The "BIBLE" is full of alien influence..With 2+ billion folks following the Islam religion..How much of the Quran is influenced by aliens??

Hey Ishta nice to see you here, this is the best thread ever.

>..Doesn't this show that, like humans, there are other creatures in the universe that will also be raised from the dead?...<

Absolutely! It's an arrogant assumption that because we are 'human' we are the only ones to be raised up. In fact I would think that being human would hinder our chances of progression,(snip)..

I believe the Angel who visited Muhammed at Cave Hira was an extra-terrestrial.

Muhammed went scrambling home, hid under blankets and told his wife to cover him... he was terrified.

His wife believed it was Angel Gabriel, the same Angel who contacted Moses... in a space ship on the mountain, probably.

Not a white angelic looking man with wings, but an extra terrestrial being.

Also, I note that in the Qur'an in the places where one reads as if from God's person it says "We"

I'm winging it so don't get me on minute detail, but some quotes from the Qur'an:

"We could have made all to worship as one but still they would debate"

"We give them life and give it yet again. Still they do not understand"

I couldn't help but compare the "We" references in the Qur'an to the "We" references in Zeta-talk.

I believe the Angel who visited Muhammed at Cave Hira was an extra-terrestrial.

Muhammed went scrambling home, hid under blankets and told his wife to cover him... he was terrified.

His wife believed it was Angel Gabriel, the same Angel who contacted Moses... in a space ship on the mountain, probably.

Not a white angelic looking man with wings, but an extra terrestrial being.
(snip)

Ishtahota,

The Qur'an specifically mentions "seven heavens and seven earths", other worlds.

And the djinn.

Get a copy of the Qur'an if you don't have it already, or google Qur'an online...

Read the Surah called "The Djinn".

Several times it says the djinn try to listen in on the "Heavenly Assembly" to find hidden knowledge, especially about the future, but they are prohibited
from knowing the Will of Allah.

The Qur'an builds on what is in the Bible.

Many interpreters believe the djinn are
UFOs & ET.

Some djinn have submitted to Allah's Will, while others are malicious and dangerous.

This topic is amazing.

This I want to ask. Has anyone read Rael's book "Intelligent Design"?

He's Rael the leader of the Raeliens and he wrote this book translating the Bible for what it really means and A LOT OF IT MAKES SENSE and it's scary. I'm not going to become a Raelien or a Muslim but all this sounds too good to be fake so... what do you guys think?

Raeliens say that Jesus was here to teach primitive mankind about spirituality. Prophets are people who communicates with our alien gods etc...
They get into Noah's flood. Adam and Eve and the garden of Eden. It's all very freaky and it all makes a lot of sense. What do you guys think?

Jibreel dictated the Qur'an to Muhammad.

He is not an "alien", but most definitely a celestial being.

The djinn are like humans in that they have something like "free will", they can choose to obey or not.

The angels have no free-will, they do only what they are told.

I believe the Angel who visited Muhammed at Cave Hira was an extra-terrestrial.

Muhammed went scrambling home, hid under blankets and told his wife to cover him... he was terrified.

His wife believed it was Angel Gabriel, the same Angel who contacted Moses... in a space ship on the mountain, probably.

Not a white angelic looking man with wings, but an extra terrestrial being.

Also, I note that in the Qur'an in the places where one reads as if from God's person it says "We"

I'm winging it so don't get me on minute detail, but some quotes from the Qur'an:

"We could have made all to worship as one but still they would debate"

"We give them life and give it yet again. Still they do not understand"

I couldn't help but compare the "We" references in the Qur'an to the "We" references in Zeta-talk.


The perspective of God changed in the Quran, from we, to me, to us, to THE ALL.

This is done puposly because God in the Quran is "the great everything", "the all", the source", "the unseen and unknowable"...

This "we" is done because God in the Quran is a concept, one that goes beyond, male or female or location.

Unfortunately the human mind cannot comprehend this paradox, so the shift of perspective and reference was used for God in place of an explination, as we could not define God in human terms.

God is a paradox, an individual sentient entity, but all of creation at the same time, both the physical representation of the universe, but also that which is not physical.

The past and the futre all at once.

Allah is just something that cannot be "labeled", you know?

So all available lables were used to convey this paradox.

Also so that man could not make an idol out of a man, or the prophet himself, like the Christians have done, because it is clear that Muhammed could not have been a "we".

This topic is amazing.

This I want to ask. Has anyone read Rael's book "Intelligent Design"?

He's Rael the leader of the Raeliens and he wrote this book translating the Bible for what it really means and A LOT OF IT MAKES SENSE and it's scary. I'm not going to become a Raelien or a Muslim but all this sounds too good to be fake so... what do you guys think?

Raeliens say that Jesus was here to teach primitive mankind about spirituality. Prophets are people who communicates with our alien gods etc...
They get into Noah's flood. Adam and Eve and the garden of Eden. It's all very freaky and it all makes a lot of sense. What do you guys think?

This topic is amazing.

This I want to ask. Has anyone read Rael's book "Intelligent Design"?

He's Rael the leader of the Raeliens and he wrote this book translating the Bible for what it really means and A LOT OF IT MAKES SENSE and it's scary. I'm not going to become a Raelien or a Muslim but all this sounds too good to be fake so... what do you guys think?

Raeliens say that Jesus was here to teach primitive mankind about spirituality. Prophets are people who communicates with our alien gods etc...
They get into Noah's flood. Adam and Eve and the garden of Eden. It's all very freaky and it all makes a lot of sense. What do you guys think?


1) Jesus didn't teach anything that wasn't already taught in the Old Testament.

2) The Bible teaches that there are 'good' angels (ETs) and 'bad' fallen angels (ETs).


It is much more accurate to call them "extra-dimensional beings'.

The Bible says that in the 'End Times' the fallen angels will perpetuate a DECEPTION upon mankind. You will know the difference between fallen angels who are NOT good, but evil, by what they say about WHO JESUS CHRIST IS. No one who is from God will deny that Jesus Christ is divine, nor will they deny that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. That is written by JOHN THE APOSTLE, the same one who wrote REVELATION. (snip)

The Quran is characterized by a unique phenomenon never found in any human authored book. Every element of the Quran is mathematically composed - the suras, the verses, the words, the number of certain letters, the number of words from the same root, the number and variety of divine names, the unique spelling of certain words, the absence or deliberate alteration of certain letters within certain words, and many other elements of the Quran besides its content. There are two major facets of the Quran's mathematical system: (1) The mathematical literary composition, and (2) The mathematical structure involving the numbers of suras and verses. Because of this comprehensive mathematical coding, the slightest distortion of the Quran's text or physical arrangement is immediately exposed.

SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND IMPOSSIBLE TO IMITATE

For the first time in history we have a scripture with built-in proof of divine authorship - a superhuman mathematical composition.

Any reader of this book can easily verify the Quran's mathematical miracle. The word "God" (Allah) is written in bold capital letters throughout the text. The cumulative frequency of occurrence of the word "God" is noted at the bottom of each page in the left hand corner. The number in the right hand corner is the cumulative total of the numbers for verses containing the word "God." The last page of the text, Page 372, shows that the total occurrence of the word "God" is 2698, or 19x142. The total sum of verse numbers for all verses containing the word "God" is 118123, also a multiple of 19 (118123 = 19x6217).

Nineteen is the common denominator throughout the Quran's mathematical system.

This phenomenon alone suffices as incontrovertible proof that the Quran is God's message to the world. No human being(s) could have kept track of 2698 occurrences of the word "God," and the numbers of verses where they occur. This is especially impossible in view of (1) the age of ignorance during which the Quran was revealed, and (2) the fact that the suras and verses were widely separated in time and place of revelation. The chronological order of revelation was vastly different from the final format (Appendix 23). However, the Quran's mathematical system is not limited to the word "God;" it is extremely vast, extremely intricate, and totally comprehensive.

THE SIMPLE FACTS

Like the Quran itself, the Quran's mathematical coding ranges from the very simple, to the very complex. The Simple Facts are those observations that can be ascertained without using any tools. The complex facts require the assistance of a calculator or a computer. The following facts do not require any tools to be verified, but please remember they all refer to the original Arabic text:

1. The first verse (1:1),known as "Basmalah," consists of 19 letters.
2. The Quran consists of 114 suras, which is ..............19 x 6.
3. The total number of verses in the Quran is 6346, or ....19 x 334. [6234 numbered verses & 112 un-numbered verses (Basmalahs) 6234+112 = 6346] Note that 6+3+4+6 =.......19.
4. The Basmalah occurs 114 times, despite its conspicuous absence from Sura 9 (it occurs twice in Sura 27) & 114= 19x6.
5. From the missing Basmalah of Sura 9 to the extra Basmalah of Sura 27, there are precisely ...............19 suras.
6. It follows that the total of the sura numbers from 9 to 27 (9+10+11+12+...+26+27) is 342, or .............19 x 18.
7. This total (342) also equals the number of words between the two Basmalahs of Sura 27, and 342 = ........19 x 18.
8. The famous first revelation (96:1-5) consists of .......19 words.
9. This 19-worded first revelation consists of 76 letters .19 x 4.
10. Sura 96, first in the chronological sequence, consists of .....................................................19 verses.
11. This first chronological sura is placed atop the last ..19 suras.
12. Sura 96 consists of 304 Arabic letters, and 304 equals .19 x 16.
13. The last revelation (Sura 110) consists of ............19 words.
14. The first verse of the last revelation (110:1) consists of ................19 letters.
15. 14 different Arabic letters, form 14 different sets of "Quranic Initials" (such as A.L.M. of 2:1), and prefix 29 suras. These numbers add up to 14+14+29 = 57 = ......19 x 3.
16. The total of the 29 sura numbers where the Quranic Initials occur is 2+3+7+...+50+68 = 822, and 822+14 (14 sets of initials) equals 836, or ................. 19 x 44.
17. Between the first initialed sura (Sura 2) and the last initialed sura (Sura 68) there are 38 un-initialed suras 19 x 2.
18. Between the first and last initialed sura there are ....19 sets of alternating "initialed" and "un-initialed" suras.
19. The Quran mentions 30 different numbers: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 19, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 99, 100, 200, 300, 1000, 2000, 3000, 5000, 50,000, & 100,000. The sum of these numbers is 162146, which equals 19x8534.

Here is an interesting find...

Earlier I had mentioned how amazed at how the Qu'ran has remained in its pure form and un-changed...

I was following a thread today about how Pure Tone sound vibrations manipulate salt in the physical world into intricut geometric shapes on a 2 dementional serface... [link to www.youtube.com]



(I had investigated this on one of my previous threads.)

...and I followed a link on that thread to a Dr. Hans Jenny who wrote the book:

-The Structure and Dynamics of Waves and Vibrations-

Jenny made use of crystal oscillators and an invention of his own by the name of the tonoscope. The advantage with the crystal oscillators inside the tonoscope is that one can determine exactly which frequency and amplitude/volume one wants.

The tonoscope was constructed to make the human voice visible without any electronic apparatus as an intermediate link. This yielded the amazing possibility of being able to see the physical image of the vowel, tone or song a human being produced directly.

Jenny called this new area of research cymatics, which comes from the Greek kyma, wave. Cymatics could be translated as: the study of how vibrations, in the broad sense, generate and influence patterns, shapes and moving processes.

This is the letter "A" (useing sand as the medium)... [link to www.mysticalsun.com]

..and in it..

...... Jenny noticed that when the vowels of the ancient languages of Hebrew and Sanskrit were pronounced, the sand took the shape of the written symbols for these vowels, while our modern languages, on the other hand, did not generate the same result!



How is this possible? Did the ancient Hebrews and Indians know this? Is there something to the concept of "sacred language," which both of these are sometimes called? What qualities do these "sacred languages," among which Tibetan, Egyptian and Chinese are often numbered, possess? Do they have the power to influence and transform physical reality, to create things through their inherent power, or, to take a concrete example, through the recitation or singing of sacred texts, to heal a person who has gone "out of tune"?


Just a Thought,

Ishtahota

Ishta
have you ever heard of the koran and its secret numbers code? A proven fact that the West has tried to hide. It is not like bible code. at this stage it is just numbers adding up to a very out of this world and ming bogling senario.
Every letter in the Koran has its right place. One simple change will destroy the whole code. If you study this you will see that it is impossible for this to have been written by humans. Its code was only discovered after the invention of computers. There is no doubt in my mind that this book was written or at least was given by some very very higher intelligence. It is simply not possible to write a book with this kind of code in it.
let me know waht you know.

lets start here..

part two..

Just a few cultural observations here.
The scholarly postings from WSU on
the Numerology of the Koran showed the
repetition of the prime number 19.
Our Western Civilization is based on divisible numbers like 12 and 10.
Also the straight line is almost the
mainstay of Western Geometry, at least
in America, where land measurements
use straight lines and right angles, as opposed to Europe and other places
where they follow rivers, mountains &
other natural land features.
That shows Western determination to
assert his domination over nature.
Eastern civilization, mainly Taoism, goes with the flow, not imposing any
doctrinal expectations of the outcome.
Islam is somewhere inbetween the two
with "Inshallah", "If Allah wills it",
as a fatalistic form of Acceptance of
whatever happens, but follows doctrine,
as Islam puts an intelligent God every-
where, while the Tao is an im-personal
Force that no one can claim to own.

Going back to Geometry: The Arabic
alphabet script is curved, wavy lines,
almost scribbles, when compared to the
straight lines of Greek and Roman based
alphabets. This gives me impressions
that Western culture is rational, while
Islamic culture is irrational, subject
to the whims of a superior Force they
call "Allah",who may not have mankind's
best interests at heart.
What I mean by that is perhaps the
Place on the Inner Worlds, from which
the Koran emanates, is home to a race
of non-humanoid beings whose culture is
actually based on numbers like 19.

In other words, the fountainheads of
each civilization are different and as
opposed to each other as can be. Just
like East Asian (Chinese) languages are
so completely unlike Western languages
that learning them takes very different
thought processes.

My belief is that "gods" of each of
the competing world cultures are really
groups of Beings in the Spirit Worlds,
committees, cabals, brotherhoods, that
put forth a single Name as a front, as
Jehovah/Jove/Zeus, as the leader of the
West, and Allah an emergent opposition
of the Non-Western races of the world.

Someone correct me on this, but the
Arabic script and even civilization,
seemed to have burst out of Arabia at
about the same time, with few if any
antecedents. Like it was an invader from another world altogether.

It came out of left field, with no
warning to the Persians and Byantines
battling each other in the 600s A.D.
It conquered them both, better meeting
the human needs of the people of the
Middle East than the others did.

In summary, all things must have
their opposites, and the Annunaki,
having conquered the Western World by
means of Alexander the Great and the
Romans, created a need for an opposing
Force, which emerged as Islam.

If the Qu'ran is in its perfect and pure form and has the pure math ingrained into its matrix...

...and the language in its original form is found in natural, pure sound, vibrations...

...seemes to me that there is a connection in the origin of the Qu'ran, Sound, and Math in their pure form..?!