422711634398
G_ 391.995435981749294
G# 415.304697579945138
A_ 440.000000000000000
A# 466.163761518089916
B_ 493.883301256124111
C_ 523.251130601197269
C# 554.365261953744192
D_ 587.329535834815120
D# 622.253967444161821
E_ 659.255113825739859
F_ 698.456462866007768
F# 739.988845423268797
G_ 783.990871963498588
G# 830.609395159890277
A_ 880.000000000000000
A# 932.327523036179832
B_ 987.766602512248223
C_ 1046.502261202394538
C# 1108.730523907488384
D_ 1174.659071669630241
D# 1244.507934888323642
E_ 1318.510227651479718
F_ 1396.912925732015537
F# 1479.977690846537595
G_ 1567.981743926997176
G# 1661.218790319780554
A_ 1760.000000000000000
A# 1864.655046072359665
B_ 1975.533205024496447
C_ 2093.004522404789077
C# 2217.461047814976769
D_ 2349.318143339260482
D# 2489.015869776647285
E_ 2637.020455302959437
F_ 2793.825851464031075
F# 2959.955381693075191
G_ 3135.963487853994352
G# 3322.437580639561108
A_ 3520.000000000000000
A# 3729.310092144719331
B_ 3951.066410048992894
C_ 4186.009044809578154

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Re: Reasons to change the standard of tuning from 440 to 432
whoah... hadn't thought of how this might affect woodwinds and brass...

"Keyboard instruments like your piano made things more complicated. Each
piano key participates in a number of different chords, and it turns
out that the key would have to be tuned slightly differently for each
chord. Around the time of Bach, there was a lot of debate about this,
and it was decided to go with a compromise called "equal tempering"
that has each note a little bit off from what it should be, so that
each chord will sound okay, though none is perfect."

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3. 432 is found at countless ancient sacred sites Furia's virtual tour of sacred sites along with such key locations as the Great Pyramid in Egypt, 432 is found at the largest Buddhist temple in the world The borobudur - At the Borobudur the amount of statues at "The temple of countless Buddhas" is 432
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I am not musically informed enough to follow this entire argument, but here's some interesting info re an "ancient sacred site", complete w/music in which "... the musical note A below middle C vibrates at 440 KHz and produces a shape that looks like a rhombus.", whatever that may mean, & the music sounds pretty good to my untrained ears.

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Re: Reasons to change the standard of tuning from 440 to 432
This whole thread is very fascinating to me.
I could tune my celtic harp to 432...easily with a strobe-tuner. But not everyone has a strobe tuner! Most tuner's won't let you vary from 440.

That aside, the dynamic, kinetic, melodic, augmented melodic (that one's my own) and contratonic minor scales you mention are ones I've been using because my harp levers allow me only "so much" variation on songs.

It's been really expansive for my work, and knocks down some of the preceonceptions that "music theory" taught me at college, etc. It is ALL just "theory" after all :) And the music on the page is just "notes" to remind you how to think of it - how it's supposed to go, to a degree anyway.

And true to the person who wrote that we don't know what classical music was supposed to sound like. We only have their "notes".

And...that's a good thing! It forces you to make it your own.

Speaking of which, I'm off to re-tune my harp. Will bookmark this page and let you know how it sounds when I record it!

In all fairness, I should say, I'm primarily a flutist, and keyboardist. Harp is a recent musical acquisition, and I'm happy to be in a wildly experimental phase!!

So thanks for the random-googled-input. (of course, I was looking for something totally unrelated.....)
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Ok, I figured out how to re-tune my alto flute to 432. It's not hard because it's not that far off. I would venture that most "winds" would have enough +/- allowance.
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Re: Reasons to change the standard of tuning from 440 to 432
This guy
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makes guitars with different tunings (prime, 21-tone, harmonic series)

There's a whole load of MP3's you can listen to as well on his site showing how this music sounds.
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WTH this isn't music appreciation101 this is a conspiracy site.
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Sorry its long but i was in a discussion last year about this subject and here are some notes i collected.

Let's ask what is a Herz? A whole cycle of a wave in one second.
What is a second then? 1/60 of a minute or as it's definition - the fraction 1/31,556,925.9747 of the tropical year for 1900 January 0 at 12 hours ephemeris time?

As for our tuning issue,

Let's say A = 432.
This will mean the following octave of frequencies:

E = 432 x 3 / 2 = 324
B = 324 x 3 / 2 = 486
F# = 486 x 3 / 2 / 2 = 364.5
C# = 364.5 x 3 / 2 / 2 = 273.375
G# = 273.375 x 3 / 2 = 410.0625
D# = 410.0625 x 3 / 2 / 2 = 307.546875
A# = 307.546875 x 3 / 2 = 461.3203125
F = 461.3203125 x 3 / 2 = 345.990234375 (~346)
C = 346 x 3 / 2 / 2 = 259.5
G = 259.5 x 3 / 2 = 389.25
D = 389.25 x 3 / 2 / 2 = 291.9375
A = 291.9375 x 3 / 2 = 437.9

Let's say A = 440.
This will mean the following octave of frequencies(using opposite direction of division by 3):

D = 440 / 3 * 2 = 293.3333...
G = 293.3333... / 3 * 2 * 2 = 391.1111...
C = 391.1111... / 3 * 2 = 260.740740...
F = 260.740740... / 3 * 2 * 2 = 347.6543...
A# = 347.6543... / 3 * 2 * 2 = 463.539
D# = 463.539 / 3 * 2 = ~309
G# = 309 / 3 * 2 * 2 = 412
C# = 412 / 3 * 2 = 274.6666...
F# = 274.6666... / 3 * 2 * 2 = 366.2222...
B = 366.2222... / 3 * 2 * 2 = ~488
E = 488 / 3 * 2 = 325.3333...
A = 325.3333 / 3 * 2 * 2 = 433.777....

Notice the similar C notes, and notice the other notes - esspecially A.

So maybe the 3/2 way of doing these things is wrong...

Which tone is 1 Hz?

Why A should be 432Hz?






Let's bring this A to its first tone by dividing by 2 untill we reach a fraction point:

432 / 2 / 2 / 2 / 2 = 27

Should I use 3/2 method again?

to reach D I'll divide by 3:

27 / 3 = 9

to reach G I'll divide by 3 again:

9 / 3 = 3

to reach C I'll divide by 3 once again:

3 / 3 = 1

Does this mean C will be the tone of 1Hz?

And if D is 9Hz, then let's multiply it by 2 to reach a higher D tone:

9 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 = 288Hz

We want to reinvent the evenly tempered scale of tones? What frequncy table do you suggest we shall use with the 'new' 432Hz of A? I'd appreciate the input.

-Adding the digits of any note in 432 adds to 9
-There a 9 levels of conscious awarness (underworlds)..................................
-Scales are 7 notes and 6 intervals = 13 events = one octave
-There are 7 days and 6 nights to every conscious level (Underworld) = 13 events = also one octave............................
-Pinnacle events are always on the 5th day and 5th night.
-Musicians have the "Cycle of Fifths"......................................
-Music has 3 note triads that when played in 432 cover all the harmonic octaves that cannot
be reproduced with A-440hz. and when you hear the word triad you instantly think of the triangle.




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C - Mars
D - Sol
E - Mercury
F# - Venus
G# - Moon
A - Saturn
A# - Jupiter

C - Aries
C# - Taurus
D - Gemini
D# - Cancer
E - Leo
F - Virgo
F# - Libra
G - Scorpio
G# - Sagittarius
A - Capricorn
A# - Aquarius
B - Pisces

Saturn 69.3 BPM
Moon 98.6 BPM
Mercury 66.2 BPM
Venus 103.7 BPM
Sun 118.3 BPM
Mars 67.8 BPM
Jupiter 86.1 BPM
Nepturne 99.1 BPM
Pluto 65.7 BPM
Uranus 97.2 BPM

Aleph E Air
Beth E Mercury
Gimel G# Moon
Daleth F# Venus
Heh C Aries
Vav C# Taurus
Zayin D Gemini
Cheth D# Cancer
Teth E Leo
Yod F Virgo
Kaph A# Jupiter
Lamed F# Libra
Mem G# Water
Nun G Scoprio
Samekh G# Sagittarius
Ayin A Capricorn
Peh C Mars
Tzaddi A# Aquarius
Qoph B Pisces
Resh D Sun
Shin C Fire
Tav A Saturn

Elemental Notes:
C - Fire
E - Air
G# - Water
A - Earth

Alchemical Notes:

C - Sulfur
E - Mercury
G# - Salt

Tarot Correspondences:

The Fool E
The Magus E
High Preistess G#
Empress F#
Emperor C
Hierophant C#
Lovers D
Chariot D#
Strength E
The Hermit F
Wheel of Fortune A#
Justice F#
The Hanged Man G#
Death G
Temperance G#
The Devil A
The Tower C
The Star A#
The Moon B
The Sun D
Judgement C
The Universe A

Color Note Interp 1 Interp 2

Red C Mars Mars
Red-Orange C#
Orange D Mercury Sun
Yellow E Sun Mercury
Yellow-Green F
Green F# Venus Venus
Bue-Green G
Blue G# Jupiter Moon
Blue-Violet A Saturn Saturn
Violet A# Moon Jupiter
Red-Violet B

We'll Start with Chakra-Color,Their ELF waves-And Musical Note Correspondences

Root Red 8hz C
Svadhisthana Orange 9hz D
Solar Plexus Yellow 10hz E
Heart Green 10.5hz F
Throat Blue 12hz G
3rd eye/Brow Indigo 13hz A
Crown White 15hz B

Physical Plane/Body Root Chakra
Lower Plane Sound: akin to a low rumbling thunder
Higher Plane Sound: soft whistling sound

Astral Plane/Body Svadhisthana Chakra
Lower Plane Sound: Roar of the ocean
Higher Plane Sound: akin to gentle wind blowing through tress

Mental Plane/Body Solar Plexus
Lower Plane Sound: Bell/Gong Sound
Higher Plane Sound: Waterfall, Rushing Water

Intuitive Plane/Body Heart Chakra
Lower Plane Sound: buzzing, like a light swarming of bees
Higher Plane Sound: Flute Like Tones

Spiritual Plane/Body Throat Chakra
Lower Plane Sound: Wind
Higher Plane Sound: Humming, "ohm"

Collective Mind Plane/Body: 3rd Eye, the Brow Chakra
Lower Plane Sound: Similiar to distant violins carried by the wind
Higher Plane Sound: Similiar to deep woodwinds

Divine Plane/Body: Crown Chakra
Lower Plane Sound: Soft "huuuu..."
Higher Plane Sound: All sound and no sound felt as opposed to heard

Root Saturn Prithivi (earth) Lead
Svadhisthana Mars Apas (water) Iron
Solar Plexus Jupiter Tejas (fire) Tin
Heart Sun Vayu (air) Gold
Throat Venus Akasha(Spirit-Ether) Copper
3rd Eye Moon All 5 Tattwas Synthesized Silver
Crown Mercury Singularity presented as a point Quicksilver

Letter Astrological Musical Note English Equivilant
Un Air E A
Pe Mercury E B
Ged Luna G# G
Gal Venus F# D
Graph Aries C E
Orth Taurus C# F
Ceph Gemini D Z
Na-Hath Cancer D# H
Gon Virgo F I, J, Y
Veh Jupiter A# C, K
Ur Libra F# L
Tal Water G# M
Drun Scorpio G N
Pal Sagittarius G# X
Med Capricorn A O
Mals Mars C P
Ger Aquarius A# Q
Don Pisces B R
Fam Sol D S
Gisa Fire C T
Vau Saturn A U, V, W

Reptilian Brain Beta 13-40hz
Limbic System Alpha 8-13hz
Neo-Mammalion Theta 4-8hz
4th Brain (crown chakrish in nature) Delta 0-4hz
5-7th Ketheric Brains Slower than Delta


[link to www.hinduism.co.za] Determination of the pitches for each chakra note

Chakra Location Petals Association Colour Tone
Sahasrara above head 1000 transcendent gold 486
Guru above head 12 transcendent silver
Nirvana crown 100 mind origin white
Indu forehead 16 buddhi
Manas forehead 6 chitta
Ajna brow 2 manas violet 432
Talu/Lalana roof of mouth 12 or 64
Vishuddha throat 16 space blue 405
Anahata heart 12 air green 370
Hrit below heart 8
Manipura sternum base 10 fire yellow 324
Svadhistana below navel 6 water orange 288
Muladhara base of spine 4 earth red 270
Anonymous Coward
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Re: Reasons to change the standard of tuning from 440 to 432
350263 - yes this is a conspiracy site - so, what do you think of the fact that the musical scale has been tampered with, ie: A = 440 in order to keep us from creating music in keeping with healing frequencies and creating higher vibrations?

I think you have missed the point...

The conspiracy embraces all aspects of what we have been taught, and music is no exception
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Re: Reasons to change the standard of tuning from 440 to 432
So where are we meeting for a 432 jam?? Come on, I'm ready, got a Telecaster, Fender Jazz bass, let's go.
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i'm partially deaf and this don't mean squat to me....
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Re: Reasons to change the standard of tuning from 440 to 432
many guitarists tune a half step down, to E flat, Van Halen, SRV, Hendrix ...hmmm
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Why is this done?
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Re: Reasons to change the standard of tuning from 440 to 432
vocalists find it easier to sing some stuff when in 432 as well... my guitarists used to tune down 1/2 step all the time for that reason, although i remember them having to change the way they played a few things as well. good thing im a drummer and do not have to worry about keys,..lol it is fun to watch new players faces when i sit in with them and ask what key its in ,..lol, like it matters. ba dat boom!
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i'm partially deaf and this don't mean squat to me....
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But you can still feel vibrations, yes?
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Re: Reasons to change the standard of tuning from 440 to 432
many guitarists tune a half step down, to E flat, Van Halen, SRV, Hendrix ...hmmm


Why is this done?
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You can get a slightly fatter tone by tuning your guitar down a half step.

A little easier to bend strings too.
My Dog Ate My Signature.
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Re: Reasons to change the standard of tuning from 440 to 432
I was told playing in new orleans is different if you are from elsewhere
you have to tune up, if i recall
it's below sea level
no rock no stone
saturated air
all that contributes
no natural echo either
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Re: Reasons to change the standard of tuning from 440 to 432
RE:tunings;modes;scales here is much Info: [link to smphillips.8m.com]
Pick the appropriate chapter.
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Re: Reasons to change the standard of tuning from 440 to 432
Hendrix started the half-step tune down and he only did it because he enjoyed the darker, more dissonant tone

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