The Mind Hackers often call themselves "Watchers".

Thank you Seer :)
It's okay, merely being opinionated is enough qualification to attract negative attention.
Nonetheless, it is nice to hear supportive words every so often...

In a clinical sense when does being supportive become enabling?

When you see it blatantly hurting other people. And choose to ignore it.

They say you do it to yourself...

So?

When does badgering become trolling, in the clinical sense? IDK.
I think I am pretty tolerant of criticism.

"they"?

Caylus is no shrinking violet. She thrives on competition. Do you real think you are being useful when you go out of your way to mute your honest criticism? Are you afraid of losing her?

When you are no longer able win an argument?

What are you taking so personally?

I think the message board is relatively informal, compared to certain other mediums. It allows for interchange between personal and abstract modes of thinking and speaking. Though I don't really see what I just said as particularly personal

I was told by multiple people, 'You do it to yourself...'

As time went on, I began to understand the meaning, I initially fought against.

I then watched it manifest in others, who were on a similar path. You can't stop people from themselves. You can only help guide or light the obstacles.


I only mute myself when I feel I must. Or I am at a loss for words. Which also happens quite often.

Seer is very honest when she disagrees with me. A quality that I fully appreciate in her. I don't think you're being fair by accusing her of placating me. If anything, she typically serves to diffuse me.

it wasn't, but it was an aggressive/passive response meant to invoke a compliance gaming result.

I was just being clever. Not everything has an agenda behind it. Banter can be fun too with the right participants.

I don't think you understand me.

I don't appraise myself, I find it counter intuitive.

Maybe not.

I certainly feel that though... What am I to think?

appraising oneself leads to an unwarranted need, that never seems to end.

appraising oneself leads to an unwarranted need, that never seems to end.

Well I guess that's one way of looking at it. But I think introspection can be very helpful in learning one's own 'weight' or 'measure'.

'Know Thyself' - you don't think that's wise?

I can hear my own heartbeat...

Think what you like, but be willing to accept what follows as a result. If you are unable to do that, then lie to yourself.

people do that anyway without realizing it...we seriously hate to be inconsistent, so we revise our self concept until we are consistent again. cognitive dissonance. best to just feel out the dissonance honestly. that's one dimension of knowing thyself...

Not to the point where you begin to overthink everything and then begin telling yourself how clever you are.

I don't believe things can be overthought. Either the argument is consistent and effective or it is inconsistent and ineffectual. Logic holds up or falls to pieces under scrutiny. A given concept can be understood from many different angles, frames of reference, or perspectives. Deep understanding entails the ability to mentally foil a variety of possibility. "overthinking" something would, in my eyes, be pathological or unhealthy only when it ceased to bear good fruit, ie when it began producing faulty or shorn arguments and understandings.

otherwise, we are imposing on the subjective realm of what does or does not constitute what the greeks called "The Good"/"The Good Life".

Then what? You begin to

yeah, cognitive dissonance IS this opposite of knowing thyself.



Yeah, I am immature in certain respects, I may be emotionally imbalanced, but I don't think I am unaware of my own shortcomings nor unwilling to improve myself. What else can I do?

Certainly things can be overthought, it is a form of intellectualism that is inefficacious.

Gumi & Mayu - Indulging: Idol Syndrome
(not searching for this stuff....it's just coming up )


thats an idol/an image of the past/constantly talked about
dancing even now/greedily/people scorn me/drowning in my/repeated sins

Yes, but in that case you would point out where they are illogical or fall short, no? If you are incapable of criticizing something except for on the basis that you consider it 'overthought' that does not strike me as a basis for criticism by itself.

Good question, how did you stop cutting yourself?

I always accept 'what comes next'. One has no choice in the matter. Take it as it comes.

Even if it takes me a few days to get over.