The "BIBLE" is full of alien influence..With 2+ billion folks following the Islam religion..How much of the Quran is influenced by aliens??

I think the bible is simply extracted from superstitions ingrained from when we became homo-habilis.

There aren't 2+ Billion Islamists Ishtahota.

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Thanks for the reply Kreeper but as I look at the 'Chart' provided:

Christianity, 33%, 2.1billion...

...Including everything from Jehovah's Witnesses too Quakers (two very contrasting religions!)

Islam, 21%, 1.3 billion...

...Includes only Shiite and Sunni.

What about the Nation of Islam or "Black Muslims"

My point is (and the reason for the thread) There is a Huge following (nevermind semantics) with Islam...

...what type of alien influence does it have ingrained into the Koran?

I thought I had seen where Luis Farrakan spoke of a "mothership"...

...any info any-1?

Just a Thought,

Ishtahota

Thanks for the reply, Shadow.

IMHO homo-habilis was about 2+ million years ago. It may be a little early.

IMHO After our ancestors dna was manipulated 10's of thousands of years ago and we split from the cro-magnan (sp), we started to question our existance (at least this time arround)...enter summerians and the first written language and the first chance to express thoughts in ANY type of "book"...

Just a thought here...

When did tossing flowers in a grave go from being deodorant to worship?

Ishta
have you ever heard of the koran and its secret numbers code? A proven fact that the West has tried to hide. It is not like bible code. at this stage it is just numbers adding up to a very out of this world and ming bogling senario.
Every letter in the Koran has its right place. One simple change will destroy the whole code. If you study this you will see that it is impossible for this to have been written by humans. Its code was only discovered after the invention of computers. There is no doubt in my mind that this book was written or at least was given by some very very higher intelligence. It is simply not possible to write a book with this kind of code in it.
let me know waht you know.

The Quran is characterized by a unique phenomenon never found in any human authored book. Every element of the Quran is mathematically composed - the suras, the verses, the words, the number of certain letters, the number of words from the same root, the number and variety of divine names, the unique spelling of certain words, the absence or deliberate alteration of certain letters within certain words, and many other elements of the Quran besides its content. There are two major facets of the Quran's mathematical system: (1) The mathematical literary composition, and (2) The mathematical structure involving the numbers of suras and verses. Because of this comprehensive mathematical coding, the slightest distortion of the Quran's text or physical arrangement is immediately exposed.

SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND IMPOSSIBLE TO IMITATE

For the first time in history we have a scripture with built-in proof of divine authorship - a superhuman mathematical composition.

Any reader of this book can easily verify the Quran's mathematical miracle. The word "God" (Allah) is written in bold capital letters throughout the text. The cumulative frequency of occurrence of the word "God" is noted at the bottom of each page in the left hand corner. The number in the right hand corner is the cumulative total of the numbers for verses containing the word "God." The last page of the text, Page 372, shows that the total occurrence of the word "God" is 2698, or 19x142. The total sum of verse numbers for all verses containing the word "God" is 118123, also a multiple of 19 (118123 = 19x6217).

Nineteen is the common denominator throughout the Quran's mathematical system.

This phenomenon alone suffices as incontrovertible proof that the Quran is God's message to the world. No human being(s) could have kept track of 2698 occurrences of the word "God," and the numbers of verses where they occur. This is especially impossible in view of (1) the age of ignorance during which the Quran was revealed, and (2) the fact that the suras and verses were widely separated in time and place of revelation. The chronological order of revelation was vastly different from the final format (Appendix 23). However, the Quran's mathematical system is not limited to the word "God;" it is extremely vast, extremely intricate, and totally comprehensive.

THE SIMPLE FACTS

Like the Quran itself, the Quran's mathematical coding ranges from the very simple, to the very complex. The Simple Facts are those observations that can be ascertained without using any tools. The complex facts require the assistance of a calculator or a computer. The following facts do not require any tools to be verified, but please remember they all refer to the original Arabic text:

1. The first verse (1:1),known as "Basmalah," consists of 19 letters.
2. The Quran consists of 114 suras, which is ..............19 x 6.
3. The total number of verses in the Quran is 6346, or ....19 x 334. [6234 numbered verses & 112 un-numbered verses (Basmalahs) 6234+112 = 6346] Note that 6+3+4+6 =.......19.
4. The Basmalah occurs 114 times, despite its conspicuous absence from Sura 9 (it occurs twice in Sura 27) & 114= 19x6.
5. From the missing Basmalah of Sura 9 to the extra Basmalah of Sura 27, there are precisely ...............19 suras.
6. It follows that the total of the sura numbers from 9 to 27 (9+10+11+12+...+26+27) is 342, or .............19 x 18.
7. This total (342) also equals the number of words between the two Basmalahs of Sura 27, and 342 = ........19 x 18.
8. The famous first revelation (96:1-5) consists of .......19 words.
9. This 19-worded first revelation consists of 76 letters .19 x 4.
10. Sura 96, first in the chronological sequence, consists of .....................................................19 verses.
11. This first chronological sura is placed atop the last ..19 suras.
12. Sura 96 consists of 304 Arabic letters, and 304 equals .19 x 16.
13. The last revelation (Sura 110) consists of ............19 words.
14. The first verse of the last revelation (110:1) consists of ................19 letters.
15. 14 different Arabic letters, form 14 different sets of "Quranic Initials" (such as A.L.M. of 2:1), and prefix 29 suras. These numbers add up to 14+14+29 = 57 = ......19 x 3.
16. The total of the 29 sura numbers where the Quranic Initials occur is 2+3+7+...+50+68 = 822, and 822+14 (14 sets of initials) equals 836, or ................. 19 x 44.
17. Between the first initialed sura (Sura 2) and the last initialed sura (Sura 68) there are 38 un-initialed suras 19 x 2.
18. Between the first and last initialed sura there are ....19 sets of alternating "initialed" and "un-initialed" suras.
19. The Quran mentions 30 different numbers: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 19, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 99, 100, 200, 300, 1000, 2000, 3000, 5000, 50,000, & 100,000. The sum of these numbers is 162146, which equals 19x8534.

the above is only a small sample of what is in Koran. Scientists believe that as time goes by, scentific facts will be discovered with in the book. THere is no doubt that the words in the book was inspired by a very very intelligent force.

Perhaps, but don't all superstitions/legends have a basis in fact? The bible mentions a race of giants who bred with human women to create the Nephalim. It does not say that the mothers survived the delivery (most likely the mothers lived long enough for the fetus to survive outside the womb, then it either made it's own way out or was delivered by crude C-section). Many ancient cultures mention visitors who came from the sky, and these "visitors" seem to be wearing spacesuits from the drawings that were left by these cultures. Who knows, they may show up again to use Earth as an intergalactic truck stop!!

122539, that's an amazing post, thank you!! It leads to all sorts of speculations...

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Ishta, googled for a bit more info on homo habilis, my cousin was with Dr.Leakey in Africa, I should email him and get his views on religious connotations of their discovery.

"a race of giants who bred with human women"

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three main religions… all basically opposed to each other.

The 'Qur'an' appeared last and if you think that this is the only text steeped in occult numbers you don't know even the smallest of the smallest.

I'd like to (know even the smallest of the smallest), is the bible a mathematical composition too? Haven't read any religious texts, so maybe my head won't be steeped in bias. A link would be appreciated...not to occult superstitions, but mathematical equation.

I...think...I'm going to be...

Anonymous Coward 122539..

WOW and thanks, soo...

Has the Quran been changed over the years? or is the implamentation of this indepth numbered sequencing put there to deter this?

Excellent info!


Shadow, I will do more research

no one is claiming that Koran is the only book. but in this case it has come to light with proof positive. This does not mean that we should all rush and become Muslims so do not panick. It is just that we now know that this book came not of human but from a much higher realm. You do not need to listen to others to prove these facts about Koran, all you have to do is sit for a while and calculate it all by yourself. Of course you need a computer for more complicated ones. Notice also that if a single letter in Koran was added or taken away it would destroy the code. This means that the Koran has not been tampered with at all. Also know that the Koran's revelation were given over a period of years in sections and for reasons that are apparent now, the prophet mohammad asked people specifically to put them in certain order and not the order it was revealed. Amazing.

THE QURANIC INITIAL "Q" (Qaaf)

The computer data showed that the text of the only Q-initialed suras, 42 and 50, contained the same number of Q's, 57 and 57. That was the first hint that a deliberate mathematical system might exist in the Quran.

Sura 50 is entitled "Q," prefixed with "Q," and the first verse reads, "Q, and the glorious Quran." This indicated that "Q" stands for "Quran," and the total number of Q's in the two Q-initialed suras represents the Quran's 114 suras (57+57 = 114 = 19x6). This idea was strengthened by the fact that "the Quran" occurs in the Quran 57 times.

The Quran is described in Sura "Q" as "Majid" (glorious), and the Arabic word "Majid" has a gematrical value of 57: M (40) + J (3) + I (10) + D (4) = 57.

Sura 42 consists of 53 verses, and 42 + 53 = 95 = 19x5.

Sura 50 consists of 45 verses, and 50 + 45 = 95, same total as in Sura 42.

By counting the letter "Q" in every "Verse 19" throughout the Quran, the total count comes to 76, 19x4. Here is a summary of the Q-related data:


1. The frequency of occurrence of "Q" in Sura "Q" (No. 50) is 57, 19x3.
2. The letter "Q" occurs in the other Q-initialed sura (No. 42) exactly the same number of times, 57.
3. The total occurrence of the letter "Q" in the two Q-initialed suras is 114, which equals the number of suras in the Quran.
4. "The Quran" is mentioned in the Quran 57 times.
5. The description of the Quran as "Majid" (Glorious) is correlated with the frequency of occurrence of the letter "Q" in each of the Q-initialed suras. The word "Majid" has a gematrical value of 57.
6. Sura 42 consists of 53 verses, and 42 + 53 is 95, or 19x5. 8.
7. Sura 50 consists of 45 verses, and 50 + 45 is also 95, 19x5.
8. The number of Q's in all verses numbered "19" throughout the Quran is 76, 19x4.

Glimpses of the Quran's mathematical composition began to emerge. For example, it was observed that the people who disbelieved in Lot are mentioned in 50:13 and occur in the Quran 13 times - 7:80; 11:70, 74, 89; 21:74; 22:43; 26:160; 27:54, 56; 29:28; 38:13; 50:13; and 54:33. Consistently, they are referred to as "Qawm," with the single exception of the Q-initialed Sura 50 where they are referred to as "Ikhwaan." Obviously, if the regular, Q-containing word "Qawm" were used, the count of the letter "Q" in Sura 50 would have become 58, and this whole phenomenon would have disappeared. With the recognized absolute accuracy of mathematics, the alteration of a single letter destroys the system.

Another relevant example is the reference to Mecca in 3:96 as "Becca"! This strange spelling of the renowned city has puzzled Islamic scholars for many centuries. Although Mecca is mentioned in the Quran properly spelled in 48:24, the letter "M" is substituted with a "B" in 3:96. It turns out that Sura 3 is an M-initialed sura, and the count of the letter "M" would have deviated from the Quran's code if "Mecca" was spelled correctly in 3:96.

122539 it makes me think of crop circles, they're based on simple to complicated mathematical equations according to one analyst I stumbled on. I wonder if maybe there wasn't a (far) more advanced society here before us prior to homo habilis.

One good read is "The Atlantis Enigma' by Herbie Brennan, an amazing!! book.

this is amazing

The Quran's dominant message is
that there is only "One God." The word
"One," in Arabic "Wahed" occurs in
the Quran 25 times. Six of these
occurrences refer to other than God
(one kind of food, one door, etc.).
The other 19 occurrences refer to God.
These data are found in the classic
reference INDEX TO THE WORDS
OF QURAN.

The crucial importance of the word
"ONE" as the Quran's basic message
is manifested in the fact that the Quran's
common denominator, 19, happens to
be the gematrical value of the
word "ONE."

122539 "(snip)Notice also that if a single letter in Koran was added or taken away it would destroy the code. This means that the Koran has not been tampered with at all."

This answers my above question, thanks.

I find this amazing!

The meteorite at Mecca comes to mind.

shadow
i agree totally. There is much more to this earth than we are led to believe. It is not so much religion but the science behind the religion. the signs are everywhere only if we looked. I am not a Muslim but i look at the Koran in an unbiased view and firmly believe in its conents. This does not mean that i approve of what the fanatics are doing or for me to become a muslim. It just means that my faith has grown stronger knowing that there is truly a higher realm that is trying to teach and communicate with us. including the crop circles. I have no doubt that the bible or torah also has these codes imbeded except that they have been tampered with over the years. so at this moment the Koran proves of higher realm but let me stress again it does not mean that Islam is the only religion of truth. It is one of many.

All of the Quran. It was recited to Muhamed by the 'angel' Gabriel (aka Jibril)

Ezekial does have some extremely strange parts..

I believe so too, I just don't trust the modern interpretations of religion. It's bastardised.

now lets look at it this way. I wonder who this so called angle was. A higher being? Instead of religion why not try to look at this in a scientific way for a change. Here we have Mohammad who is the only one in that time spent his time in meditation. Perhaps he was able to tune his mind to recieve energies from higher beings.
Lets look at Mary and what happened to her in this scientific way. An angle appeared to her and then she became pregnant with a child. This child did not have a human father. Well what if the egg was actually implanted in Mary (we know this to be possible today as it is done on a regulat basis). We also know that humans when they are born will carry the aspects of mother and father. Well... if the egg was planted in Mary then the child born will not carry anything from mother or father. A pure child without the so called Karmic effect of parents.

"The science of religion" nice.

We know that when math is involved there is a unique and wounderful rightness that comes with it ie the music of Mozart, Bach, Beethoven, all are mathmaticly perfect. Even some Savants can be placed in a mathmaticly perfect catagory.

RE: cropcircles, true, some of the indepth fractuals of math used in the creation of some of the more complicated CS are beyond amazing.

Good Posts!

A fertilized egg will not, you're right. And it begs the question, who were the donors (in a scientific, not superstitious way)?

on this note i like to tell you this. I travelled to Thailand some time ago and spent some time in the jungle with monks for meditation. Some of the temples had very long poles inbedded in the ground. Iwas told that this works just like acupuncture. the poles provoke the energies around the land that the temple is built on. then it accured to me that many temples, mosques and churched have certain energies that have healing powers. I concluded that infact it was not the religion that was creating the power but it was the science hidden behind every religion (which is exactly the same) that is giving these powers. In those days the knowledgable people knew where the energies in the land was located and then they built their Mosques, temples and churches on that land. So you see, it is the same science but of different religions. To me that was an amazing revelation and it only made my faith stronger. since then i have had nothing but respect for all religions. Of course i am talking about the real religion and not what we see today as Christianity, islam or otherwise. What people are doing today all over the world has nothing to do with religion. it is a made up thing for their own agenda.

agreed totally. if for a moment we were to put the biased fanatical mind aside and look at this in a totally scientific way, many many relvelations come to light. unfortunatly we are forbidden to think this way. we will be called trators to think this way.
As you know today it is possible to just use an empty shell of a human egg. this meand nothing from the mother. she would just be a host carrier. in this egg fertilisation may accure using a different mother and father. Now if the higher beings used Mary as a host then does it not stand to reason that what mary carried was a star child whoes parents were from a much higher realm. Hence the notion of Son of God.