The "BIBLE" is full of alien influence..With 2+ billion folks following the Islam religion..How much of the Quran is influenced by aliens??

I was, and it is relevant. Eastern culture values personal cleanliness above almost everything (and has for millenium), no? The Persians gave the world medicine, surgery, veterinarian medicine, algebra, trigonmetry, astronomy the list goes on and on.

That's my point.

point taken

back atcha :)

Am I the only one astounded that it hasn't been changed?

It stands to reason that when civilisation started to split into different 'factions/religions' , that like most other 'Bibles', the interpretation would be changed to serve the purpose of the interpreture.

What/who was there to insure the contents stayed UN-changed? Certainly every-one didn't have the same loyalties to the Qur'an.


RE: "Star-child and son of God"

122539, I sat up and pondered other 'stories' that is represented in the Christian Bible and started thinking about the 'Ark'...

..Is it mentioned in the Qu'ran and if so, is it possible that is was not a 'boat' full of "animals two by two" (altho we know this to be an impossibility now) but not a Ship with the DNA of all animals kept for preservation?

...and what of the "Mothership" Luis Farrakan speaks of?

TIA

Just a Thought,

Ishtahota

Islam is a made up religion. Nothing Godlike about it. It is based on the Moon God of ancient Arabia. Look it up.

Ishtar..... Well done
to my mind this is exactly what may have happened. For many years now i have concluded that the notion of animals two by two was refering to DNA storage. This is the only possible explanation so far. It stands to logic if we were to accept the story of the Ark. We do know that the animals were indeed taken to the Ark but logic tells us that physically that is impossible , so the only explanation would be the carrying of the DNA of each animal. this is the only way to transport and thus insure the survival of all creatures.

Wow. Human influence, lack of technical understanding could! warp the purpose, but keep the basics intact. Marvelous Ishta!

The bible is the true word of Go0d given for mans salvation. This thread is a load of old rubbish.

There are threads for you to prove how many "Words" your "GoOd" actually put into that Bible personally...

...And there are threads where you can discuss any one of many DIFFERENT translated version of that same bible..

...but, with respect 19.47, this thread is about the UNCHANGED Qu'ran and its influence by being(s) higher than ourselves and yes even yourself.

The Qur'an was an oral text throughout the lifetime of Muhammad; it was also a fluid text. The complete text resided only in the memories of Muahmmad and his followers. As he added verses and reorganized the text, his followers would rememorize the text in the light of the additions or edits. This means that the Qur'an was a living text during the lifetime of Muhammad. Certain verses revealed to Muhammad were later repudiated by him as "satanic" verses revealed not by Gabriel but by Satan. These verses were expunged from the text that so many had memorized.

After the death of Muhammad, the text of the Qur'an was written down in the caliphate of Abu Bakr. Until 'Uthman, one and only one written text existed. For over a decade after the death of Muhammad, the Qur'an remained primarily an oral text in the memories of the faithful. In Islamic accounts of the history of the Qur'an , this oral text was entirely faithful to the original verses—this is entirely possible, but Western historians generally agree that some corruptions must have produced slight variations throughout the Islamic world. Nevertheless, the military expansion of Islam led to two direct consequences concerning the integrity of the Quranic text. First, large numbers of the faithful were dying out in the various military expeditions. Each time someone died who had the Quranic text memorized, that meant that one copy of the Qur'an disappeared forever. Second, the expansion of Islam swelled the ranks of the faithful. Many of these new converts spoke other langagues and the original Arabic of the Qur'an began to corrupt. Faced with these two threats to the integrity of the Qur'an , 'Uthman orderd a rescension of the text to be made and to serve as the definitive written version of the text. A rescension is a version of a text that is assembled from all the variant versions of that text. 'Uthman, however, relied on two sources: the written text that had been ordered by Abu Bakr and that still existed, and the various oral texts of Muslims who memorized it during the lifetime of Muhammad. In Islamic history, there is no variation between these two sources, so the Uthmanic "rescension" is largely a codifying of a single version of a text. This version, the 'Uthmanic rescension, is the version of the Qur'an that has remained, unchanged, the central holy text of Islam.

[link to www.wsu.edu]

Dedicated to Ishtar and Shadow

Don't wish to diviate from the thread but based on DNA issue and Ark spoken earlier, i would like to add this.

Just imagine this.
Outer beings from higher realms for one reason or another which is not explainable at this moment for me arrived on earth. It is possible that they saw the animal human like creatures that had started to walk on two feet through evolution. The higher beings went on the experimentation of mixing the DNA of this human animal creature with their own. After a long period of time they achieved in creating what we now call Adam. Imagine also in order to protect this creature they had to make sure he was out of harms way, thus creating a lab (resembling earth environment called in religion: Garden of Eden) with all possible nourishments. They looked after Adam and observed him as to his behaviour. After all they had noticed that the human animals on earth were behaving (like any other animal) mostly through instinct and natural reaction with no rationality. However their aim in creating Adam was to offer him the understanding that other animals did not possess. After being satisfied that there existed no physical malfunction in Adam they set out to create his mate in the form of Eve. Since it had taken a long time in creating Adam then it stood to reason to use Adams DNA and modify to create Eve. The story tells us that Adam was put to sleep and one of his ribs taken out to make Eve. We now know that this is quite plausible and perhaps the best option (using flesh and bones to generate and clone another). Upon creating Adam and Eve, everything was complete except the final testing of decision making. It is easy to teach an animal to sit, behave and follow orders but that is not what the higher beings had in mind. Their aim was to create a creature that could think for itself, feel, understand and have a mind that could enable consciousness to come through it. Most importantly a creature that was able to make its own decision regardless of orders. A time arrived for these creatures to undergo a test on their decision making. They were told not to touch a particular object and told that it was forbidden to them (the forbidden fruit). At first they obeyed and did not deviate from orders. This act by itself did not conclude and hence a time arrived where upon someone or something was sent to them to deviate them from those orders. It was at that time that Adam and Eve made the decision to eat from the so called forbidden fruit. The important point was that they made their own decisions regardless of the orders. They could think for themselves. They did not commit a sin. Infact this was indeed their salvation and freedom. That is why it is said that their eyes were opened. Until then they were just like robots and obeyed orders, but from the moment they made their own decision their eyes opened to the fact that they are no longer an animal. They are indeed a human being that could think for its self with a consciousness. This was a fantastic achievement for the higher beings. They knew that Adam and Eve were no longer required to stay in that lab (Garden of Eden) and it was time for them to go down to earth and multiply thus spreading this consciousness throughout the earth. They were told to go with a promise that one day their children would return back to them. The life on earth was to be a path and experience of human generations for the purpose of understanding, fulfilment and perfection of self. When Adam and Eve were sent to earth, they were pure but with no experience and experience was what was needed in order to put them in state of being. You see… it’s not good enough for a person to know that they are kind. They must do an act of kindness and thus become kindness and be in a state of being of kindness. This is the notion of the words Father, the Son and holly ghost. The father is the all knowing. The son is the experience and the holly ghost is the state of being.
Any how, after Adam and Eve populated earth including mixing with human animals that existed on earth, the earth was populated with a mixture of
human animals/human animals.
Adam.Eve/human animals.
And those who were pure born of Adam and Eve. It was at this time that purification was necessary and thus the story of Noah and Ark.
One by one as these humans progressed the higher beings brought down star children Noah, Abraham, Mosses, Jesus and Mohamad) to help the humans to transit to the next stage of human understanding.

ishtar
my post about Adam and Eve in some ways could explain as to why there may be so much influence by higher beings in Bible and Koran. They are after all guiding us.

(snip) "A time arrived for these creatures to undergo a test on their decision making. They were told not to touch a particular object and told that it was forbidden to them (the forbidden fruit). At first they obeyed and did not deviate from orders. This act by itself did not conclude and hence a time arrived where upon someone or something was sent to them to deviate them from those orders. It was at that time that Adam and Eve made the decision to eat from the so called forbidden fruit."

Excellent post!

I believe that we are on the same thought line 122539. I expecialy enjoyed reading the above statement.

When Adem and Eve "took of the forbidden fruit" it truly was the point at which they were considered Sentient. It was that point at which their/our proud Creators measured there ability to BE self-sufficient by being able to weigh the choices in front of them and decide based upon what THEY themselvs considered to be more pertanent FOR themselves. (could possibly greed, envy, and desire be born then aswell?)

It does beg the question as to 'who/what' was the factor that would have been used to "deviate" them. I don't see 'it' as being evil. simply an entity that let them believe that there could be other choices to consider.

Considering what "Eden" must have been like, I could see how the choice to eat the fruit and the subsequent "banishment to earth" could be construde over the years as an act only becoming of an 'evil' and 'wicked' being. When Ironicly, that very act was what gave us the freedom from bondage/controll we HAD with our Creators.

IMHO I believe the time of your theoretical "purification" for this round of humans on earth to be not far in our past...say 12-17 thousand years ago...arround the same time as the dissapearing of the great Wolly Mamoths and Sabre Tooths tigers and such. The great change that happened on Earth and the reason for the needing the Ark could coinside with this time frame?

So thru the years we have been we have been graced with the presence of Star-children who helped us on the way. The obvious ones being Jesus, Mohamad et el.

IMHO we may also have been graced with folks that wern't so obvious..ie folks like Einstein. There sure has been alot of forward momentum in the last 100 years....


Just a Thought,

Ishtahota

To the same extent as the Mormon Bible.

LOL



says the phoney hate filled ignorant christian!

you are not a girl, fooling no one you know

Here is an interesting find...

Earlier I had mentioned how amazed at how the Qu'ran has remained in its pure form and un-changed...

I was following a thread today about how Pure Tone sound vibrations manipulate salt in the physical world into intricut geometric shapes on a 2 dementional serface... [link to www.youtube.com]

(I had investigated this on one of my previous threads.)

...and I followed a link on that thread to a Dr. Hans Jenny who wrote the book:

-The Structure and Dynamics of Waves and Vibrations-

Jenny made use of crystal oscillators and an invention of his own by the name of the tonoscope. The advantage with the crystal oscillators inside the tonoscope is that one can determine exactly which frequency and amplitude/volume one wants.

The tonoscope was constructed to make the human voice visible without any electronic apparatus as an intermediate link. This yielded the amazing possibility of being able to see the physical image of the vowel, tone or song a human being produced directly.

Jenny called this new area of research cymatics, which comes from the Greek kyma, wave. Cymatics could be translated as: the study of how vibrations, in the broad sense, generate and influence patterns, shapes and moving processes.

This is the letter "A" (useing sand as the medium)... [link to www.mysticalsun.com]

..and in it..

...... Jenny noticed that when the vowels of the ancient languages of Hebrew and Sanskrit were pronounced, the sand took the shape of the written symbols for these vowels, while our modern languages, on the other hand, did not generate the same result!



How is this possible? Did the ancient Hebrews and Indians know this? Is there something to the concept of "sacred language," which both of these are sometimes called? What qualities do these "sacred languages," among which Tibetan, Egyptian and Chinese are often numbered, possess? Do they have the power to influence and transform physical reality, to create things through their inherent power, or, to take a concrete example, through the recitation or singing of sacred texts, to heal a person who has gone "out of tune"?


Just a Thought,

Ishtahota

Of course the Bible is the work of extraterrestrials, the Anunnaki hybrids book it is because it is a book about the generations of Adam the hybrid Anunnaki and his hybrid woman, Eve. They were the first successful hybrids produced by the Anunnakis. Created to work for the Anunnakis who came to earth because they wanted its Gold, but too lazy to do the digging, etc. so these ETs produced intelligent workers using their DNA which made them become like them. No longer dumb animals.

"How much of the Quran is influenced by aliens?? "



It`s certainly practised by lots of ILLEGAL Aliens...

Ishta
Just saw your post. I shall be looking at this with interest and will post again regarding this. Thanks.

If the Qu'ran is in its perfect and pure form and has the pure math ingrained into its matrix...

...and the language in its original form is found in natural, pure sound, vibrations...

...seemes to me that there is a connection in the origin of the Qu'ran, Sound, and Math in their pure form..?!

Ishta
At the beginning it was the word and then the word was made in to flesh- According to religion. The word or sound is directly connected to the feelings within. What you feel, you express through sound. In the old days before language was formed, feelings were expressed through sounds but now these sounds have formed themselves to what we call words. We express our feelings through words. Laughter expresses happiness although some laughter express fear etc (but certainly they would not sound the same as happy laughter). Each sound has a particular feeling thus a meaning and energy attached to it. The letter M or its continuance Mmmmmmmm has the meaning and feeling of nurturing. This is why the word mother or its derivative is almost the same in every single language in the world. This is also why Earth is referred to as mother earth. The Buddhists teach us to meditate and pronounce certain letters. By concentrating on these letters and sounds one can vibrate certain inner parts of the body and thus create a certain feelings or invoke certain energies (through vibrations) in stored within the body or surrounding. In every single religion chanting has a prominent role. Have you noticed that a leader of a nation just by using certain words put together in the correct way can manipulate the public in to actions such as war or peace? Such is the power of sound.
Manipulating energies through sound is an old ancient art. In ancient times when words were directly represented by feelings (before mixing with other languages and thus diluting its effect) such as Hebrew, powers could be invoked by directly pronouncing words in exact and correct pitch. This is exactly where spells come from although today it is difficult to achieve its powers by using modern language. As I said each letter has its own power and feeling. If the letters were put together in certain sequence and pronounced correctly, the result will be a chain reaction that the power of one sound will give to the next and thus generate a fantastic amount of energy. The ancients used this art as indicated in mythology.
What I have said is connected to your post and the U-Tube video you posted regarding sound and its vibration effect. BTW, do you think that this may be one way (sound vibration) the Crop circles are formed?

It is said that one of the reasons that the Koran was written in Arabic is because of the Arabic language. It is said that Arabic is a perfect modern language, not by the number of letters it contains but by the sounds it provides. Arabic sounds quite harsh. It is because the sounds come directly from within, not through the throat but further within. It is said that if the Koran is recited in a calm and perfect pronunciation, it will invoke powers that will lead directly to enlightenment. There are some chapters in Koran that begin with certain letters that have mystified scholars but some believe that they are representation of the complete understanding of that chapter if pronounced correctly. This is why from the beginning of Islam, reciting the Koran in the correct way has been one of the most important issues. It is also believed that by pronouncing the words in the Koran correctly will invoke powers that will lead to direct understanding of the verses without the need to know the language. This is why the Koran is said to be everlasting in its meaning. Today’s Arabic has somewhat changed from the days Koran was written and thus its interpretation is nothing more than a translation which gives rise to the corruption of the meaning even though it is translated from old Arabic to new Arabic. The corruption in the Koran is not because it has changed from its original form but because its translation gives rise to losing its basic intended meaning. This is why many people (Westerners as well as Arabs) complain about Koran and its meaning, claiming that it’s teaching are the way of sword or in certain chapters it is against Christianity etc. The problem here is direct translation from old Arabic to new which will somewhat change the original intended meaning of the Koran. This notion applies exactly the same to Bible in its original form and language (but not its translation). The corruption in the Bible is not necessarily through changing of the words or missing chapters but mostly through its change from its original language and sounds.

Just a few cultural observations here.
The scholarly postings from WSU on
the Numerology of the Koran showed the
repetition of the prime number 19.
Our Western Civilization is based on divisible numbers like 12 and 10.
Also the straight line is almost the
mainstay of Western Geometry, at least
in America, where land measurements
use straight lines and right angles, as opposed to Europe and other places
where they follow rivers, mountains &
other natural land features.
That shows Western determination to
assert his domination over nature.
Eastern civilization, mainly Taoism, goes with the flow, not imposing any
doctrinal expectations of the outcome.
Islam is somewhere inbetween the two
with "Inshallah", "If Allah wills it",
as a fatalistic form of Acceptance of
whatever happens, but follows doctrine,
as Islam puts an intelligent God every-
where, while the Tao is an im-personal
Force that no one can claim to own.

Going back to Geometry: The Arabic
alphabet script is curved, wavy lines,
almost scribbles, when compared to the
straight lines of Greek and Roman based
alphabets. This gives me impressions
that Western culture is rational, while
Islamic culture is irrational, subject
to the whims of a superior Force they
call "Allah",who may not have mankind's
best interests at heart.
What I mean by that is perhaps the
Place on the Inner Worlds, from which
the Koran emanates, is home to a race
of non-humanoid beings whose culture is
actually based on numbers like 19.

In other words, the fountainheads of
each civilization are different and as
opposed to each other as can be. Just
like East Asian (Chinese) languages are
so completely unlike Western languages
that learning them takes very different
thought processes.

My belief is that "gods" of each of
the competing world cultures are really
groups of Beings in the Spirit Worlds,
committees, cabals, brotherhoods, that
put forth a single Name as a front, as
Jehovah/Jove/Zeus, as the leader of the
West, and Allah an emergent opposition
of the Non-Western races of the world.

Someone correct me on this, but the
Arabic script and even civilization,
seemed to have burst out of Arabia at
about the same time, with few if any
antecedents. Like it was an invader from another world altogether.

It came out of left field, with no
warning to the Persians and Byantines
battling each other in the 600s A.D.
It conquered them both, better meeting
the human needs of the people of the
Middle East than the others did.

In summary, all things must have
their opposites, and the Annunaki,
having conquered the Western World by
means of Alexander the Great and the
Romans, created a need for an opposing
Force, which emerged as Islam.

About the same amount as Joseph Smith's "angelic" revelations - 100% contrivance and manipulation. To what end? Division, control, and death.

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Ishta

This is the story according to Sufi Doctrine.
The angle who supposedly deceived Adam and Eve was infact one of the most beautiful of all angles (Ebliss in Islam and Lucifer in Christianity). The Sufis relate to him as such: While God was creating Adam, all angles were told to turn away and not look, but Ebliss indeed did look. At this time he became aware of Gods’ plan. He knew indeed that without a sacrifice such plan would not go in to action. He also knew that he would indeed be damned by humanity for the rest of eternity and yet his love for God was such that he sacrificed himself for sake of humanity. By using himself to deceive Adam and Eve he condemned himself to damnation and yet according to Sufi legend his words to God were such. "An eternity in Hell for your love is better than one moment in heaven without your attention". Ironically these very same words have become the focus point in almost every single book, stories, films, plays etc that talk of sacrifice and love. Of course this is just mythology and stories but in a way it homes in the idea that the being that deceived Adam and Eve was not after all evil as depicted by humans (as you so rightly indicated in your post).
It also brings to mind the story of Judas who supposedly betrayed Jesus. IMHO, I have always held on to the notion that the greatest disciple by Jesus’ side was indeed Judas. He sacrificed himself (with Jesus’ blessing) in to eternal damnation all for the sake and cause of Jesus. Indeed I am sure you will agree with me that when a time will come for all such creatures to stand before the almighty God (that time would be the moment humanity has joined together as one unity in order to realise that God indeed is a total sum of all of creatures, material, non-material, vegetation and all aspects of energy) the entities such as Lucifer and Judas will be honoured and held to the highest position possible.

If you care to read everything available on the website below, you may end up with a very different view of how these religions were influenced...

[link to www.ronpeggdiscoveries.com]

Let's not forget that the Holy Scripture/bible is made up of two parts. The Old and the New Testaments.

The Old is the Judaic scripture which has remained unchanged since it was first scribed. It was so important that if a copy were found with a single flaw, it was destroyed. So what we have today as Old Testament is pretty pure! Now add the New which has been played with a lot by man! It is a political statement amended and altered as necessary to achieve the desired effect of control over mankind. Now here is the interesting part. With all the interference, the following remains true:-

(What is the shortest chapter in the Bible?
Answer - Psalm 117

What is the longest chapter in the Bible?
Answer - Psalm 119

Which chapter is in the centre of the Bible?
Answer - Psalms 118

Fact: There are 594 chapters before Psalms 118. There are 594 chapters after Psalms 118. Add these numbers up and you get 1188.

What is the centre verse in the Bible?
Answer - Psalms 118:8

Does this verse say something significant about God's perfect will for our lives?




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Did you know . . .
1) Psalm 118 is the middle chapter of the entire Bible?

2) Psalm 117, before Psalm 118 is the shortest chapter in the Bible?

3) Psalm 119, after Psalm 118 is the longest chapter in the Bible?

4) The Bible has 594 chapters before Psalm 118 and 594 chapters after Psalm 118?

5) If you add up all the chapters except Psalm 118, you get a total of 1188 chapters?

6) 1188 or Psalm 118 verse 8 is the middle verse of the entire Bible?

Should the central verse not have a fairly important message? "It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in man." - Psalm 118:8

Is this central verse not also the central theme of the entire Bible? This is not a coincidence. God is in complete control).

I believe whether Jew, Moslem or Christian, (note we are still all brothers under Abraham), God IS IN control!

The Bible is the put together by way of using telepathy for the hybrid Anunnakis and passed down to the generations of the first successful Anunnaki hybrids the generations of Adam. Anunnakis fought against each other (War In The Heavens) so it continues as it reads ...on earth as it is in heaven. Or "whats above so below".

The Bible is the inspired WOrd of God...by faith believe it.

Faith alone is not the answer any more. Faith can only go hand in hand with rationality and reason. We no longer live in the era of Woo Woo land. We have science, reason and a brain to think with. Faith alone without foundation is a non runner. Think about it this way. Your faith is not universal. Your faith was put in to you by your scociety and your parents. If you were born in a different family or a different country you would indeed have a different faith. So this faith is nothing but a brainwashing thought that was put in to you. The real faith is one that considers all options, looks at the science behind all religions and sees the unity of all within the sphere of universe and beyond. To claim "i am a christian, a jew or a muslim, therefore i have faith " is nothing more than a faith that has tricked its way in to your mentality in order to destroy the truth.