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My work is gonna fine smokers 50 bucks a month ..

 
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Don't like a company restricting your "smoking rights"?

Quit and go work for a company that has no such restriction.
Companies are tired of forcing ALL employees to PAY EXTRA MONEY for PREVENTABLE medical insurance issues caused by just a few.

(and yep, health insurance is NOT really paid by the company, it is paid for via the work of the employees ... higher health insurance costs means lower wages)
 Quoting: zzbudzz


Companies should be able to hire and fire on the basis of their personal beliefs. If they think smoking is immoral, then they have the right to remove it from the workplace.

"Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body" (1 Corinthians 6:19-20).
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ok then cake shops that refuse to promote sodomy have a right to do that.
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Libertardians are fags.
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Smokers are terrorists who are attempting murder each time they light up.
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08/22/2015 10:42 AM
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Re: My work is gonna fine smokers 50 bucks a month ..
Maybe we should all let big gay nwo fascist rev al have a monologue.
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Re: My work is gonna fine smokers 50 bucks a month ..
Libertardians are fags.
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Smokers are terrorists who are attempting murder each time they light up.
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Your beloved lib gov loves tobacco companies lobby $ though.
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Re: My work is gonna fine smokers 50 bucks a month ..
I'm surprised it's only $50. Smokers cost a lot more in medical costs.
 Quoting: Epic Beard Guy


I'm not trying to argue, but where?

The smokers I know, including myself, rarely go to the doctor.

I haven't been in nearly 10 years.

The ones costing so much from what I witness are those with standing appointments for screenings, wellness checks and prescription refill check-ups.

So many aren't even sick and still manage to find an excuse to go.

I'm not against any of the above, but I've read that they can be much less frequent and still be affective.
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Re: My work is gonna fine smokers 50 bucks a month ..
When you fags sodomise each other, you are spreading disease, why do you think you have a right to spread you disease?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70117577


Wow, a smoker and anti-gay.

When you smoke you force others to participate in the activity against their will.

Just like when a man rapes a woman, he is forcing her to participate in his sexual activity.

And just as a victim of rape feels violated so do those of us who do not want to smoke. Yet you continue to blow smoke in our faces.

You are like the child molester who masturbates in a children's park and then claims you are not hurting anyone because you have a right to masturbate.

Yes, you do have a right to masturbate but not where others have to be a part of it.
 Quoting: Reverend Alan


stunned
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Re: My work is gonna fine smokers 50 bucks a month ..

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Companies should be able to hire and fire on the basis of their personal beliefs. If they think smoking is immoral, then they have the right to remove it from the workplace.

"Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body" (1 Corinthians 6:19-20).
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Too bad bakeries can't refuse to bake on the basis of their personal beliefs of immorality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58787739


What's your point? Do you think they should be able to? If so then you must support the right of employers to fire smokers?

Rights don't change based on whether you like a thing, two wrongs don't make a right.
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Libertardians are fags.
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Smokers are terrorists who are attempting murder each time they light up.
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Companies should be able to hire and fire on the basis of their personal beliefs. If they think smoking is immoral, then they have the right to remove it from the workplace.

"Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body" (1 Corinthians 6:19-20).
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ok then cake shops that refuse to promote sodomy have a right to do that.
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Do you see me disagreeing? I'm not a hypocrite...
Reverend Alan

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Re: My work is gonna fine smokers 50 bucks a month ..
No libertarian would support Hitlerian (y'all knows Hitler was a rabid bigot about smoking) discrimination against smokers, that's not 'liberty'.
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I support preventing you from trespassing your second hand tobacco smoke into my space.

You are confused, you are the aggressor, you start the problem. There is no liberty to violate the rights of others.

Here I am sitting down minding my own business and you light up and then I am forced to smoke the cigarette with you.

Can you smoke with out me smelling the smoke? If so, then go ahead and do so.

Hitler was a Christian and Christians believe their bodies are a temple given to them by God and they must not defile it or they are defiling God. No Christian smokes tobacco.
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Re: My work is gonna fine smokers 50 bucks a month ..
what about them charging more if you like man asss226for aid's....lets not discriminate
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Re: My work is gonna fine smokers 50 bucks a month ..
I blame the big tobacco companies for stuffing our cigarettes full with 5000+ types of chemicals!!
:kkwapper:
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08/22/2015 10:51 AM
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Re: My work is gonna fine smokers 50 bucks a month ..
I'm surprised it's only $50. Smokers cost a lot more in medical costs.
 Quoting: Epic Beard Guy


I'm not trying to argue, but where?

The smokers I know, including myself, rarely go to the doctor.

I haven't been in nearly 10 years.

The ones costing so much from what I witness are those with standing appointments for screenings, wellness checks and prescription refill check-ups.

So many aren't even sick and still manage to find an excuse to go.

I'm not against any of the above, but I've read that they can be much less frequent and still be affective.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69948318


Your anecdotal evidence doesn't mean anything, I'm afraid. My grampa smoked 40 a day and lived to 80, so what? Only shock of would argue that smoking isn't bad for you on that basis.

As for smokers in the workplace:

[link to www.forbes.com]

Forbes isn't exactly a communist hackrag last time I checked.
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Re: My work is gonna fine smokers 50 bucks a month ..
You told you this?
 Quoting: puredreaming


[link to www.cbc.ca]

[link to www.cnn.com]

Have you ever wondered how smoking affects work performance?

Some smokers argue that smoke breaks are used as a time to reflect on what's been accomplished and work that still needs to be done, thus making them more productive than non-smokers.

But a new study shows smokers have poorer-than-average work performance and productivity; they also tend to call in sick more.

In a study of more than 14,000 Swedish workers, Petter Lundborg, Ph.D., an economist at the Free University of Amsterdam in the Netherlands, found smokers took an average of almost 11 more sick days than non-smokers.
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08/22/2015 10:54 AM
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Re: My work is gonna fine smokers 50 bucks a month ..
No libertarian would support Hitlerian (y'all knows Hitler was a rabid bigot about smoking) discrimination against smokers, that's not 'liberty'.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70117577


I support preventing you from trespassing your second hand tobacco smoke into my space.

You are confused, you are the aggressor, you start the problem. There is no liberty to violate the rights of others.

Here I am sitting down minding my own business and you light up and then I am forced to smoke the cigarette with you.

Can you smoke with out me smelling the smoke? If so, then go ahead and do so.

Hitler was a Christian and Christians believe their bodies are a temple given to them by God and they must not defile it or they are defiling God. No Christian smokes tobacco.
 Quoting: Reverend Alan


You're such an obvious fag, and rabid anti-semite/anti-christian. Shitler was a pagan, nazism began in a ghey bar.

The temple was always filled with smoke, the burnt offering sent up smoke and in the interior, incense was burnt, that's why debbil worshippers like you object to smoke, because it is holy.
Reverend Alan

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08/22/2015 10:57 AM
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Re: My work is gonna fine smokers 50 bucks a month ..
Sounds perilously close to socialism to me. You suggesting collective action for addicted smokers? You think people should pay for other people's abortions as well?

Smokers cost more in health care, and they're less focused at work, like any other addict. They should pay more in premiums. Anything else and You may as well have socialist healthcare and death panels.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12773607


They want more socialism because they want us to pay for their addiction. Which is why we should get business and government both out of the health care business and let each individual get his own health care. After all we are already paying for it now, we would just pay directly with out the government taking its cut.

You are exactly right that smokers are less focused at work and they call in sick much more often and are out sick longer than people who do not abuse themselves with this drug.

The Socialist smoker wants to smoke and then wants us to pay to clean up his mess.
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08/22/2015 10:58 AM
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Re: My work is gonna fine smokers 50 bucks a month ..
what about them charging more if you like man asss226for aid's....lets not discriminate
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33471750


I know you think you're being terribly funny, but this point has been made half a dozen times already.

In my country, if you've ever had an aids test, I.e. you engage in risky sex activity of any kind, then you have to declare it to the insurance coy and yes you do pay more.

Your false equivalence has already been dealt with by the actuaries, who straight up do not give a darn about anything but numbers.

I will not pay for an addict to stay addicted,whether he's addicted to cigs or ass, I don't care. You should get some self control and start taking care of yourselves.

Smoking cigs is just a substitute for smoking pole anyway, I've never understood the kind of man who wants to go do I d with a tube in his mouth all day. I suspect you're craving something elseSmileyWink
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Re: My work is gonna fine smokers 50 bucks a month ..
The temple was always filled with smoke, the burnt offering sent up smoke and in the interior, incense was burnt, that's why debbil worshippers like you object to smoke, because it is holy.
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:fullretard1:
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08/22/2015 11:01 AM
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Re: My work is gonna fine smokers 50 bucks a month ..
what about narcissists though, do the actuaries oblige non-narcissists to pay for narcissists 'health' issues?
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The temple was always filled with smoke, the burnt offering sent up smoke and in the interior, incense was burnt, that's why debbil worshippers like you object to smoke, because it is holy.
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:fullretard1:
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You're the one going full retard, ya fag.
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08/22/2015 11:02 AM
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Re: My work is gonna fine smokers 50 bucks a month ..
stoner Thank goodness I'm retired. I feel sorry for the rest of you though.
 Quoting: Judethz


Ditto. Sorry guys.
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Re: My work is gonna fine smokers 50 bucks a month ..
Libertardians are fags.
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Smokers are terrorists who are attempting murder each time they light up.
 Quoting: Reverend Alan


You car exhaust is killing me you Nazi.
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08/22/2015 11:05 AM
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Re: My work is gonna fine smokers 50 bucks a month ..
To cut to the chase, the reason why all these nwo health nazis have their panties in a bunch is because the only time God ever appeared is in fire, smoke or cloud, so their satanic puppetmaster has sent them out to say, 'ohhh uh thass rong becaws uh nwo baal priests say so.
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Re: My work is gonna fine smokers 50 bucks a month ..
what about narcissists though, do the actuaries oblige non-narcissists to pay for narcissists 'health' issues?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70117577


Wtf are you on about, Bruce? Any idea?

Answer quick m8, I think I can hear a dingo sniffing round your pram.
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08/22/2015 11:06 AM
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Re: My work is gonna fine smokers 50 bucks a month ..
I just got the Email that my employer is going smoke free at all their sites April 2017. Starting this year when we have our open enrollment for healthcare they will charge tobacco users "A SURCHARGE" of 50 bucks a month. How will they know you use tobacco who knows, probably some kind kind of blood test, like they give a 60 dollar a month discount on our health insurance if we get our blood checked for sugar etc.. I'm pretty pissed they are gonna fine smokers even if they don't smoke on the plant...yeah I smoke SO WHAT! why not charge all the fat fucks with diabetes shoving their face full of food everytime you see them?
 Quoting: zzbudzz


That is complete and total bullshit. I bet they don't fine people for drinking alcohol or coffee. Like you said sugar is a big drug.

We've lost our minds.

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Not true. Smokers call in sick more often, they stay sick longer and they are less productive when they do bother to show up.
 Quoting: Reverend Alan


bsflag
 Quoting: KipKat


hesright

[link to www.forbes.com]

Just smoke breaks alone costs thousands a year so the addicts can go outside and pollute the air.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12773607


Picking your nose while pointing fingers looses production time. That's why China is going to do your job. You fail to see your true enemy. Yourself.
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Re: My work is gonna fine smokers 50 bucks a month ..
The temple was always filled with smoke, the burnt offering sent up smoke and in the interior, incense was burnt, that's why debbil worshippers like you object to smoke, because it is holy.
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:fullretard1:
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12773607


You're the one going full retard, ya fag.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70117577


I'm starting to think you might not actually be old enough for this site, sonny.

stfu
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Fuck Forbes. They don't pay my bills.
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Fuck Forbes. They don't pay my bills.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42103053


No, the welfare state does, you commie.
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bsflag
 Quoting: KipKat


Compared with people who never smoked, smokers took an average of 7.67 more days of sick leave. After controlling for other factors, former smokers took no more sick days than nonsmokers. The study appears in the April issue of Tobacco Control.
[link to www.nytimes.com]

A second study appearing in the same issue found Swedish smokerstake nearly eight more days of sick leave per year on average than their non-smoking colleagues.
Smoking has been linked to missing work, but the studies often had small samples and did not take into consideration other factors such as socio-economic background.
To reduce the risk of measurement errors, Petter Lundborg, an economist at Free University Amsterdam in the Netherlands, used a nationally representative database on sickness-related absences among more than 14,000 workers in Sweden from 1988 to 1991.
[link to www.cbc.ca]

Overall, smokers took the most sick leave, an average of 11 extra days, or more than two weeks of full-time work, compared with non-smokers.
"The results suggest that policies that reduce and/or prevent smoking may also reduce the number of days of sick leave," Lundborg concluded.
The results of both studies suggest smoking cessation policies may increase worker productivity.
[link to www.cbc.ca]





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