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* The Insider *...was he a Gnostic?

 
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The Ten Major Principles of the Gnostic Revelation
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The Gnostic Christians of the second century believed that only a special revelation of knowledge rather than faith could save a person. The contents of this revelation could not be received empirically or derived a priori. They considered this special gnosis so valuable that it must be kept secret. Here are the ten major principles of the gnostic revelation:

The creator of this world is demented.

The world is not as it appears, in order to hide the evil in it, a delusive veil obscuring it and the deranged deity.

There is another, better realm of God, and all our efforts are to be directed toward

a: returning there
b: bringing it here

Our actual lives stretch thousands of years back, and we can be made to remember our origin in the stars.

Each of us has a divine counterpart unfallen who can reach a hand down to us to awaken us. This other personality is the authentic waking self; the one we have now is asleep and minor. We are in fact asleep, and in the hands of a dangerous magician disguised as a good god, the deranged creator deity. The bleakness, the evil and pain in this world, the fact that it is a deterministic prison controlled by the demented creator causes us willingly to split with the reality principle early in life, and so to speak willingly fall asleep in delusion.

You can pass from the delusional prison world into the peaceful kingdom if the True Good God places you under His grace and allows you to see reality through His eyes.

Christ gave, rather than received, revelation; he taught his followers how to enter the kingdom while still alive, where other mystery religions only bring about amnesis: knowledge of it at the "other time" in "the other realm," not here. He causes it to come here, and is the living agency to the Sole Good God (i.e. the Logos).

Probably the real, secret Christian church still exists, long underground, with the living Corpus Christi as its head or ruler, the members absorbed into it. Through participation in it they probably have vast, seemingly magical powers.

The division into "two times" (good and evil) and "two realms" (good and evil) will abruptly end with victory for the good time here, as the presently invisible kingdom separates and becomes visible. We cannot know the date.

During this time period we are on the sifting bridge being judged according to which power we give allegiance to, the deranged creator demiurge of this world or the One Good God and his kingdom, whom we know through Christ.

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Insider said something like Christ was not who we thought he was...the real Christ was someone/thing else.

But the point is, if this is a prison or worse, don't you think we need to focus on how to get out!?????

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bump my own thread due to lack of interest!?
"Aether is a Quantum 2 Spin Rotating Magnetic Field that encapsulates Primary Angular Momentum and via Tensegrity forms Matter with resulting Quantum 1/2 spin.

PHI is the direct result and first Ratio produced by this arrangement as it Cycles." Junglelord, www.thunderbolts.info

"It's never too late to have a happy childhood" - Ahim-sa

"Thought being a given is the first assertion of self-awareness; the remaining truth is simply "I am, therefore there is". Self and other, subject and object." Eyeam

"Remember me as I AM." My Brother
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But the point is, if this is a prison or worse,



Yes it is



don't you think we need to focus on how to get out!?????


Knowledge is the only way out
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I enjoyed reading that.

What if it was.

"the god is a state of being one step above our current comprehension of dimensional conscious reality"
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The Ten Major Principles of the Gnostic Revelation (...)
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What you present as the above can only be applied to *some* so-called gnostic groups and not to all gnostics and even less to Gnosis itself. Gnosis means *knowledge* and spiritual knowledge is not subjected to the "principles" you enumerate, which are external and more like an ideology.

It has been appropriately said that the contemplation state can be described as *extasis* in the case of Mystics and *enstasis* in the case of Gnostics. Can you grasp the difference?

Gnosis *includes* *and* transcends Mystics.
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No need to threaten us with hell any more. What would we do - just come back here for more of the same old shit?
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The cap stone of all knowledge is LOVE and that the truth
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The Ten Major Principles of the Gnostic Revelation
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The Gnostic Christians of the second century believed that only a special revelation of knowledge rather than faith could save a person.


** true to a certain extent...as long as the person exercises that knowledge.


The contents of this revelation could not be received empirically or derived a priori.

** Someone could recognise it.

They considered this special gnosis so valuable that it must be kept secret.

** Not for the best of intentions by the way. But if people were interested in the first place then it wouldn't be a secret. Humanity loves figuring out mysteries though, so that is what we get.

Here are the ten major principles of the gnostic revelation:

The creator of this world is demented.

** Humans are to a certain extent yes, are demented. The Creator or what substains this universe is far from demented.... It only seeks to please..i.e reflect and bring into existence your desires. The same goes for your subconscious part of your mind. Becareful what you think of often.

The world is not as it appears, in order to hide the evil in it, a delusive veil obscuring it and the deranged deity.

** The veil in truth hides the clue to our true selves. The real veil is human thought patterns...in a nutshell they think to much about things not in front of them. Thinking about deranged deities doesn't help matters. To view the world as it is isn't the most pleasing experience. Things will still annoy you at first.

There is another, better realm of God, and all our efforts are to be directed toward

** Yup, just leave out the god part.

a: returning there
b: bringing it here

** Close not but quite the bulleye. See it here, then understanding what it is better. And then leaving here is the goal.

Our actual lives stretch thousands of years back, and we can be made to remember our origin in the stars.

** Yup....not quite the stars though. What you know now is all you need to remember. Past lives are past lives.

Each of us has a divine counterpart unfallen who can reach a hand down to us to awaken us.

** Nope, you're all here currently. Your counterpart is what is asleep inside of you..


his other personality is the authentic waking self; the one we have now is asleep and minor.

** Yup, that counterpart needs tobe woken up. Desire is the first step. Ignore the the gender.

We are in fact asleep, and in the hands of a dangerous magician disguised as a good god, the deranged creator deity.

** Yes and no. But yes if you think the magician is the human mind and body though and all the things which influence them. The human mind created god.


The bleakness, the evil and pain in this world, the fact that it is a deterministic prison controlled by the demented creator causes us willingly to split with the reality principle early in life, and so to speak willingly fall asleep in delusion.

** People do that to themselves.

You can pass from the delusional prison world into the peaceful kingdom if the True Good God places you under His grace and allows you to see reality through His eyes.

** Recognise the reality instead. Your eyes are not my eyes. However your eye will view the same pattern of reality if true. Some people have to go through war to bring peace.

Christ gave, rather than received, revelation; he taught his followers how to enter the kingdom while still alive, where other mystery religions only bring about amnesis: knowledge of it at the "other time" in "the other realm," not here. He causes it to come here, and is the living agency to the Sole Good God (i.e. the Logos).


** It has always been here, so much so that you're teaching it now in everything you do and say, and you don't even know. ALL are, but only to those who know what to look for.

Probably the real, secret Christian church still exists, long underground, with the living Corpus Christi as its head or ruler, the members absorbed into it.

** Absorbed is a key word. Watch Return of the Archons, that original Star Trek episode, to get a better idea.

Through participation in it they probably have vast, seemingly magical powers.

** Not quite....

The division into "two times" (good and evil) and "two realms" (good and evil)

** No good and evil. All is part of the same song, pattern and play, though influence over it is freely available to all. Focus too much on the good things will keep you here, the same goes for the bad.




will abruptly end with victory for the good time here, as the presently invisible kingdom separates and becomes visible. We cannot know the date.

** Because there is no date. A mass event would be a pain to be frank. It' always visable. Wanting to stay here is what make it invisable. The only victory so to speak is the individual one.

During this time period we are on the sifting bridge being judged according to which power we give allegiance to,


** You judge yourself. Even the Christ you talk about told you that, more than once. There is only one power, and like magnets they have opposites.

the deranged creator demiurge of this world or the One Good God and his kingdom, whom we know through Christ.

** Humans are the deranged creators. We wanted to be here afterall.

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Insider said something like Christ was not who we thought he was...the real Christ was someone/thing else.


** Perhaps, perhaps not. Insider was an interesting fellow. Shame I wasn't around really at the time. Personally only two things I didn't agree with him about. Though few people asked the right questions from what I saw of it.

But the point is, if this is a prison or worse, don't you think we need to focus on how to get out!?????

** Didn't he tell you something about focusing on what is "in front of you?" What he didn't tell you is what to focus with directly.

Currently you are not.

Clue, do it with your inner attention and not your eyes and mind, which controls them. You have to wake up first then the real work on yourself begins.
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whomever wrote the original thread, must know gnosis, which is by definition, truth.

It is hard to see what this thread is saying, and the one who expounded on it, was actually very correct.

Someone said to me today: "I'm blessed today because I woke up alive". I said, "hmph....why would you be glad to wake up in hell everyday?"

The real hell is the existance on planet earth. Many people have said it, I'm not going to hell, because this is hell.....LOL How true!

Of course, there are lower astral realms, which are hell in a handbasket, but these are afterlife realms and no one stays alive long in them. One good example of this is: Silent Hill and Left in Darkness. Two great examples of lower astral realms after death. sun
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as long as you value outcomes you will be in hell

stop your valuing of outcomes and you will be in heaven

this is the key that is being overlooked by nearly all

this is what my Son asks you to consider and apply
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Me414: YOU are the decieved one!!!
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*repost*

As far as I know the complete Q&A with the insider

Download pdf with bittorrent:
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Passerby ID 144894.I 100% agree.
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Passerby ID 144894.I 100% agree.
 Quoting: Femto


You can not 100% agree. You are unique in your own perspective
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200476 - I thought you were a spammer, apologies!!! So what's new about the Insider?
"Aether is a Quantum 2 Spin Rotating Magnetic Field that encapsulates Primary Angular Momentum and via Tensegrity forms Matter with resulting Quantum 1/2 spin.

PHI is the direct result and first Ratio produced by this arrangement as it Cycles." Junglelord, www.thunderbolts.info

"It's never too late to have a happy childhood" - Ahim-sa

"Thought being a given is the first assertion of self-awareness; the remaining truth is simply "I am, therefore there is". Self and other, subject and object." Eyeam

"Remember me as I AM." My Brother
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"The only constant thing is change"

What has changed in your perception since you last read this?
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Much! Is that why you bumped the thread? This was six months ago, and I posted it after reading P.K. Dick's Valis. Why do you ask?
"Aether is a Quantum 2 Spin Rotating Magnetic Field that encapsulates Primary Angular Momentum and via Tensegrity forms Matter with resulting Quantum 1/2 spin.

PHI is the direct result and first Ratio produced by this arrangement as it Cycles." Junglelord, www.thunderbolts.info

"It's never too late to have a happy childhood" - Ahim-sa

"Thought being a given is the first assertion of self-awareness; the remaining truth is simply "I am, therefore there is". Self and other, subject and object." Eyeam

"Remember me as I AM." My Brother
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I'm just interested if people's perception has changed towards insider's quote's...

I've been posting this because I can't really, honestly debunk what he's saying
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Why don't you start a new thread and we could discuss it? I found him quite fascinating, but have all his posts on another p.c. Perhaps you would like to raise a few of his points, for discussion? He was v. popular here. hf
"Aether is a Quantum 2 Spin Rotating Magnetic Field that encapsulates Primary Angular Momentum and via Tensegrity forms Matter with resulting Quantum 1/2 spin.

PHI is the direct result and first Ratio produced by this arrangement as it Cycles." Junglelord, www.thunderbolts.info

"It's never too late to have a happy childhood" - Ahim-sa

"Thought being a given is the first assertion of self-awareness; the remaining truth is simply "I am, therefore there is". Self and other, subject and object." Eyeam

"Remember me as I AM." My Brother
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I am not really the person that's talks much

This is an exception.. (I can be a Anonymous Coward WOOHOO)
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Are you The Insider then?
"Aether is a Quantum 2 Spin Rotating Magnetic Field that encapsulates Primary Angular Momentum and via Tensegrity forms Matter with resulting Quantum 1/2 spin.

PHI is the direct result and first Ratio produced by this arrangement as it Cycles." Junglelord, www.thunderbolts.info

"It's never too late to have a happy childhood" - Ahim-sa

"Thought being a given is the first assertion of self-awareness; the remaining truth is simply "I am, therefore there is". Self and other, subject and object." Eyeam

"Remember me as I AM." My Brother
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Passerby ID 144894.I 100% agree.


You can not 100% agree. You are unique in your own perspective
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Two can be one and you saw the exact moment that it occured. One moment is enough.
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No I'm not Insider
I can learn a lot from that person

Though there is somebody that can be Insider:
[link to conspiracycentral.info]
The old ConCen forum is a lot of the time down :(
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Divinity, That was Gridkeeper. Femto.
Love x
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What ??

I was talking about chessmuscle
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Oops wasn't paying attention
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Femto...thanks a million! I'm definitely on some kind of weird connexion with the Grid because I was trying to find him earlier on, to ask him about the 23 Feb energy!!! Femto, Grid, u still around?
"Aether is a Quantum 2 Spin Rotating Magnetic Field that encapsulates Primary Angular Momentum and via Tensegrity forms Matter with resulting Quantum 1/2 spin.

PHI is the direct result and first Ratio produced by this arrangement as it Cycles." Junglelord, www.thunderbolts.info

"It's never too late to have a happy childhood" - Ahim-sa

"Thought being a given is the first assertion of self-awareness; the remaining truth is simply "I am, therefore there is". Self and other, subject and object." Eyeam

"Remember me as I AM." My Brother
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If u are, meet me on the L/worker thread? Only Woo Woo's visit there............... hiding
"Aether is a Quantum 2 Spin Rotating Magnetic Field that encapsulates Primary Angular Momentum and via Tensegrity forms Matter with resulting Quantum 1/2 spin.

PHI is the direct result and first Ratio produced by this arrangement as it Cycles." Junglelord, www.thunderbolts.info

"It's never too late to have a happy childhood" - Ahim-sa

"Thought being a given is the first assertion of self-awareness; the remaining truth is simply "I am, therefore there is". Self and other, subject and object." Eyeam

"Remember me as I AM." My Brother
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What is femto ???

going on the 23 heh ?

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