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aHEMagain^2 User ID: 69515317 United States 09/09/2015 10:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It doesn't strike you how level the surface of the plateau is? It looks like someone scraped the top with something straight-edged. You can even see areas where it looks like shallow areas have been partially filled in. I don't think wind alone would cause that uniformly flat an effect. aHEMagain "And once again, Probability proves itself willing to sneak into a back alley and service Drama as would a copper piece harlot." -- Vaarsuvius, The Order of the Stick [link to tvtropes.org] "History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme" -- Mark Twain "It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.-- William Clifford [link to myweb.lmu.edu] |
Electric Universe User ID: 69740196 United States 09/09/2015 10:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It doesn't strike you how level the surface of the plateau is? It looks like someone scraped the top with something straight-edged. You can even see areas where it looks like shallow areas have been partially filled in. I don't think wind alone would cause that uniformly flat an effect. aHEMagain It was carved out by a giant electric discharge. Research "Electric Universe". - joe |
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aHEMagain^2 User ID: 63817294 United States 09/09/2015 11:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It doesn't strike you how level the surface of the plateau is? It looks like someone scraped the top with something straight-edged. You can even see areas where it looks like shallow areas have been partially filled in. I don't think wind alone would cause that uniformly flat an effect. aHEMagain It was carved out by a giant electric discharge. Research "Electric Universe". - joe I'm familiar with the Electric Universe theory, and I don't think it can account for the smoothness we're seeing here. Some of the people in support of the EU theory have done laboratory simulations of planetary discharges. As I recall, they were a good deal more randomly pitted than this. I think that the groove around the middle of the asteroid Vesta [link to news.discovery.com] is a much better candidate for a possible planetary electric discharge. I'll admit I don't have a sense of how large that plateau is versus how high resolution the photo is, so I could be totally off on my perception. aHEMagain "And once again, Probability proves itself willing to sneak into a back alley and service Drama as would a copper piece harlot." -- Vaarsuvius, The Order of the Stick [link to tvtropes.org] "History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme" -- Mark Twain "It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.-- William Clifford [link to myweb.lmu.edu] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 39518785 United States 09/10/2015 12:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It looks like an ice ball hit the crater. There is a Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12247256 2nd cratering effect in the center of the main area of white. Doesn't explain the lights when the sun was not shining or reflecting on the area. It was still producing bright light. so it's a Light Source and Not A Reflection. The City Lights Of Ceres . |
Nurse Flesh Hammer User ID: 69169673 United States 09/10/2015 12:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It doesn't strike you how level the surface of the plateau is? It looks like someone scraped the top with something straight-edged. You can even see areas where it looks like shallow areas have been partially filled in. I don't think wind alone would cause that uniformly flat an effect. aHEMagain Agree. Close review shows digital blurring/pixilation and many geometrical anomalies Live slow and die deplorable.....and wash your hands |
Nurse Flesh Hammer User ID: 69169673 United States 09/10/2015 12:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hypothesis The smaller lights on the upper right represent the 7 stars of Pleiades. The spherical center object represents the star of bethlehem, RA, origin of human DNA, Sun (not son) of Man, aka where we are from in the Pleiades. The alternate placement of the individual stars in the constellation are to clue the observer to determine WHERE the creators of this came form. In other words, by determining at what angle and distance would create the view of the Pleiades seen here. You can literally bi-angulate the location this was perceived from. Perhaps the third clue, to allow triangulation is down there. We are meant to see this, and go there. Clues await. Just like the ones left on the moon, Mars, etc... Live slow and die deplorable.....and wash your hands |
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Nurse Flesh Hammer User ID: 69169673 United States 09/10/2015 01:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hypothesis Quoting: Nurse Flesh Hammer The smaller lights on the upper right represent the 7 stars of Pleiades. The spherical center object represents the star of bethlehem, RA, origin of human DNA, Sun (not son) of Man, aka where we are from in the Pleiades. The alternate placement of the individual stars in the constellation are to clue the observer to determine WHERE the creators of this came form. In other words, by determining at what angle and distance would create the view of the Pleiades seen here. You can literally bi-angulate the location this was perceived from. Perhaps the third clue, to allow triangulation is down there. We are meant to see this, and go there. Clues await. Just like the ones left on the moon, Mars, etc... An oldie buy a goody [link to www.thehiddenrecords.com] Last Edited by Nurse Flesh Hammer on 09/10/2015 01:59 AM Live slow and die deplorable.....and wash your hands |
Nurse Flesh Hammer User ID: 69169673 United States 09/10/2015 02:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hypothesis Quoting: Nurse Flesh Hammer The smaller lights on the upper right represent the 7 stars of Pleiades. The spherical center object represents the star of bethlehem, RA, origin of human DNA, Sun (not son) of Man, aka where we are from in the Pleiades. The alternate placement of the individual stars in the constellation are to clue the observer to determine WHERE the creators of this came form. In other words, by determining at what angle and distance would create the view of the Pleiades seen here. You can literally bi-angulate the location this was perceived from. Perhaps the third clue, to allow triangulation is down there. We are meant to see this, and go there. Clues await. Just like the ones left on the moon, Mars, etc... [link to server1.sky-map.org] [link to www.nasa.gov] Is this ANOTHER off planet star map? Last Edited by Nurse Flesh Hammer on 09/10/2015 02:32 AM Live slow and die deplorable.....and wash your hands |
aHEMagain^2 User ID: 70175505 United States 09/10/2015 01:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | aHEMagain "And once again, Probability proves itself willing to sneak into a back alley and service Drama as would a copper piece harlot." -- Vaarsuvius, The Order of the Stick [link to tvtropes.org] "History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme" -- Mark Twain "It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.-- William Clifford [link to myweb.lmu.edu] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57703343 United States 09/10/2015 01:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It looks like an ice ball hit the crater. There is a Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12247256 2nd cratering effect in the center of the main area of white. Doesn't explain the lights when the sun was not shining or reflecting on the area. It was still producing bright light. Can you point me to a picture where the "lights" are in the shade? Every picture I have seen has the lights in sunlight. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 39518785 United States 09/10/2015 01:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It looks like an ice ball hit the crater. There is a Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12247256 2nd cratering effect in the center of the main area of white. Doesn't explain the lights when the sun was not shining or reflecting on the area. It was still producing bright light. Can you point me to a picture where the "lights" are in the shade? Every picture I have seen has the lights in sunlight. i want to see NASA bring in 3 or 4 independent analysts to determine if those are Source Lights or Reflected Light. PIGS ! . |
NervousAndJerky User ID: 70027886 United States 09/10/2015 03:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | " Looks like some type of salts left after evaporation. Just probably not water that evaporated. You can see tracks like small rivers down to the white area, so something is causing the erosion. Interesting. [link to i.imgur.com] thats some bright ass salt Gotta source for this image? " Doesn't explain the lights when the sun was not shining or reflecting on the area. It was still producing bright light Can you point me to a picture where the "lights" are in the shade? Every picture I have seen has the lights in sunlight. " The link above is just that. An image of the bright spots emitting there own light, while on the dark side. My request to the poster for the source of the image went unanswered. This creates some question of it's validity. Last Edited by NervousAndJerky on 09/10/2015 03:37 PM |
aHEMagain^2 User ID: 64896325 United States 09/10/2015 04:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That is the photo that I've been looking for. Too bad it's unsourced. Pretty understandable though. If it's real, then you could see why NASA wouldn't release it. It's too provocative to release until they know for sure what it is. Or they do know for sure what it is, and it isn't a "natural" phenomena. I never bought the stories that NASA didn't release photos from when it was in shadow because there wasn't anything to see. Here is a link to an Error Level Analysis (ELA) of that photo. I realize the picture is rather dark, but the ELA shows absolutely no photoshopping. It looks exactly as it should. [link to fotoforensics.com] Certainly, there are ways to cover your photoshop "tracks", but it seems possible it could be genuine. aHEMagain "And once again, Probability proves itself willing to sneak into a back alley and service Drama as would a copper piece harlot." -- Vaarsuvius, The Order of the Stick [link to tvtropes.org] "History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme" -- Mark Twain "It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.-- William Clifford [link to myweb.lmu.edu] |
aHEMagain^2 User ID: 69515317 United States 09/10/2015 04:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The NASA photo in the OP, however, shows definite signs of "photoshopping". I wish I'd thought to run it through ELA sooner. [link to fotoforensics.com] These things take a little practice to interpret. What you are looking for are spots which appear bright on the ELA when there's no corresponding feature change in the original. Areas of high contrast will show a brighter border or edge, but regions of similar contrast should look uniform on the ELA. The most obvious areas the ELA indicates something being changed are a bright spot near the upper edge of the plateau, and a "v"-like shape towards the lower center of the plateau, and a bright spot to the left of the larger bright spot in the center. All three of these are much brighter than would be explained by contrast changes on the original. Both areas of the "lights" also seem to me to show reworking. aHEMagain "And once again, Probability proves itself willing to sneak into a back alley and service Drama as would a copper piece harlot." -- Vaarsuvius, The Order of the Stick [link to tvtropes.org] "History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme" -- Mark Twain "It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.-- William Clifford [link to myweb.lmu.edu] |
Useless Cookie Eater User ID: 29696048 United States 09/10/2015 06:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The NASA photo in the OP, however, shows definite signs of "photoshopping". I wish I'd thought to run it through ELA sooner. Quoting: aHEMagain^2 [link to fotoforensics.com] These things take a little practice to interpret. What you are looking for are spots which appear bright on the ELA when there's no corresponding feature change in the original. Areas of high contrast will show a brighter border or edge, but regions of similar contrast should look uniform on the ELA. The most obvious areas the ELA indicates something being changed are a bright spot near the upper edge of the plateau, and a "v"-like shape towards the lower center of the plateau, and a bright spot to the left of the larger bright spot in the center. All three of these are much brighter than would be explained by contrast changes on the original. Both areas of the "lights" also seem to me to show reworking. aHEMagain NASA's photos cannot be trusted. You always have to check for manipulation now. Not the first time they have erased the truth either. They have their own narrative of reality they want you to believe. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 39518785 United States 09/10/2015 06:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The NASA photo in the OP, however, shows definite signs of "photoshopping". I wish I'd thought to run it through ELA sooner. Quoting: aHEMagain^2 [link to fotoforensics.com] These things take a little practice to interpret. What you are looking for are spots which appear bright on the ELA when there's no corresponding feature change in the original. Areas of high contrast will show a brighter border or edge, but regions of similar contrast should look uniform on the ELA. The most obvious areas the ELA indicates something being changed are a bright spot near the upper edge of the plateau, and a "v"-like shape towards the lower center of the plateau, and a bright spot to the left of the larger bright spot in the center. All three of these are much brighter than would be explained by contrast changes on the original. Both areas of the "lights" also seem to me to show reworking. aHEMagain NASA's photos cannot be trusted. You always have to check for manipulation now. Not the first time they have erased the truth either. They have their own narrative of reality they want you to believe. NASA... what a crock... . |
aHEMagain^2 User ID: 55881257 United States 09/10/2015 07:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "And once again, Probability proves itself willing to sneak into a back alley and service Drama as would a copper piece harlot." -- Vaarsuvius, The Order of the Stick [link to tvtropes.org] "History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme" -- Mark Twain "It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.-- William Clifford [link to myweb.lmu.edu] |
NervousAndJerky User ID: 70027886 United States 09/10/2015 09:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The NASA photo in the OP, however, shows definite signs of "photoshopping". I wish I'd thought to run it through ELA sooner. Quoting: aHEMagain^2 [link to fotoforensics.com] These things take a little practice to interpret. What you are looking for are spots which appear bright on the ELA when there's no corresponding feature change in the original. Areas of high contrast will show a brighter border or edge, but regions of similar contrast should look uniform on the ELA. The most obvious areas the ELA indicates something being changed are a bright spot near the upper edge of the plateau, and a "v"-like shape towards the lower center of the plateau, and a bright spot to the left of the larger bright spot in the center. All three of these are much brighter than would be explained by contrast changes on the original. Both areas of the "lights" also seem to me to show reworking. aHEMagain So, no way it's a brighter image, darkened? And the bright spot enhanced? The lack of a source on the image has me still questioning it. Not sure why because the known NASA image of Ceres rotating suggest the bright spots do indeed produce there own light. By the way, the poster of the image in question. Also posted the GIF image of Ceres bright spots rotating into the terminator. Last Edited by NervousAndJerky on 09/10/2015 09:52 PM |
aHEMagain^2 User ID: 69515317 United States 09/11/2015 12:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ^^^^^^^ OMG, guys! In order to be sure I was answering your question right I went to copy the URL for OP's photo. You quoted my detailed ELA analysis, which was for the official photo on NASA's servers, but your comment was about the "dark" photo you're referencing. So I got confused. The answer to your question is that such a manipulation would cause obvious ELA artifacts. There are ways to hide that, by saving and re-saving the photo to "smooth out" the error correction anomalies. I honestly don't think that's the case with the "dark" photo. It looks to me like it's been saved one time from an unretouched higher resolution file. In the process of being confused, I found something MUCH more interesting. In the process of getting the URL from OP's first post, I noticed that it's not the right version. We've been looking at the thumbnail, not the full resolution shot. Here's OP's URL [link to www.nasa.gov] Here is the URL for the full resolution version [link to www.jpl.nasa.gov] That means I ran the ELA on NASA's thumbnail, which automatically means that the ELA anomalies would be reduced, as I mentioned above. When I ran the ELA on NASA's full-res shot, on NASA's servers, I got a shock. The widespread alteration is obvious, particularly in those areas we'd been discussing earlier, that look like they've been blurred. Well they sure as hell have! I didn't mention that inexplicably dark areas in an ELA where in the original there's no sharp contrast change are a huge sign of manipulation. Well look at this! [link to fotoforensics.com] That's the ELA for NASA's full res image. Look at those black spots! What did they erase? aHEMagain Last Edited by aHEMagain^2 on 09/11/2015 12:04 AM "And once again, Probability proves itself willing to sneak into a back alley and service Drama as would a copper piece harlot." -- Vaarsuvius, The Order of the Stick [link to tvtropes.org] "History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme" -- Mark Twain "It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.-- William Clifford [link to myweb.lmu.edu] |
aHEMagain^2 User ID: 70175494 United States 09/11/2015 12:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bump "And once again, Probability proves itself willing to sneak into a back alley and service Drama as would a copper piece harlot." -- Vaarsuvius, The Order of the Stick [link to tvtropes.org] "History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme" -- Mark Twain "It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.-- William Clifford [link to myweb.lmu.edu] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 39518785 United States 09/11/2015 12:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The NASA photo in the OP, however, shows definite signs of "photoshopping". I wish I'd thought to run it through ELA sooner. Quoting: aHEMagain^2 [link to fotoforensics.com] These things take a little practice to interpret. What you are looking for are spots which appear bright on the ELA when there's no corresponding feature change in the original. Areas of high contrast will show a brighter border or edge, but regions of similar contrast should look uniform on the ELA. The most obvious areas the ELA indicates something being changed are a bright spot near the upper edge of the plateau, and a "v"-like shape towards the lower center of the plateau, and a bright spot to the left of the larger bright spot in the center. All three of these are much brighter than would be explained by contrast changes on the original. Both areas of the "lights" also seem to me to show reworking. aHEMagain So, no way it's a brighter image, darkened? And the bright spot enhanced? The lack of a source on the image has me still questioning it. Not sure why because the known NASA image of Ceres rotating suggest the bright spots do indeed produce there own light. By the way, the poster of the image in question. Also posted the GIF image of Ceres bright spots rotating into the terminator. The City Lights of Ceres !!! |
Nurse Flesh Hammer User ID: 69169673 United States 09/11/2015 12:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ^^^^^^^ Quoting: aHEMagain^2 OMG, guys! In order to be sure I was answering your question right I went to copy the URL for OP's photo. You quoted my detailed ELA analysis, which was for the official photo on NASA's servers, but your comment was about the "dark" photo you're referencing. So I got confused. The answer to your question is that such a manipulation would cause obvious ELA artifacts. There are ways to hide that, by saving and re-saving the photo to "smooth out" the error correction anomalies. I honestly don't think that's the case with the "dark" photo. It looks to me like it's been saved one time from an unretouched higher resolution file. In the process of being confused, I found something MUCH more interesting. In the process of getting the URL from OP's first post, I noticed that it's not the right version. We've been looking at the thumbnail, not the full resolution shot. Here's OP's URL [link to www.nasa.gov] Here is the URL for the full resolution version [link to www.jpl.nasa.gov] That means I ran the ELA on NASA's thumbnail, which automatically means that the ELA anomalies would be reduced, as I mentioned above. When I ran the ELA on NASA's full-res shot, on NASA's servers, I got a shock. The widespread alteration is obvious, particularly in those areas we'd been discussing earlier, that look like they've been blurred. Well they sure as hell have! I didn't mention that inexplicably dark areas in an ELA where in the original there's no sharp contrast change are a huge sign of manipulation. Well look at this! [link to fotoforensics.com] That's the ELA for NASA's full res image. Look at those black spots! What did they erase? aHEMagain Great sloothing bMEHbefore!! What was erased was the tower? Live slow and die deplorable.....and wash your hands |
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