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Why doesn't God fully reveal all bible prophesies, are Christians on a 'need to know' basis? | |
| DGN Offer Upgrade  User ID: 70225020  United States09/09/2015 10:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 70215258 United States09/09/2015 10:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But ye, brethren; ye believers, in opposition to the unbelieving world. Are not in darkness; referring back to the night, when the thief comes. By darkness is here meant, not merely ignorance, but moral depravity - the darkness of sin. Ye are not in the ignorant and sinful condition of the unredeemed world, so as to be surprised by the day of the Lord. With you it is not night, but day; the light of the gospel is shining around you; and therefore the day of the Lord's coming will not surprise you in an unprepared state. |
| DGN (OP) User ID: 70225020 United States09/09/2015 10:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But ye, brethren; ye believers, in opposition to the unbelieving world. Are not in darkness; referring back to the night, when the thief comes. By darkness is here meant, not merely ignorance, but moral depravity - the darkness of sin. Ye are not in the ignorant and sinful condition of the unredeemed world, so as to be surprised by the day of the Lord. With you it is not night, but day; the light of the gospel is shining around you; and therefore the day of the Lord's coming will not surprise you in an unprepared state. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70215258 Good quote, here it is in the NWT, a little easier to understand. "Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, YOU need nothing to be written to YOU. 2 For YOU yourselves know quite well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. 3 Whenever it is that they are saying: “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape. 4 But YOU, brothers, YOU are not in darkness, so that that day should overtake YOU as it would thieves, 5 for YOU are all sons of light and sons of day. We belong neither to night nor to darkness." 1Thes5:1 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 26030926 United States09/09/2015 10:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Now learn from the fig tree as an illustration this point: Just as soon as its young branch grows tender and it puts forth leaves, YOU know that summer is near. 33 Likewise also YOU, when YOU see all these things, know that he is near at the doors. 34 Truly I say to YOU that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away. Quoting: DGN 36 “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. 37 For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 38 For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; 39 and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken along and the other be abandoned; 41 two women will be grinding at the hand mill: one will be taken along and the other be abandoned. 42 Keep on the watch, therefore, because YOU do not know on what day YOUR Lord is coming." Mt24:32 lemme ask you a question, when you leave your house everyday do you tell every person you meet your life story, or your bank account numbers, or the secrets of the business you work for..or does divulging any of these things require trust, the building of a relationship? |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 70286122  United Kingdom09/09/2015 11:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Time. Not everyone who will exist can exist on the world at the same time, it's not how reproduction works. Therefore if everyone knew when the End of Days was set for the kast generation would be throwaways. Or summit like that anyway. |
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| Starknight User ID: 70200958  Venezuela09/09/2015 11:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That would be like feeding a 3-day old baby a T-bone steak with jalapeños and beer, I mean, get real. 1 John 1–3._ 1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. @Starknight921 |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 70230581 United States09/09/2015 01:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From Eusebius of Caesarea Against Paganism: The Vague Language of Prophecy: "The formulation of prophecies that truly predict the future is vague. True prophecy cannot be clear. If it were formulated in clear language it could turn out to be false in the future. An ambivalent and vague articulation allows all manner of interpretations and allows for the fulfillment and validation of the prophecy. This explains the significance of the oracle's enigmatic language. Prophecy is formulated in clear and unequivocal language only when it relates to the past, vaticinia ex eventu. Of course, this view was not held by Eusebius despite knowing that Porphyry was of such an opinion, as we have shown. A prophecy relating to the past, such as Daniel's, can also be formulated in vague language because it was intended to appear as true prophecy. This follows from Porphyry's argument, although it is not certain he himself drew this conclusion. According to Eusebius, vagueness was an intrinsic feature of pagan oracles...." |
| DGN (OP) User ID: 70225020 United States09/09/2015 03:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation |  That will probably be the best reply made. |
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| According To The Universe User ID: 45552383 United Kingdom09/09/2015 03:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes go on, and ypur question is?.. Oh I see.. Have you re-read the Genesis?. 6 days we (the spirits) created this world with God who see it good and made it real from void. On the 7th day God rest. One day to the God is 1000 years to us in flesh. We are not that far from 6000 years and judgement is near for the Son of Man shall come with our lost knowledges that had been lost since Atlantis.  |
| DGN (OP) User ID: 70225020 United States09/09/2015 03:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes go on, and ypur question is?.. Quoting: According To The Universe 45552383 Oh I see.. Have you re-read the Genesis?. 6 days we (the spirits) created this world with God who see it good and made it real from void. On the 7th day God rest. One day to the God is 1000 years to us in flesh. We are not that far from 6000 years and judgement is near for the Son of Man shall come with our lost knowledges that had been lost since Atlantis. Actually we're 40 years past 6,000 years. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 45552383 United Kingdom09/09/2015 03:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes go on, and ypur question is?.. Quoting: According To The Universe 45552383 Oh I see.. Have you re-read the Genesis?. 6 days we (the spirits) created this world with God who see it good and made it real from void. On the 7th day God rest. One day to the God is 1000 years to us in flesh. We are not that far from 6000 years and judgement is near for the Son of Man shall come with our lost knowledges that had been lost since Atlantis. Actually we're 40 years past 6,000 years. Actually you are a fibbing little Jehovas Yiddish.  |
| DGN (OP) User ID: 70225020 United States09/09/2015 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | daniel the prophet said that some prophecy will only be known at the time of the end Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56144605 That's a really good answer, here's your backup; "And the ones having insight will shine like the brightness of the expanse; and those who are bringing the many to righteousness, like the stars to time indefinite, even forever. 4 “And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end. Many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge will become abundant.” Da12:3 |
| DGN (OP) User ID: 70225020 United States09/09/2015 05:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | DGN, You seem to have NO concept of what FAITH is. Without Faith it is Impossible to Please God. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27163027 "Nevertheless, a certain one will say: “You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith apart from the works, and I shall show you my faith by my works.” 19 You believe there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder. 20 But do you care to know, O empty man, that faith apart from works is inactive? 21 Was not Abraham our father declared righteous by works after he had offered up Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 You behold that [his] faith worked along with his works and by [his] works [his] faith was perfected, 23 and the scripture was fulfilled which says: “Abraham put faith in Jehovah, and it was counted to him as righteousness,” and he came to be called “Jehovah’s friend.” Ja2;18 |
| Isaiah 43:1-2 User ID: 15469851 United States09/09/2015 06:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From Eusebius of Caesarea Against Paganism: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70230581 The Vague Language of Prophecy: "The formulation of prophecies that truly predict the future is vague. True prophecy cannot be clear. If it were formulated in clear language it could turn out to be false in the future. An ambivalent and vague articulation allows all manner of interpretations and allows for the fulfillment and validation of the prophecy. This explains the significance of the oracle's enigmatic language. Prophecy is formulated in clear and unequivocal language only when it relates to the past, vaticinia ex eventu. Of course, this view was not held by Eusebius despite knowing that Porphyry was of such an opinion, as we have shown. A prophecy relating to the past, such as Daniel's, can also be formulated in vague language because it was intended to appear as true prophecy. This follows from Porphyry's argument, although it is not certain he himself drew this conclusion. According to Eusebius, vagueness was an intrinsic feature of pagan oracles...." Some of the prophecies were too horrible to be revealed to Daniel. He was already upset by what he saw. So the angel told him to close the book until the time of the end. Some prophecies were difficult for the writers to put into words because what they saw included discoveries in the future that they could not understand in their time. For example, the locusts in Revelation, with tails like Scorpions and faces like men, could be helicopters. Also, prophecy was not meant to cause us to be obsessed with the future. Jesus said that He told us these things so that when they happen we would believe that He is the I AM. He left us with enough information that we could see the signs of the times and prepare. To some, it may seem vague. However, to Christians, we hear about many prophetic dreams and visions given to our brothers and sisters in Christ to confirm the signs of the times and reassure us of what is to come. It is the unbelievers who struggle in these days because of their unbelief. follower of Jesus |
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| DGN (OP) User ID: 70225020 United States09/09/2015 07:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In Daniel’s vision of terrible beasts symbolizing world powers of earth, the bear represented the Medo-Persian World Power and its greed for territorial conquest and pillage. (Da 7:5, 17) Rapacious like this, the wild beast out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, is seen in John’s vision to have feet “as those of a bear.” (Re 13:2)  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1081436 United States09/09/2015 08:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | DGN, You seem to have NO concept of what FAITH is. Without Faith it is Impossible to Please God. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27163027 "Nevertheless, a certain one will say: “You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith apart from the works, and I shall show you my faith by my works.” 19 You believe there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder. 20 But do you care to know, O empty man, that faith apart from works is inactive? 21 Was not Abraham our father declared righteous by works after he had offered up Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 You behold that [his] faith worked along with his works and by [his] works [his] faith was perfected, 23 and the scripture was fulfilled which says: “Abraham put faith in Jehovah, and it was counted to him as righteousness,” and he came to be called “Jehovah’s friend.” Ja2;18 Sorry, but I agree with Martin Luther, who said "the book of James is a right strawy epistle" |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 70272217 Canada09/09/2015 09:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 36 “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. 37 For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 38 For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; 39 and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken along and the other be abandoned; 41 two women will be grinding at the hand mill: one will be taken along and the other be abandoned. 42 Keep on the watch, therefore, because YOU do not know on what day YOUR Lord is coming." Mt24:32 Quoting: DGN Has there ever been a documented case of someone just vanishing while they were talking to someone? They should blanked our of existence? It's scary to think about this occurring. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 70272217 Canada09/09/2015 09:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 36 “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. 37 For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 38 For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; 39 and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken along and the other be abandoned; 41 two women will be grinding at the hand mill: one will be taken along and the other be abandoned. 42 Keep on the watch, therefore, because YOU do not know on what day YOUR Lord is coming." Mt24:32 Quoting: DGN Has there ever been a documented case of someone just vanishing while they were talking to someone? They should blanked our of existence? It's scary to think about this occurring. *They just blanked out of our existence. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69252831 United States09/09/2015 09:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | prophesy is not written in stone, but is a warning of what might happen if we do not change our ways. all the profits of the old testament had warnings for the Hebrews as they were a rebellious people.......... |
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| DGN (OP) User ID: 70225020 United States09/09/2015 10:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 36 “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. 37 For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 38 For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; 39 and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken along and the other be abandoned; 41 two women will be grinding at the hand mill: one will be taken along and the other be abandoned. 42 Keep on the watch, therefore, because YOU do not know on what day YOUR Lord is coming." Mt24:32 Quoting: DGN Has there ever been a documented case of someone just vanishing while they were talking to someone? They should blanked our of existence? It's scary to think about this occurring. It means one will be approved and delivered through the tribulation, the other won't be. |
