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What were dreams like before TV and the internet?

 
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What were dreams like before TV and the internet?
Say I dreamed a volcano exploded....

This would be possible because I have seen it on tv and the internet. My mind has a picture and an idea to work with.

Suppose you have never actually seen a volcano, like before media, a few hundred years ago. Would a dream like that be considered prophetic, then?

So now, back to our day and age, if a prophetic type dream actually occurred, how would one know, since our minds have stored so many pictures and variables from the media sources... that anything is possible in our dreams?

Were dreams in the dark ages about meeting a cute farmer, and having a good crop?

We are bombarded by so many images and mind clutter now, that sleep/dreaming is sometimes not restful.

Any thoughts?

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Haha, good question!
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Say I dreamed a volcano exploded....

This would be possible because I have seen it on tv and the internet. My mind has a picture and an idea to work with.

Suppose you have never actually seen a volcano, like before media, a few hundred years ago. Would a dream like that be considered prophetic, then?

So now, back to our day and age, if a prophetic type dream actually occurred, how would one know, since our minds have stored so many pictures and variables from the media sources... that anything is possible in our dreams?

Were dreams in the dark ages about meeting a cute farmer, and having a good crop?

We are bombarded by so many images and mind clutter now, that sleep/dreaming is sometimes not restful.

Any thoughts?
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You need to go to a nursing home and ask someone old enough to remember what it was like before tv was invented.

I don't think anyone on here is old enough to answer that question.
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I always wondered if blind people dream.
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I always wondered if blind people dream.
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Or if deaf people dream with sound.
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I always wondered if blind people dream.
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Or if deaf people dream with sound.
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They do if they had sight/ hearing before.

I know because my step dad went blind, and he still dreamed in color.

But I still wonder how many dreams are wasted, or not heeded, because of all of the imagery that we are exposed to now.
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I always wondered if blind people dream.
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Or if deaf people dream with sound.
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I have a Deaf friend who told me she's had dreams where she could "hear" and "speak", although she couldn't really describe it. She just knew she was.

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I always wondered if blind people dream.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66556705


Or if deaf people dream with sound.
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I have a Deaf friend who told me she's had dreams where she could "hear" and "speak", although she couldn't really describe it. She just knew she was.

1dunno1
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Completely deaf from birth, by the way.
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Since discovering Carl jung, and understanding what dreams are, and how to interpret them, I havent had any odd dreams or nightmares.

Because I understand the universe, the archetypes are present in my mind while AWAKE. They dont need to attempt to communicate with me and give me messages in dreams anymore.

My dreams are no longer symbolic, they are mundane. I dream of real life senarios without symbolism. This is the step towarss awakening.


If you still have symbolic dreams, you havent learned how to listen to god and nature yet.



Ive gotten great at psychoanalysis. My friend said something, and I recognized it was a new fear. I told him, "That scenario scares you." He said, "No it doesn't." I said, "Maybe you havent realize it does yet." He was quiet and thought about it. Later he mentioned it does scare him. Because I helped him consciously realize a fear developing in him, he didnt develop a neurosis over it. He consciously dealt with it.
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Since discovering Carl jung, and understanding what dreams are, and how to interpret them, I havent had any odd dreams or nightmares.

Because I understand the universe, the archetypes are present in my mind while AWAKE. They dont need to attempt to communicate with me and give me messages in dreams anymore.

My dreams are no longer symbolic, they are mundane. I dream of real life senarios without symbolism. This is the step towarss awakening.


If you still have symbolic dreams, you havent learned how to listen to god and nature yet.



Ive gotten great at psychoanalysis. My friend said something, and I recognized it was a new fear. I told him, "That scenario scares you." He said, "No it doesn't." I said, "Maybe you havent realize it does yet." He was quiet and thought about it. Later he mentioned it does scare him. Because I helped him consciously realize a fear developing in him, he didnt develop a neurosis over it. He consciously dealt with it.
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Nice input. Any particular book to recommend?
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I always wondered if blind people dream.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66556705


Or if deaf people dream with sound.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66556705


I have a Deaf friend who told me she's had dreams where she could "hear" and "speak", although she couldn't really describe it. She just knew she was.

1dunno1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70282691


Completely deaf from birth, by the way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70282691


Wow. I wonder if it is liberating, or scary to her?
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we are all having more of the same dreams now

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Since discovering Carl jung, and understanding what dreams are, and how to interpret them, I havent had any odd dreams or nightmares.

Because I understand the universe, the archetypes are present in my mind while AWAKE. They dont need to attempt to communicate with me and give me messages in dreams anymore.

My dreams are no longer symbolic, they are mundane. I dream of real life senarios without symbolism. This is the step towarss awakening.


If you still have symbolic dreams, you havent learned how to listen to god and nature yet.



Ive gotten great at psychoanalysis. My friend said something, and I recognized it was a new fear. I told him, "That scenario scares you." He said, "No it doesn't." I said, "Maybe you havent realize it does yet." He was quiet and thought about it. Later he mentioned it does scare him. Because I helped him consciously realize a fear developing in him, he didnt develop a neurosis over it. He consciously dealt with it.
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Nice input. Any particular book to recommend?
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Man and his symbols is a nice short book. Its 150 pages or so but Jung's part is only the first 40pages. It has enormous amounts of insights into human behavior. The rest of the book is some guy's interpretation that you needn't bother reading.

Quotes from it:
"Just as the addition of however many zeros will never make a unit, so the value of a community depends on the spiritual and moral stature of the individuals composing it."

"Belief is no adequate substitute for inner experience."

"Isn't it time that the Christian mythology, instead of being wiped out, was understood symbolically for once?"

"In order to turn individuals into a function of the state his dependence on anything beside the state must be taken from him....If statistical reality is the only reality, then it is the sole authority."

"Person #2 is not just a curiosity. It is proven by the religion of the West (Christianity), which expressly applies itself to this inner man. And for 2,000 years has tried to bring person #2 to the knowledge of our surface consciousness with its preoccupations: "Go not outside; truth dwells in the inner man."

Jung's biography Dreams, Memories, and Reflections is a lot longer, but Jung explains many symbols and how he got to his theory. It's symbolic in itself. He uses a metaphor of the stone for the soul, if you notice throughout the book. It is fascinating because you might notice you have the same perceptions as he does, linking human thought, that you never noticed yourself having.
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Since discovering Carl jung, and understanding what dreams are, and how to interpret them, I havent had any odd dreams or nightmares.

Because I understand the universe, the archetypes are present in my mind while AWAKE. They dont need to attempt to communicate with me and give me messages in dreams anymore.

My dreams are no longer symbolic, they are mundane. I dream of real life senarios without symbolism. This is the step towarss awakening.


If you still have symbolic dreams, you havent learned how to listen to god and nature yet.



Ive gotten great at psychoanalysis. My friend said something, and I recognized it was a new fear. I told him, "That scenario scares you." He said, "No it doesn't." I said, "Maybe you havent realize it does yet." He was quiet and thought about it. Later he mentioned it does scare him. Because I helped him consciously realize a fear developing in him, he didnt develop a neurosis over it. He consciously dealt with it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69873798


Nice input. Any particular book to recommend?
 Quoting: Glass Shield


Man and his symbols is a nice short book. Its 150 pages or so but Jung's part is only the first 40pages. It has enormous amounts of insights into human behavior. The rest of the book is some guy's interpretation that you needn't bother reading.

Quotes from it:
"Just as the addition of however many zeros will never make a unit, so the value of a community depends on the spiritual and moral stature of the individuals composing it."

"Belief is no adequate substitute for inner experience."

"Isn't it time that the Christian mythology, instead of being wiped out, was understood symbolically for once?"

"In order to turn individuals into a function of the state his dependence on anything beside the state must be taken from him....If statistical reality is the only reality, then it is the sole authority."

"Person #2 is not just a curiosity. It is proven by the religion of the West (Christianity), which expressly applies itself to this inner man. And for 2,000 years has tried to bring person #2 to the knowledge of our surface consciousness with its preoccupations: "Go not outside; truth dwells in the inner man."

Jung's biography Dreams, Memories, and Reflections is a lot longer, but Jung explains many symbols and how he got to his theory. It's symbolic in itself. He uses a metaphor of the stone for the soul, if you notice throughout the book. It is fascinating because you might notice you have the same perceptions as he does, linking human thought, that you never noticed yourself having.
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Thank you, I am going to check it out, time for a trip to the bookstore.

Dreams fascinate me, nightmares even more. The data that we collect day to day manifests itself in very interesting ways when we sleep, but sometimes the dreams seem to come from data that is not within. Like my original question, could someone who has never seen or heard of, for instance, a volcano dream about one?
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I always wondered if blind people dream.
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There's an account of woman born blind. She said she still can't see in her dreams.

But she did have near death experience and went out of her body, her sight during this experience she said was then finally crystal clear.
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I always wondered if blind people dream.
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There's an account of woman born blind. She said she still can't see in her dreams.

But she did have near death experience and went out of her body, her sight during this experience she said was then finally crystal clear.
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[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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You My Friend Have Asked A Very Good Question.Now i will be up all night Thinking about It. 5 Stars!

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You My Friend Have Asked A Very Good Question.Now i will be up all night Thinking about It. 5 Stars!

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Thanks! hf
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Re: What were dreams like before TV and the internet?
Say I dreamed a volcano exploded....

This would be possible because I have seen it on tv and the internet. My mind has a picture and an idea to work with.

Suppose you have never actually seen a volcano, like before media, a few hundred years ago. Would a dream like that be considered prophetic, then?

So now, back to our day and age, if a prophetic type dream actually occurred, how would one know, since our minds have stored so many pictures and variables from the media sources... that anything is possible in our dreams?

Were dreams in the dark ages about meeting a cute farmer, and having a good crop?

We are bombarded by so many images and mind clutter now, that sleep/dreaming is sometimes not restful.

Any thoughts?
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You are definitely drinking buddy material. :)

Thank you for this thread. One of the best thought provoking that I have read.
You can't unsee what you just saw.

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Damn good question, OP!
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You can't unsee what you just saw.

Don't take life too seriously, it's not like anyone ever survived it.
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Re: What were dreams like before TV and the internet?
I always wondered if blind people dream.
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There's an account of woman born blind. She said she still can't see in her dreams.

But she did have near death experience and went out of her body, her sight during this experience she said was then finally crystal clear.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70281300


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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Fascinating! Absolutely thought provoking!
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5 Stars and pin suggested
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Thanks! I would send some green if I had some left... Catch ya later hfcheers

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The only real answer to this can only be found by asking those offline lol

Wjat about prophets such as Cayce?
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The only real answer to this can only be found by asking those offline lol

Wjat about prophets such as Cayce?
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Exactly!! What if we all got visions like that, but since we are so full of useless imagery, we do not even know it?
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For a while, a went through a phase where I'd watched videos that featured people on YouTube, sharing their dreams, and how they thought their dreams were (possibly) prophetic.

I noticed the themes in their dreams would tend to spread throughout their circle of fellow YouTube uploaders. They too, would end up having similar dreams along the same lines.

Never knew for sure whether or not one friend simply ended up dreaming a similar dream because they saw the other's video or not... but it was interesting to me how these themes tended to spread.
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Black and white?
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The only real answer to this can only be found by asking those offline lol

Wjat about prophets such as Cayce?
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Exactly!! What if we all got visions like that, but since we are so full of useless imagery, we do not even know it?
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You know I grew up with a very spiritual Grandmother, she was full blood cherokee. I swear she had such an "old wise spirit" about her. She told me that children are very gifted and have the ability we are talking about.

I always thought it was because their mind wasn't cluttered with useless worry. Adults are mind boggled, if that makes sense.
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