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A woman has caused a large outburst in the courtroom of the James Holme's closing statements. She claims she was the real mother of James Holmes and his current "mother" was a surrogate, used to create a mind-controlled killer by the FBI.

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That's interesting. The top of the hour news brief I heard on the radio said it was a homeless woman who went crazy in the courtroom and the Judge sentenced her to 3 weeks jail time.

All the report said was it was a homeless woman who claimed to know Holmes.

The propaganda has been all over this story since day 1.
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Notice that the man in front by himself, I think he's an attorney, NEVER turned to look while she was yelling!?
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obviously already expecting something like this to occur.

if the woman is telling the truth and there is no reason no to believe what she is saying, then surely the judicial system is proving itself to have failed or inadequate at best at dealing with the complexity of todays situations.

sure the law system might well be able to identify who stole someones cow or vehicle but for them to discover if james holmes is guilty or actually a government psy op is near to impossible as they don't even have the mental capacity or frameworks to even consider such a thing.

an outdated system by a long way.
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For details about the Cave name, that is a fake name, it's not going to have a real history. Like Holmes has no real history. You give too much assumption into adoption, if James Holmes was either elijah/aaron glazner, then also the cave name is fake and the previous name is a missing person. Find the other name on a missing person page, once you have a face.

Maybe a piece of the mystery is when I looked back at the Glazner name, there was a property trust that goes back to a plot of land that Devon Energy pays them for. So, that adds up, minerology or whatever.

There is a Deborah Cave that is currently employed as senior hydrogeologist at TETRA Technologies (a major oil and gas chemical supplier) in Louisville, CO. Unfortunately, the link will not post here.
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Well, this is exactly the credentials in the 'bio' of the Deborah Cave that worked as the Executive Director for the Colorado Coalition of Adoptive families:

"Deborah is a senior-level scientist for an environmental consulting firm. She has a Bachelor of Arts in Geology from the University of California and a Master of Science in Hydrogeology from the University of Nevada." [link to www.cocaf.org]

This would be her business card...supposedly posted/updated on May 27th, 2015
[link to www.joesdata.com]

But, I don't think the info is current:

Her name is Deborah Leigh Cave, born in 1957: [link to familysearch.org (secure)]

Her addresses in Louisville, CO shows a number of times between 1988 and 2007, but these are taken by questionable public record snatching off the internet...so who knows:
[link to familysearch.org (secure)]
[link to familysearch.org (secure)] Louisville is where TETRA is located.

Here she is Deborah Lynn Cave, age 66: [link to www.intelius.com]

Here she is Deborah Leigh Cave, age 57
[link to familysearch.org (secure)]
[link to www.intelius.com]

She's appears to have been married a number of times, and has lived in a number of States.
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This is just sooo very odd. I've spent the day looking into that particular woman, and have found her using a number of (married?) names, living in a number of States, and am currently putting together a timeline for the online info I've been able to find; I have at least two dozen open tabs crunching up my browser window just for her.

Meanwhile, I have no definitive proof that she's the same woman who says she's Holmes' birth mom.

James Holmes was supposedly born December 13, 1987.


I am also having trouble finding the child's birth record, perhaps because she's may be adopted. The only Devon Cave I could find in Colorado is this one, living with a Richard S. Cave...but I have NO WAY of knowing if they are related in any way, so PLEASE don't take this as real info [link to www.intelius.com]
[link to familysearch.org (secure)]

I also cannot find the marriage info for her and 'Alan' or any info on their two adopted children...but I do believe that her most recent job WAS as the Colorado state representative for the North American Council on Adoptable Children.

The only way I can parse this is to continue making a timeline. Drat! It's Friday night and I'm immersed in the lives of people I do not know! Last week it was guy found rotting in his car. I found out that he was the recipient of patent royalties from his dead father, in the amount of $35,000 to $40,000 A WEEK!

One never knows the interesting things one will find with some fruitful digging...

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 Quoting: Esoteric Morgan


Is there a picture of "Alan".
Also, "Her name is Deborah Leigh Cave, born in 1957: [link to familysearch.org (secure)]

From the blog of her friend she supposedly graduated in 75 so that matches up.

Also, separate case I know, but..wasn't he estranged from the family? No way a father would grant that kind of money to a son distributed in that fashion. It certainly be setup as a trust fund at $7500 a month or something.>>> "I found out that he was the recipient of patent royalties from his dead father, in the amount of $35,000 to $40,000 A WEEK!"
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I haven't followed the trial which is odd because I lived and breathed this case when it first came out...

Are there other pictures of James from the trial? Has anyone seen him on camera in the courtroom?

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]
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I don't think they have...at least not up close. Strange now that you mention it. Most trials always show the defendent coming into the courtroom..and usually up close. Now granted I haven't been watching the trial closely but it is always a far away shot of him. Nothing even on MSM news in their highlights of the trial. Thoughts?
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Notice that the man in front by himself, I think he's an attorney, NEVER turned to look while she was yelling!?
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The prosecutor. It's like he glanced her way and then looked straight ahead as though he was wishing she wouldn't have shown up. Like he knew who she was and was a bit aggravated. Then off he went exit stage right.
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I haven't followed the trial which is odd because I lived and breathed this case when it first came out...

Are there other pictures of James from the trial? Has anyone seen him on camera in the courtroom?

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]
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This guy had been into some far out mindtech at a very early age. Talks about reality, what it real, altering the perception of time, etc.
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He was a bright student, a genius most likely, who really enjoyed what he was doing. He seemed very happy.

Yet the court says he has had disgust for people for a long time and talked about killing people.
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Notice that the man in front by himself, I think he's an attorney, NEVER turned to look while she was yelling!?
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The prosecutor. It's like he glanced her way and then looked straight ahead as though he was wishing she wouldn't have shown up. Like he knew who she was and was a bit aggravated. Then off he went exit stage right.
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Not sure if it was mentioned here or not, didn't read all of the pages. But when the woman starts in screaming, you see Holmes start a strange "rocking" movement. If you watch his left shoulder you can see it very clearly. He's rocking back and forth. To soothe himself? Very strange.
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So - this guy has the name Holmes - his adoptive mother has or has assumed the name Cave - and the woman claiming also to be his bio-mother also has the name Cave - but maybe Ann Cave

The photo of the woman with the girl is the adoptive mother but the daughter resembles Holmes also.


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A woman has caused a large outburst in the courtroom of the James Holme's closing statements. She claims she was the real mother of James Holmes and his current "mother" was a surrogate, used to create a mind-controlled killer by the FBI.

[link to www.youtube.com]


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That's interesting. The top of the hour news brief I heard on the radio said it was a homeless woman who went crazy in the courtroom and the Judge sentenced her to 3 weeks jail time.

All the report said was it was a homeless woman who claimed to know Holmes.

The propaganda has been all over this story since day 1.
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The program goes that James the blue eyed holmes goes to be the neuroscientist, and then his brother with the brown eyes goes to be the gangster/hitman. It's a mobster formula, like the Clintons, one into politics, the other into drugs and crime. That way the parents controlling things could have both sides of the game when they climb the career ladder.

Also, homeless or not, that family worked in psychiatric circles through ucla too. I was diagnosed by the woman james holmes "acting mom" not the complaining one, when she worked for dr beth milford in palmdale around 2003. She is a con artist, "arlene" and she will psych-out your reputation into disability with her double-talk and scam reports. I was diagnosed by her and her brown-eyed holmes son was on the couch in the house where she practiced when I was there! The blue eyed one was my brother's friend. They like to make people look crazy, they are social engineers.
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So - this guy has the name Holmes - his adoptive mother has or has assumed the name Cave - and the woman claiming also to be his bio-mother also has the name Cave - but maybe Ann Cave

The photo of the woman with the girl is the adoptive mother but the daughter resembles Holmes also.


DNA tests?
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I often wonder if we can trust DNA tests under circumstances like these.
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So - this guy has the name Holmes - his adoptive mother has or has assumed the name Cave - and the woman claiming also to be his bio-mother also has the name Cave - but maybe Ann Cave

The photo of the woman with the girl is the adoptive mother but the daughter resembles Holmes also.


DNA tests?
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ASAP
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I haven't followed the trial which is odd because I lived and breathed this case when it first came out...

Are there other pictures of James from the trial? Has anyone seen him on camera in the courtroom?

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]
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I remember when V. got the ax for going too deep down the Michael Cravey "Rabbit hole" a year ago. Cravey had the goods on this OP, he was so close that he got set up for the fall. And the 2 skanks who kicked him off the James Holmes truth facebook group were in on ruining him I guarantee it. Cravey/Brinkley was James Holmes last hope I betcha.
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That was such an unbelievable twist to this whole case. :(

This Yt channel has quite a few videos on Michael.

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bump for Holmes Boy 5a
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Notice that the man in front by himself, I think he's an attorney, NEVER turned to look while she was yelling!?
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The prosecutor. It's like he glanced her way and then looked straight ahead as though he was wishing she wouldn't have shown up. Like he knew who she was and was a bit aggravated. Then off he went exit stage right.
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stage left, house right.
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Lets face it, the simple resolution to this "outburst" is to do a DNA test and find out if the "homeless woman" is crazy or not. Yeah?
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A woman has caused a large outburst in the courtroom of the James Holme's closing statements. She claims she was the real mother of James Holmes and his current "mother" was a surrogate, used to create a mind-controlled killer by the FBI.

[link to www.youtube.com]


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69922170


The program goes that James the blue eyed holmes goes to be the neuroscientist, and then his brother with the brown eyes goes to be the gangster/hitman. It's a mobster formula, like the Clintons, one into politics, the other into drugs and crime. That way the parents controlling things could have both sides of the game when they climb the career ladder.

Also, homeless or not, that family worked in psychiatric circles through ucla too. I was diagnosed by the woman james holmes "acting mom" not the complaining one, when she worked for dr beth milford in palmdale around 2003. She is a con artist, "arlene" and she will psych-out your reputation into disability with her double-talk and scam reports. I was diagnosed by her and her brown-eyed holmes son was on the couch in the house where she practiced when I was there! The blue eyed one was my brother's friend. They like to make people look crazy, they are social engineers.
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When I went to her "brain doctor" house around a country club in Palmdale california in 2003, job burnout, in her home were shelves full of boxes of photos. There were faces of (now realizing missing kids) other kids on the fridge, about 4 of them. She goes, if you don't keep your job after this you can sue me.

Yeah and I backtrack this details of my life around this it goes more than just once of seeing that family. James holmes on trial was even at my house, friend of my brother, in the late 90s. Then of course, backtrack more, 2nd grade, near Glendale California, GATE class, this woman was rolling in the TV cart with the USA-patriotic video to the class. She was in psychological warfare, poaching kids for a brain trust, yeah maybe government contracts but carrying her around on a litter for a government grant was not what I had in mind. Regarding that LA connection, hey Obama was in LA at the time at occidental college too. Obama with the fake name.

Hey look, doctors die, sheriff arpaio researcher of the fake name loses his computers..... there is a streak of shootings...oh it gets better. Oh yeah and I've been followed by one gov't or another for the past several years in a big wall of near-miss hurts on me. USA is toxic from that family the Holmes.
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Lets face it, the simple resolution to this "outburst" is to do a DNA test and find out if the "homeless woman" is crazy or not. Yeah?
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At this rate of investigation the fbi would be doing that forensic test. And at the rate it is going, would swipe things out for their own exceptions.

It would have to be live and uncut. Remember Holmes has 2 unaccounted for brothers, Bud and his near double. His double is the gun nut.

I dare say they were the ones that introduced my brother into weapons when he was younger. Not many siblings can say that they have a brother that keeps plastic explosives in their bedroom without getting searched. Now it makes sense he was not getting searched. Holmes knew the fbi.
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Interesting and timely series of events:


I feel this story allows me to reasonably raise and ask some questions I have pondered for many years:


Ethically speaking - who is responsible for crime/s carried out by MK Ultra or chipped-up people - the immediate perp (MK Ultra victim - in this case Holmes) - or the handler - and the handler - what consequences do they face in such circumstances and how is this managed?


I raised a lot of these issues in my first novel.


Different people are susceptable to mind alteration in different ways and via differing mechanisms - some more easily than others; some may be swayed by persuasive argument - others by.... exposure to pain - or threat - or extreme circumstance - so in the place where the consequences are decided - how extensively are these things known and/ or considered.

It seems to me sometimes that there is a judicial sentencing programme for handlers who do wrong via their... ... subjects... but it also seems that the sentence can be... translated... transferred... to the subject they handle - what i mean is - if the handler receives a death sentence - they can kill their subject - thereby transmuting their sentence that way.

In this example it is clear to me that in the 2006 video Holmes was already being manipulated by the handler - he is in neuroscience - he plays football and wants to own a slushie machine - Wonderland coding; he says about the video game - being his mentor's idea... the video game is also code-worded - for games played in Wonderland - the neuroscience is the connection to the control - so this whole story is layered in messages - and now - amid the 777 Freescale - chipping thing etc and now this... it all seems so timely and I wonder if it is all because radical changes are happening in "Wonderland" and more are to come - prepping for large scale chip mind control - in a different format to the current one - which has been used as a large scale testing ground.
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slowed down the audio so I could hear better, my transcript.

im the biological mother, she's the surrogate. they took him away from me and they [adopted] him cus they knew they[he] had had mental illness.

they know

my family's full of FBI, he's done. he's my son, I need him now, don't kill him, don't kill him.

what I recorded cut off before she mentioned being bi-polar.

I think 'they know' refers to the court, they are not ignorant of the fact Holmes was planted and know his true story.
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Nice. I've listened to it and I get something similar.

"And he’s wrong because mental illness is everything. I’m the biological mother, she's the surrogate. They took him away from me and they adopted him because they knew he had mental illness. They know. My family's full of FBI. He's done. He's my son, I need him now. Don't kill him, don't kill him! It’s not his fault!"
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slowed down the audio so I could hear better, my transcript.

im the biological mother, she's the surrogate. they took him away from me and they [adopted] him cus they knew they[he] had had mental illness.

they know

my family's full of FBI, he's done. he's my son, I need him now, don't kill him, don't kill him.

what I recorded cut off before she mentioned being bi-polar.

I think 'they know' refers to the court, they are not ignorant of the fact Holmes was planted and know his true story.
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Nice. I've listened to it and I get something similar.

"And he’s wrong because mental illness is everything. I’m the biological mother, she's the surrogate. They took him away from me and they adopted him because they knew he had mental illness. They know. My family's full of FBI. He's done. He's my son, I need him now. Don't kill him, don't kill him! It’s not his fault!"
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For her to have filed the legal thing that she did - and then to turn up like this - implies to me that her handler is working to ... is... this is being deliberately, purposefully and... exposed at this specific time for specific purpose.


I hope it all comes crashing down around them - there gonna be banks going down and all sorts - its all coming undone - God be with that woman now.


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Lets face it, the simple resolution to this "outburst" is to do a DNA test and find out if the "homeless woman" is crazy or not. Yeah?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69899388


At this rate of investigation the fbi would be doing that forensic test. And at the rate it is going, would swipe things out for their own exceptions.

It would have to be live and uncut. Remember Holmes has 2 unaccounted for brothers, Bud and his near double. His double is the gun nut.

I dare say they were the ones that introduced my brother into weapons when he was younger. Not many siblings can say that they have a brother that keeps plastic explosives in their bedroom without getting searched. Now it makes sense he was not getting searched. Holmes knew the fbi.
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I don't think people are intentionally ignoring you. It's just difficult to understand what you're saying. I think what you're saying is most useful to this case. If you could try to repeat what you've said, but try hard to compose it so people can understand completely, it would be very appreciated.
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slowed down the audio so I could hear better, my transcript.

im the biological mother, she's the surrogate. they took him away from me and they [adopted] him cus they knew they[he] had had mental illness.

they know

my family's full of FBI, he's done. he's my son, I need him now, don't kill him, don't kill him.

what I recorded cut off before she mentioned being bi-polar.

I think 'they know' refers to the court, they are not ignorant of the fact Holmes was planted and know his true story.
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Nice. I've listened to it and I get something similar.

"And he’s wrong because mental illness is everything. I’m the biological mother, she's the surrogate. They took him away from me and they adopted him because they knew he had mental illness. They know. My family's full of FBI. He's done. He's my son, I need him now. Don't kill him, don't kill him! It’s not his fault!"
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For her to have filed the legal thing that she did - and then to turn up like this - implies to me that her handler is working to ... is... this is being deliberately, purposefully and... exposed at this specific time for specific purpose.


I hope it all comes crashing down around them - there gonna be banks going down and all sorts - its all coming undone - God be with that woman now.


xx
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It is so complex it is hard to explain and i realise my sentence was wrong and did not make sense.



When people have a chip - it is like having a mobile phone receiver inside you - it can be very tiny - and the words seem as though they are your own thoughts - and your thoughts create your actions - some people actually hear the voices or the music - and others recognise thoughts as not being their own.


There are hundreds of thousands of chipped up people - seriously.


Not all are being handled all the time.


The people who do the speaking are the handlers -


the handlers may have many thousands of people "in their bank".


Jobs get put out and if the jobs are fulfilled the handlers get a payment - so they operate the chipped up people who they handle to fulfill the job and get their money - this is why we get coincidences - which cannot be connected - because the handlers are organising what happens - and they get money for it.

Hang on.


This is why banks crash - because they play games as well - as to what they can do with their.. subjects - the ones chipped up - lots of games are played - and also the outcomes are gambled upon - that is what the sub=prime AAA rating stuff is about


we are the slaves and we are given ratings - so we are the property which has the mortgage on it - they can sell idiots who are supposed to be great players as AAA but who are poo and stupid so they lose the money - the real AAA are kept in reserve for the bog boy games.


It is complicated - we are the commodities - the stocks the shares - we...
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slowed down the audio so I could hear better, my transcript.

im the biological mother, she's the surrogate. they took him away from me and they [adopted] him cus they knew they[he] had had mental illness.

they know

my family's full of FBI, he's done. he's my son, I need him now, don't kill him, don't kill him.

what I recorded cut off before she mentioned being bi-polar.

I think 'they know' refers to the court, they are not ignorant of the fact Holmes was planted and know his true story.
 Quoting: AyanamiRei


Nice. I've listened to it and I get something similar.

"And he’s wrong because mental illness is everything. I’m the biological mother, she's the surrogate. They took him away from me and they adopted him because they knew he had mental illness. They know. My family's full of FBI. He's done. He's my son, I need him now. Don't kill him, don't kill him! It’s not his fault!"
 Quoting: Sobriquet™




For her to have filed the legal thing that she did - and then to turn up like this - implies to me that her handler is working to ... is... this is being deliberately, purposefully and... exposed at this specific time for specific purpose.


I hope it all comes crashing down around them - there gonna be banks going down and all sorts - its all coming undone - God be with that woman now.


xx
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It is so complex it is hard to explain and i realise my sentence was wrong and did not make sense.



When people have a chip - it is like having a mobile phone receiver inside you - it can be very tiny - and the words seem as though they are your own thoughts - and your thoughts create your actions - some people actually hear the voices or the music - and others recognise thoughts as not being their own.


There are hundreds of thousands of chipped up people - seriously.


Not all are being handled all the time.


The people who do the speaking are the handlers -


the handlers may have many thousands of people "in their bank".


Jobs get put out and if the jobs are fulfilled the handlers get a payment - so they operate the chipped up people who they handle to fulfill the job and get their money - this is why we get coincidences - which cannot be connected - because the handlers are organising what happens - and they get money for it.

Hang on.


This is why banks crash - because they play games as well - as to what they can do with their.. subjects - the ones chipped up - lots of games are played - and also the outcomes are gambled upon - that is what the sub=prime AAA rating stuff is about


we are the slaves and we are given ratings - so we are the property which has the mortgage on it - they can sell idiots who are supposed to be great players as AAA but who are poo and stupid so they lose the money - the real AAA are kept in reserve for the bog boy games.


It is complicated - we are the commodities - the stocks the shares - we...
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WE are the characters in the video game - at least - that is the metaphor - we are sent to war against each other in ethical matters - ..... moral matters... we get bet on.
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Notice that the man in front by himself, I think he's an attorney, NEVER turned to look while she was yelling!?
 Quoting: Lorac_az


The prosecutor. It's like he glanced her way and then looked straight ahead as though he was wishing she wouldn't have shown up. Like he knew who she was and was a bit aggravated. Then off he went exit stage right.
 Quoting: Sobriquet™


Not sure if it was mentioned here or not, didn't read all of the pages. But when the woman starts in screaming, you see Holmes start a strange "rocking" movement. If you watch his left shoulder you can see it very clearly. He's rocking back and forth. To soothe himself? Very strange.
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Nice. I've listened to it and I get something similar.

"And he’s wrong because mental illness is everything. I’m the biological mother, she's the surrogate. They took him away from me and they adopted him because they knew he had mental illness. They know. My family's full of FBI. He's done. He's my son, I need him now. Don't kill him, don't kill him! It’s not his fault!"
 Quoting: Sobriquet™




For her to have filed the legal thing that she did - and then to turn up like this - implies to me that her handler is working to ... is... this is being deliberately, purposefully and... exposed at this specific time for specific purpose.


I hope it all comes crashing down around them - there gonna be banks going down and all sorts - its all coming undone - God be with that woman now.


xx
 Quoting: redhouserebel




It is so complex it is hard to explain and i realise my sentence was wrong and did not make sense.



When people have a chip - it is like having a mobile phone receiver inside you - it can be very tiny - and the words seem as though they are your own thoughts - and your thoughts create your actions - some people actually hear the voices or the music - and others recognise thoughts as not being their own.


There are hundreds of thousands of chipped up people - seriously.


Not all are being handled all the time.


The people who do the speaking are the handlers -


the handlers may have many thousands of people "in their bank".


Jobs get put out and if the jobs are fulfilled the handlers get a payment - so they operate the chipped up people who they handle to fulfill the job and get their money - this is why we get coincidences - which cannot be connected - because the handlers are organising what happens - and they get money for it.

Hang on.


This is why banks crash - because they play games as well - as to what they can do with their.. subjects - the ones chipped up - lots of games are played - and also the outcomes are gambled upon - that is what the sub=prime AAA rating stuff is about


we are the slaves and we are given ratings - so we are the property which has the mortgage on it - they can sell idiots who are supposed to be great players as AAA but who are poo and stupid so they lose the money - the real AAA are kept in reserve for the bog boy games.


It is complicated - we are the commodities - the stocks the shares - we...
 Quoting: redhouserebel




WE are the characters in the video game - at least - that is the metaphor - we are sent to war against each other in ethical matters - ..... moral matters... we get bet on.
 Quoting: redhouserebel




It goes deeper and deeper - the testing - it is not just the conscious mind - there is also the subconscious mind which has a different awareness to the conscious mind.... then there is the physical - the torture - the torture of loved ones - the threat against them - so when this lady said - it is not his fault - it means her handler knows the circumstances under which he acted - he may have believed - in his subconscious mind that his act was the lesser of two evils where the consequence of his inaction would have been something far worse.
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Notice that the man in front by himself, I think he's an attorney, NEVER turned to look while she was yelling!?
 Quoting: Lorac_az


The prosecutor. It's like he glanced her way and then looked straight ahead as though he was wishing she wouldn't have shown up. Like he knew who she was and was a bit aggravated. Then off he went exit stage right.
 Quoting: Sobriquet™


Not sure if it was mentioned here or not, didn't read all of the pages. But when the woman starts in screaming, you see Holmes start a strange "rocking" movement. If you watch his left shoulder you can see it very clearly. He's rocking back and forth. To soothe himself? Very strange.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69100987


thisfinger
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Yes = like this.


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slowed down the audio so I could hear better, my transcript.

im the biological mother, she's the surrogate. they took him away from me and they [adopted] him cus they knew they[he] had had mental illness.

they know

my family's full of FBI, he's done. he's my son, I need him now, don't kill him, don't kill him.

what I recorded cut off before she mentioned being bi-polar.

I think 'they know' refers to the court, they are not ignorant of the fact Holmes was planted and know his true story.
 Quoting: AyanamiRei


Nice. I've listened to it and I get something similar.

"And he’s wrong because mental illness is everything. I’m the biological mother, she's the surrogate. They took him away from me and they adopted him because they knew he had mental illness. They know. My family's full of FBI. He's done. He's my son, I need him now. Don't kill him, don't kill him! It’s not his fault!"
 Quoting: Sobriquet™




For her to have filed the legal thing that she did - and then to turn up like this - implies to me that her handler is working to ... is... this is being deliberately, purposefully and... exposed at this specific time for specific purpose.


I hope it all comes crashing down around them - there gonna be banks going down and all sorts - its all coming undone - God be with that woman now.


xx
 Quoting: redhouserebel




It is so complex it is hard to explain and i realise my sentence was wrong and did not make sense.



When people have a chip - it is like having a mobile phone receiver inside you - it can be very tiny - and the words seem as though they are your own thoughts - and your thoughts create your actions - some people actually hear the voices or the music - and others recognise thoughts as not being their own.


There are hundreds of thousands of chipped up people - seriously.


Not all are being handled all the time.


The people who do the speaking are the handlers -


the handlers may have many thousands of people "in their bank".


Jobs get put out and if the jobs are fulfilled the handlers get a payment - so they operate the chipped up people who they handle to fulfill the job and get their money - this is why we get coincidences - which cannot be connected - because the handlers are organising what happens - and they get money for it.

Hang on.


This is why banks crash - because they play games as well - as to what they can do with their.. subjects - the ones chipped up - lots of games are played - and also the outcomes are gambled upon - that is what the sub=prime AAA rating stuff is about


we are the slaves and we are given ratings - so we are the property which has the mortgage on it - they can sell idiots who are supposed to be great players as AAA but who are poo and stupid so they lose the money - the real AAA are kept in reserve for the bog boy games.


It is complicated - we are the commodities - the stocks the shares - we...
 Quoting: redhouserebel


You did a pretty good job with it that time. Thanks.

I've heard this before. To dismiss it would be stupid.
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Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door. - Mark 13:29
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A woman has caused a large outburst in the courtroom of the James Holme's closing statements. She claims she was the real mother of James Holmes and his current "mother" was a surrogate, used to create a mind-controlled killer by the FBI.

[link to www.youtube.com]


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69922170


The program goes that James the blue eyed holmes goes to be the neuroscientist, and then his brother with the brown eyes goes to be the gangster/hitman. It's a mobster formula, like the Clintons, one into politics, the other into drugs and crime. That way the parents controlling things could have both sides of the game when they climb the career ladder.

Also, homeless or not, that family worked in psychiatric circles through ucla too. I was diagnosed by the woman james holmes "acting mom" not the complaining one, when she worked for dr beth milford in palmdale around 2003. She is a con artist, "arlene" and she will psych-out your reputation into disability with her double-talk and scam reports. I was diagnosed by her and her brown-eyed holmes son was on the couch in the house where she practiced when I was there! The blue eyed one was my brother's friend. They like to make people look crazy, they are social engineers.
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When I went to her "brain doctor" house around a country club in Palmdale california in 2003, job burnout, in her home were shelves full of boxes of photos. There were faces of (now realizing missing kids) other kids on the fridge, about 4 of them. She goes, if you don't keep your job after this you can sue me.

Yeah and I backtrack this details of my life around this it goes more than just once of seeing that family. James holmes on trial was even at my house, friend of my brother, in the late 90s. Then of course, backtrack more, 2nd grade, near Glendale California, GATE class, this woman was rolling in the TV cart with the USA-patriotic video to the class. She was in psychological warfare, poaching kids for a brain trust, yeah maybe government contracts but carrying her around on a litter for a government grant was not what I had in mind. Regarding that LA connection, hey Obama was in LA at the time at occidental college too. Obama with the fake name.

Hey look, doctors die, sheriff arpaio researcher of the fake name loses his computers..... there is a streak of shootings...oh it gets better. Oh yeah and I've been followed by one gov't or another for the past several years in a big wall of near-miss hurts on me. USA is toxic from that family the Holmes.
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Wow. Now that's something right there. Do you think Arlene is the handler?
Government...
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The terrorists attacks which will be launched in the United States will be blamed upon middle eastern religious fanatics, Christian fundamentalists, white supremacists, Patriots, or Militias. A more immediate result of these operations will be the increased use of military forces, weaponry, and equipment such as tanks and armored personnel carriers in civilian law enforcement, the suspension or elimination of Habeas Corpus, the elimination of jury trials, the attempted disarming of the American People, and the institution of martial law with show-trials conducted by a tribunal of judges. - William Cooper 1997 (RIP)

"If it's TRUE, it cannot be a THEORY!"
-- Kentroversy (02/23/07)

The light is always stronger than the darkness.

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. - John 3:19

Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door. - Mark 13:29
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Nice. I've listened to it and I get something similar.

"And he’s wrong because mental illness is everything. I’m the biological mother, she's the surrogate. They took him away from me and they adopted him because they knew he had mental illness. They know. My family's full of FBI. He's done. He's my son, I need him now. Don't kill him, don't kill him! It’s not his fault!"
 Quoting: Sobriquet™




For her to have filed the legal thing that she did - and then to turn up like this - implies to me that her handler is working to ... is... this is being deliberately, purposefully and... exposed at this specific time for specific purpose.


I hope it all comes crashing down around them - there gonna be banks going down and all sorts - its all coming undone - God be with that woman now.


xx
 Quoting: redhouserebel




It is so complex it is hard to explain and i realise my sentence was wrong and did not make sense.



When people have a chip - it is like having a mobile phone receiver inside you - it can be very tiny - and the words seem as though they are your own thoughts - and your thoughts create your actions - some people actually hear the voices or the music - and others recognise thoughts as not being their own.


There are hundreds of thousands of chipped up people - seriously.


Not all are being handled all the time.


The people who do the speaking are the handlers -


the handlers may have many thousands of people "in their bank".


Jobs get put out and if the jobs are fulfilled the handlers get a payment - so they operate the chipped up people who they handle to fulfill the job and get their money - this is why we get coincidences - which cannot be connected - because the handlers are organising what happens - and they get money for it.

Hang on.


This is why banks crash - because they play games as well - as to what they can do with their.. subjects - the ones chipped up - lots of games are played - and also the outcomes are gambled upon - that is what the sub=prime AAA rating stuff is about


we are the slaves and we are given ratings - so we are the property which has the mortgage on it - they can sell idiots who are supposed to be great players as AAA but who are poo and stupid so they lose the money - the real AAA are kept in reserve for the bog boy games.


It is complicated - we are the commodities - the stocks the shares - we...
 Quoting: redhouserebel


You did a pretty good job with it that time. Thanks.

I've heard this before. To dismiss it would be stupid.
 Quoting: Sobriquet™



Because the subconscious mind can be aware of things the conscious mind is not aware of - it means that person may behave erratic or mean or criminal or do things they do not even understand themselves - on a level not par to this incident of the shooting - the person will often try to rationalise their behaviour - or simply not understand it at all and become confused etc


world leaders even are chipped commodities - for example Cameron's handler could be Chinese or middle eastern - and Obama's handler could be at one university and his opponents at another - and they run their agendas using their "puppets"; that is why - do not be racist and be careful in judgement - Bibi - Netanyahu - you don't know who operates him - that is why people say: illuminatus etc

It is all a big show and you never see the real players - that is why you have to look beyond what you see - to see the true agendas.


There is judgement in Wonderland and the big one is coming - the armageddon.


That is what is going on.


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For her to have filed the legal thing that she did - and then to turn up like this - implies to me that her handler is working to ... is... this is being deliberately, purposefully and... exposed at this specific time for specific purpose.


I hope it all comes crashing down around them - there gonna be banks going down and all sorts - its all coming undone - God be with that woman now.


xx
 Quoting: redhouserebel




It is so complex it is hard to explain and i realise my sentence was wrong and did not make sense.



When people have a chip - it is like having a mobile phone receiver inside you - it can be very tiny - and the words seem as though they are your own thoughts - and your thoughts create your actions - some people actually hear the voices or the music - and others recognise thoughts as not being their own.


There are hundreds of thousands of chipped up people - seriously.


Not all are being handled all the time.


The people who do the speaking are the handlers -


the handlers may have many thousands of people "in their bank".


Jobs get put out and if the jobs are fulfilled the handlers get a payment - so they operate the chipped up people who they handle to fulfill the job and get their money - this is why we get coincidences - which cannot be connected - because the handlers are organising what happens - and they get money for it.

Hang on.


This is why banks crash - because they play games as well - as to what they can do with their.. subjects - the ones chipped up - lots of games are played - and also the outcomes are gambled upon - that is what the sub=prime AAA rating stuff is about


we are the slaves and we are given ratings - so we are the property which has the mortgage on it - they can sell idiots who are supposed to be great players as AAA but who are poo and stupid so they lose the money - the real AAA are kept in reserve for the bog boy games.


It is complicated - we are the commodities - the stocks the shares - we...
 Quoting: redhouserebel


You did a pretty good job with it that time. Thanks.

I've heard this before. To dismiss it would be stupid.
 Quoting: Sobriquet™



Because the subconscious mind can be aware of things the conscious mind is not aware of - it means that person may behave erratic or mean or criminal or do things they do not even understand themselves - on a level not par to this incident of the shooting - the person will often try to rationalise their behaviour - or simply not understand it at all and become confused etc


world leaders even are chipped commodities - for example Cameron's handler could be Chinese or middle eastern - and Obama's handler could be at one university and his opponents at another - and they run their agendas using their "puppets"; that is why - do not be racist and be careful in judgement - Bibi - Netanyahu - you don't know who operates him - that is why people say: illuminatus etc

It is all a big show and you never see the real players - that is why you have to look beyond what you see - to see the true agendas.


There is judgement in Wonderland and the big one is coming - the armageddon.


That is what is going on.


xx
 Quoting: redhouserebel




That is how they made George Bush say all the stupid funny things he said - they give the words - they muddle them up - to them it is all fun and games - and they see everything different to people who do not know.


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