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We are in a Long Term Deflationary Bear Market-You Have Been Warned!

 
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09/01/2015 05:15 PM
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OP....do you use that IG trading platform?
If so, on a smartphone or desktop/laptop?
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


I do not. I work with funds who invest in real estate...that is my game. I have a trading account for grains and use
TDA for stocks...small time though. Investment real estate throughout the US is my game.
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09/01/2015 05:18 PM
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-10% now!!!
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Dang!!! manhole5
 Quoting: WhiteAngel


-10.10% now!!!
 Quoting: OXI Luisport


is that bad?, could it mean job losses?. In fact the losses over the last week or so on the stockmarket could we start to see layoffs soon?
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09/01/2015 05:18 PM
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-10% now!!!
 Quoting: OXI Luisport


Dang!!! manhole5
 Quoting: WhiteAngel


-10.10% now!!!
 Quoting: OXI Luisport


-10.18%
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09/01/2015 05:19 PM
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Re: We are in a Long Term Deflationary Bear Market-You Have Been Warned!
Yes, good call a deflationary bear market.

Now, like we asked in 2008 on this very same forum, can the fed engineer another boom/bust cycle or will this one finally kill off the dollar?

popcorn

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53158832


This one kills the dollar. There is no backup plan.
 Quoting: Fire Watch


One that China and allies have orchestrated well.

The next phase of their plans will probably make you shit your pants, if it doesn't kill you first.

That said, with a little luck, a slight change in destiny will force them to expose it all prematurely...

Either way, it doesn't end well, and could be worse if not accomplished before the 21st.

Suggest heavy drinking, and elaborate entertainment between now and then, followed by a day or two of repentance, deep reflection and soul preparation.

Good luck, see you on the other side of this, or maybe just on the other side.

Cheers.
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09/01/2015 05:20 PM
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So when do we short the DOW?
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09/01/2015 05:21 PM
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Re: We are in a Long Term Deflationary Bear Market-You Have Been Warned!
-10% now!!!
 Quoting: OXI Luisport


Dang!!! manhole5
 Quoting: WhiteAngel


-10.10% now!!!
 Quoting: OXI Luisport


is that bad?, could it mean job losses?. In fact the losses over the last week or so on the stockmarket could we start to see layoffs soon?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70062648


yes they already started
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09/01/2015 05:22 PM
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Dang!!! manhole5
 Quoting: WhiteAngel


-10.10% now!!!
 Quoting: OXI Luisport


is that bad?, could it mean job losses?. In fact the losses over the last week or so on the stockmarket could we start to see layoffs soon?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70062648


yes they already started
 Quoting: OXI Luisport


where?, the UK is a late catcher
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09/01/2015 05:22 PM
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It's bad that one day financial sites are saying "Today was the worst x in x years" then a couple days later "Today was the best x in x years"

Makes me think of the famous opening line:

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to heaven, we were all going direct the other way - in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only.
Freedom costs a buck'o five
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09/01/2015 05:23 PM
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Re: We are in a Long Term Deflationary Bear Market-You Have Been Warned!
Yes, good call a deflationary bear market.

Now, like we asked in 2008 on this very same forum, can the fed engineer another boom/bust cycle or will this one finally kill off the dollar?

popcorn

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53158832


This one kills the dollar. There is no backup plan.
 Quoting: Fire Watch


One that China and allies have orchestrated well.

The next phase of their plans will probably make you shit your pants, if it doesn't kill you first.

That said, with a little luck, a slight change in destiny will force them to expose it all prematurely...

Either way, it doesn't end well, and could be worse if not accomplished before the 21st.

Suggest heavy drinking, and elaborate entertainment between now and then, followed by a day or two of repentance, deep reflection and soul preparation.

Good luck, see you on the other side of this, or maybe just on the other side.

Cheers.
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Having a tall Balvenie on the rocks as we speak. I happen to agree with you...we will be fortunate to come through this without serious pain.
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09/01/2015 05:25 PM
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So when do we short the DOW?
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The smart money is on the sidelines...even the big guys.
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09/01/2015 05:26 PM
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Re: We are in a Long Term Deflationary Bear Market-You Have Been Warned!
 Quoting: Fire Watch


OP....do you use that IG trading platform?
If so, on a smartphone or desktop/laptop?
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


I do not. I work with funds who invest in real estate...that is my game. I have a trading account for grains and use
TDA for stocks...small time though. Investment real estate throughout the US is my game.
 Quoting: Fire Watch


ahhh I see. OK...thanks.
I'm looking for an something that works well, and has a nice efficient modern software interface, on a Blackberry Passport.
The eSignal / Quotrek software offered for it looks like it was designed in 1998. crazy

Thanks again.
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09/01/2015 05:26 PM

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OP....do you use that IG trading platform?
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 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


Oops misunderstood stood question....

Last Edited by WhiteAngel on 09/01/2015 05:28 PM
Isaiah 5:20 KJV
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Thread: Being Prepared - Updated Basic Food List On Page One
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09/01/2015 05:27 PM

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Dang!!! manhole5
 Quoting: WhiteAngel


-10.10% now!!!
 Quoting: OXI Luisport


is that bad?, could it mean job losses?. In fact the losses over the last week or so on the stockmarket could we start to see layoffs soon?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70062648


yes they already started
 Quoting: OXI Luisport


:hidetomato: :hidetomato:
Isaiah 5:20 KJV
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Thread: Being Prepared - Updated Basic Food List On Page One
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09/01/2015 05:30 PM
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Re: We are in a Long Term Deflationary Bear Market-You Have Been Warned!
Yes, good call a deflationary bear market.

Now, like we asked in 2008 on this very same forum, can the fed engineer another boom/bust cycle or will this one finally kill off the dollar?

popcorn

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53158832


This one kills the dollar. There is no backup plan.
 Quoting: Fire Watch


rockonrockonrockon THIS ^^^^^

I'm gonna bet "they" will manage to keep it propped up for now, but, ultimately, no resurrection. We are in for a massive power shift.
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09/01/2015 05:31 PM
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Re: We are in a Long Term Deflationary Bear Market-You Have Been Warned!
Yes, good call a deflationary bear market.

Now, like we asked in 2008 on this very same forum, can the fed engineer another boom/bust cycle or will this one finally kill off the dollar?

popcorn

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53158832


This one kills the dollar. There is no backup plan.
 Quoting: Fire Watch


One that China and allies have orchestrated well.

The next phase of their plans will probably make you shit your pants, if it doesn't kill you first.

That said, with a little luck, a slight change in destiny will force them to expose it all prematurely...

Either way, it doesn't end well, and could be worse if not accomplished before the 21st.

Suggest heavy drinking, and elaborate entertainment between now and then, followed by a day or two of repentance, deep reflection and soul preparation.

Good luck, see you on the other side of this, or maybe just on the other side.

Cheers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49403676


Having a tall Balvenie on the rocks as we speak. I happen to agree with you...we will be fortunate to come through this without serious pain.
 Quoting: Fire Watch


You have no idea what is coming, be thankful for that.

Drink up friend, been fun, but not real fun...

We bought ourselves a few years, grand while it lasted, but destiny is a Bitch that can't be avoided for much longer.

Cheers, again.
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09/01/2015 05:36 PM
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Re: We are in a Long Term Deflationary Bear Market-You Have Been Warned!
I will go on record here.

Long term (2+ years) projection:


Best case scenario - S&P 1,400


Most likely Scenario - S&P 900


Worst case scenario - S&P 600
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09/01/2015 05:36 PM
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Re: We are in a Long Term Deflationary Bear Market-You Have Been Warned!
-10% now!!!
 Quoting: OXI Luisport


Dang!!! manhole5
 Quoting: WhiteAngel


-10.10% now!!!
 Quoting: OXI Luisport


-10.18%
 Quoting: OXI Luisport


-10.20% closed
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09/01/2015 05:39 PM
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Here we go again!

[link to www.ig.com]
 Quoting: Fire Watch


Oh crap, even orange juice is carshing
No mimosa tonight
It's a beer market
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69732513


and tomatoes IN
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09/01/2015 05:40 PM
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Re: We are in a Long Term Deflationary Bear Market-You Have Been Warned!
I will go on record here.

Long term (2+ years) projection:


Best case scenario - S&P 1,400


Most likely Scenario - S&P 900


Worst case scenario - S&P 600
 Quoting: Fire Watch


And the Fed is still talking about raising, right? LOL

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
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09/01/2015 05:41 PM
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Re: We are in a Long Term Deflationary Bear Market-You Have Been Warned!
Yes, good call a deflationary bear market.

Now, like we asked in 2008 on this very same forum, can the fed engineer another boom/bust cycle or will this one finally kill off the dollar?

popcorn

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53158832


This one kills the dollar. There is no backup plan.
 Quoting: Fire Watch


and what happens after massive deflation?


HYPER INFLATION!5a
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Dang!!! manhole5
 Quoting: WhiteAngel


-10.10% now!!!
 Quoting: OXI Luisport


-10.18%
 Quoting: OXI Luisport


-10.20% closed
 Quoting: OXI Luisport


weirdshit2
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09/01/2015 05:43 PM
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Re: We are in a Long Term Deflationary Bear Market-You Have Been Warned!
Here we go again!

[link to www.ig.com]
 Quoting: Fire Watch


Oh crap, even orange juice is carshing
No mimosa tonight
It's a beer market
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69732513


and tomatoes IN
 Quoting: noneya999


Leave them out, as an act of mercy, saved from prolonged agony and suffering inside, assuming tomatoes are sentient.

:P
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09/01/2015 05:47 PM
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Re: We are in a Long Term Deflationary Bear Market-You Have Been Warned!
I will go on record here.

Long term (2+ years) projection:


Best case scenario - S&P 1,400


Most likely Scenario - S&P 900


Worst case scenario - S&P 600
 Quoting: Fire Watch


No fire. It'll be longer. At least five years from I've discussed with fellow investors. I just want to take a sigh of relief I got out last month. Maybe it's time for a long vacation. Beaches, booze and the sun.
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Re: We are in a Long Term Deflationary Bear Market-You Have Been Warned!
Yes, good call a deflationary bear market.

Now, like we asked in 2008 on this very same forum, can the fed engineer another boom/bust cycle or will this one finally kill off the dollar?

popcorn

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53158832


This one kills the dollar. There is no backup plan.
 Quoting: Fire Watch


and what happens after massive deflation?


HYPER INFLATION!5a
 Quoting: noneya999


Let's wait on that call, they need to make some MAJOR policy changes first. Primarily IF the dollar is dumped as a reserve currency then our total debt will become untenable. At that point I believe treasury will begin issuing state currency, interest free currency or greenbacks to meet entitlement payouts, interest on the debt and perhaps operational expenses.

Then, over a decade or so they will liquidate debt in FRNs and begin printing exponentially that will in effect blow out the dollar's value, i.e. hyperinflation.

Of course when the dollar is dumped from world markets all those dollars will come back to US banks, and that could cause a brief stint of hyperinflation, perhaps 50% in 2-3 years. But I still think the final death knoll of our currency won't happen for at least another 10 years.

$0.02

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09/01/2015 05:49 PM
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Re: We are in a Long Term Deflationary Bear Market-You Have Been Warned!
I will go on record here.

Long term (2+ years) projection:


Best case scenario - S&P 1,400


Most likely Scenario - S&P 900


Worst case scenario - S&P 600
 Quoting: Fire Watch


No fire. It'll be longer. At least five years from I've discussed with fellow investors. I just want to take a sigh of relief I got out last month. Maybe it's time for a long vacation. Beaches, booze and the sun.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68732327


2+ years...5 years is certainly possible. People need to understand that we will not wake up tomorrow with a crash and this will be over. This is a LONG term scenario...
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Dang!!! manhole5
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-10.10% now!!!
 Quoting: OXI Luisport


-10.18%
 Quoting: OXI Luisport


-10.20% closed
 Quoting: OXI Luisport


Holy Cow Batman!!!
Isaiah 5:20 KJV
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Thread: Being Prepared - Updated Basic Food List On Page One
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09/01/2015 05:51 PM
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Just to keep us busy until tomorrow's opening:

An easy-to-read, succinct Timeline of Events Leading Up to the Great Crash of '29

The parallels are fascinating! ----->

[link to www.huppi.com]

We joke about doom here, but in all seriousness, I wish us all well; may everyone stay healthy & strong to weather the coming sh*tstorm. hf hiding

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09/01/2015 05:54 PM

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Here we go again!

[link to www.ig.com]
 Quoting: Fire Watch


Oh crap, even orange juice is carshing
No mimosa tonight
It's a beer market
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69732513


and tomatoes IN
 Quoting: noneya999


Here is the new smilie for that :hidetomato:
Isaiah 5:20 KJV
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Thread: Being Prepared - Updated Basic Food List On Page One
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09/01/2015 05:55 PM
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Re: We are in a Long Term Deflationary Bear Market-You Have Been Warned!
Yes, good call a deflationary bear market.

Now, like we asked in 2008 on this very same forum, can the fed engineer another boom/bust cycle or will this one finally kill off the dollar?

popcorn

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53158832


This one kills the dollar. There is no backup plan.
 Quoting: Fire Watch


and what happens after massive deflation?


HYPER INFLATION!5a
 Quoting: noneya999


Let's wait on that call, they need to make some MAJOR policy changes first. Primarily IF the dollar is dumped as a reserve currency then our total debt will become untenable. At that point I believe treasury will begin issuing state currency, interest free currency or greenbacks to meet entitlement payouts, interest on the debt and perhaps operational expenses.

Then, over a decade or so they will liquidate debt in FRNs and begin printing exponentially that will in effect blow out the dollar's value, i.e. hyperinflation.

Of course when the dollar is dumped from world markets all those dollars will come back to US banks, and that could cause a brief stint of hyperinflation, perhaps 50% in 2-3 years. But I still think the final death knoll of our currency won't happen for at least another 10 years.

$0.02

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53158832


Come on. You've been here for how long ? Its the triggering of the counter party insurance/re insurance that will usher in Hyperinflation. A decade for hyperinflation ? It will be overnight. At over a 100 to 1 leverage, you have to print 99 dollars to cover one dollar in debt default, if that asset price deflates. As the asset price deflates the leverage ratio goes up.
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09/01/2015 05:57 PM
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Re: We are in a Long Term Deflationary Bear Market-You Have Been Warned!
I will go on record here.

Long term (2+ years) projection:


Best case scenario - S&P 1,400


Most likely Scenario - S&P 900


Worst case scenario - S&P 600
 Quoting: Fire Watch


No fire. It'll be longer. At least five years from I've discussed with fellow investors. I just want to take a sigh of relief I got out last month. Maybe it's time for a long vacation. Beaches, booze and the sun.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68732327


Enjoy my friend cheers





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