Gold is COMPLETELY USELESS in a post apocalyptic scenario! | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70318367 United States 09/17/2015 11:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70355308 I don't see that at all. Who is going to trade necessities for a metal they can't do anything with? It doesn't make any sense at all. Because gold is the ultimate money. You must be putting us on or something....can't be serious... Gold, silver, and sex....not going away, EVER. Gold is the ultimate money? Go to the store and try and buy something with it. No problem. Drop a bar at the cash at Starbucks and the cashier is gonna pull $3 out of their pocket to pay for your coffee and keep the gold. Gold in this environment is insurance not currency. |
Fatbob User ID: 70214986 United States 09/17/2015 11:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My local Starbucks won't accept Swiss Francs or Euros either, they only take Visa/MC/US dollars. This does not mean Swiss Francs are not a valid form of hard currency. They probably offer a 3 credit course in Logic 101 in your local community college. I would look into it. Follow up with a couple of courses in econ and you might have a start. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 68672977 United States 09/17/2015 11:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP doesn't understand that most people that own gold already has ammo, guns, food, and other preps….it goes with the mindset…..I had a years worth of food, preps, guns, and a bug out place in the country before I bought my first bar of gold….this was back in the 80's…. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70318367 United States 09/17/2015 11:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I find it odd that the claims for this relic are at an all time high, in multiples. [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70355308 United States 09/17/2015 11:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you have such a hard-on against owning gold, don't buy any. Why bother posting here and annoying everybody with your silly ideas, that it is not a form of currency? It is and everyone knows it is. Quoting: Fatbob 70214986 I don't give a shit what you do. I'm just trying to understand the obsession over it. You act like you are going to be kings because of the stash of gold you have when the world goes to shit. It's why you all want doom so bad. I see it as no one is going to give a shit about gold in a time like that. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 889938 United States 09/18/2015 12:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you have such a hard-on against owning gold, don't buy any. Why bother posting here and annoying everybody with your silly ideas, that it is not a form of currency? It is and everyone knows it is. Quoting: Fatbob 70214986 EVERYONE? No only ppl who hoard it and then agree with each other. Youre existing in an echo chamber. Most ppl don't agree or even think about physical gold as a currency. Youre delusional . What's going to happen in many places is the only ppl who value gold highly are those that already have it. So it's highest value will be with other gold hoarders. Those without out any won't miss what they don't have. You'll see. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31374180 United States 09/18/2015 12:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Zimbabwe works because they are using to trade from ppl who value gold because they can turn it into cash. Its being accepted as currency because the gold is going ultimately to ppl who are not fucked like the Zimbabwean. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 889938 In a situation where there are no stable economies to trade with gold will not be accepted by anyone. Yall dumb. Not because gold may or may not work but because Zimbabwe is a dumbshit example that wouldn't apply here. Gold would not replace currency though. That just stupid. It would just be another bartering item and its worth would be negotiated on a deal by deal basis. So if the person you're bartering with doesn't personally value gold then you are shit out of luck. There will be no system in place to validate it's worth. It's not all dumbass out here, friend. You saved me the trouble of writing all that,it's exactly what I was thinking. But in a beautiful snark prose...perhaps I'll throw you an ounce of gold for your efforts. You can use it to keep that table from wobbling |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70191275 United States 09/18/2015 12:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is ZERO use for gold when no one can use it for anything practical. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56082786 I'd give a roll of a toilet paper for a flake of gold from a bottle of Goldschläger, maybe. Rubbish idiotic Canadian. Physical gold will always be of high value! Civilization and Gold has been around before you or you're great grandparents fucked. People only consider gold as being valuable, because, that's what they've been taught!!! OP is right. If I have a surplus of eggs and you have a pile of gold, I assure you, I will NOT trade my eggs for your gold. I cannot eat your gold; keep warm or build a shelter. It is WORTHLESS!! You guys are like dems and Republicans. Why can't you store gold and silver AND store food. What a thought?!? Both bases fully covered. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 889938 United States 09/18/2015 12:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Zimbabwe works because they are using to trade from ppl who value gold because they can turn it into cash. Its being accepted as currency because the gold is going ultimately to ppl who are not fucked like the Zimbabwean. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 889938 In a situation where there are no stable economies to trade with gold will not be accepted by anyone. Yall dumb. Not because gold may or may not work but because Zimbabwe is a dumbshit example that wouldn't apply here. Gold would not replace currency though. That just stupid. It would just be another bartering item and its worth would be negotiated on a deal by deal basis. So if the person you're bartering with doesn't personally value gold then you are shit out of luck. There will be no system in place to validate it's worth. It's not all dumbass out here, friend. You saved me the trouble of writing all that,it's exactly what I was thinking. But in a beautiful snark prose...perhaps I'll throw you an ounce of gold for your efforts. You can use it to keep that table from wobbling It's pretty malleable. I'd likely make bullets out of it. Maybe a toy for the kids or a pretty trinket for the lady. Something useful anyways. I've got some gold though. Nothing in coin but a couple pounds in jewelry. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 889938 United States 09/18/2015 12:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My local Starbucks won't accept Swiss Francs or Euros either, they only take Visa/MC/US dollars. Quoting: Fatbob 70214986 This does not mean Swiss Francs are not a valid form of hard currency. They probably offer a 3 credit course in Logic 101 in your local community college. I would look into it. Follow up with a couple of courses in econ and you might have a start. No it means your valid currency can't even buy you a cup of coffee. No matter how much you talk about its worth. Good thing you know about that logic classes location already. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 889938 United States 09/18/2015 12:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Zimbabwe works because they are using to trade from ppl who value gold because they can turn it into cash. Its being accepted as currency because the gold is going ultimately to ppl who are not fucked like the Zimbabwean. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 889938 In a situation where there are no stable economies to trade with gold will not be accepted by anyone. Yall dumb. Not because gold may or may not work but because Zimbabwe is a dumbshit example that wouldn't apply here. Gold would not replace currency though. That just stupid. It would just be another bartering item and its worth would be negotiated on a deal by deal basis. So if the person you're bartering with doesn't personally value gold then you are shit out of luck. There will be no system in place to validate it's worth. Exactly the opposite in your doomsday scenario...it is gold that would be the one remaining currency (along with silver). Zimbabwe is not a good enough example for you? What level of economic breakdown would be good enough for you to witness? I don't get it. Well, if you firmly believe gold has no intrinsic value and is a relic of the past, feel free to go ahead and believe that. There are about 2 or 3 billion people living in the east, plus the majority in the west that would disagree with you. It's almost like it's you and Paul Krugman against the rest of the world. Don't purchase any, and good luck with your crusade.... Man you guys are dense as fuck. The gold in Zimbabwe is only worth something because it eventually makes it into the hands of someone who converts it out of gold and into cash in a better economy outside of Zimbabwe. That wouldn't exist in a post apocalyptic world. You fools are brainwashed. And the only game in town would be barter you dummies. Youre living in a fantasy world where gold HAS TO be accepted. No. It doesn't. Thats absurd. Labor, services or exchange of other goods can and will be accepted. Or a currency not gold could arise naturally because of its common sense value in a new market. The worth of gold is based in greed and perception of rarity and worth. If that notion of gold dies the worth of gold dies with it. Christ it's like I'm talking to children. 1. Gold takes human production/job to dig it out of the ground. It can't be created nor destroyed, it's portable, requires no food or water, no maintenance and it wont rot, decay or tarnish. This 'money' cannot be steered or directed to a duty of any specific part of the economy because, anyone could buy anything. 2. Dollars or any fiat currency (since we went off the Gold standard) for that matter, take but only a few keystrokes by one, to create the production/jobs of billions of humans. This money can be specifically steered and directed with pinpoint accuracy, to any duty of the economy that the creator deems necessary. Its whats going on right now. Why would you need human production when they aren't required to utilize them in the creation of money anywho ? You're not as brite as you think. You didn't address how any of those things makes gold worth something to someone who doesn't want it. I think you need to feel like I'm not as bright as I obviously am. |
Jack Hammer User ID: 32810416 United States 09/18/2015 01:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A) Gold/silver always have value, because most people believe it does. If you do not believe this, give me a bar of gold to prove it. B) People I know who raise chickens, have more eggs than they can eat. They can trade their SURPLUS eggs for silver. And trade that silver for someone's SURPLUS bread, water, bullets, shoes, whatever. If TSHTF, and I have 7 vehicles or rifles, I may decide I only need 2, and trade the others for gold which could be traded for someone else's SURPLUS weapon, food, medicine, cow, booty. C) Majority of people are inherently greedy, and gold is very appealing to them, regardless of the scenario. It's shiny too. D) Once the dust settles in your post apocalyptic scenario, the guy who traded his surplus for gold is going to be your pimp. And you will wish you had stashed away more of that useless shiny stuff. If I have a surplus of anything, I may consider precious metals for a trade, because I can trade it for something else. Maybe you would not, but for every one of you, there are a dozen who would. |
JustChilling User ID: 67790386 United States 09/18/2015 01:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is ZERO use for gold when no one can use it for anything practical. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56082786 I'd give a roll of a toilet paper for a flake of gold from a bottle of Goldschläger, maybe. Watch this (OP) This'll bake your noodle... Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -Winston Churchill |
M*walk Low Earth Orbit User ID: 9652994 United States 09/18/2015 01:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68935089 I think you are kind of correct. If there is a total collapse. Gold will mean nothing. And if there is a rebuilding, other items might be of more value other than this. Such as heirloom seeds, and things of that nature. On the other hand, if there is a partial collapse in various countries - yep - very valuable. Wrong! If fiat money fails, Gold backed currency will be the thing. Just like the old days. People will still be producing and buying things. WRONG!!! People mine MINERALS to convert to cash. Our fiat currency will be worthless, so who is going to buy or mine something practically useless. Anyone trading commodities will want something substantial in return, as our system of converting precious metals into cash would be down. And everyday necessities would be rare, if available at all. Op is correct, a roll of tp will get you things. AND BESIDES, our currency is supposed to be gold backed already. astonishing ignorance. How is it possible that anyone thinks "our currency is supposed to be gold backed already"? How is it possible that anyone doesn't understand why iron,copper, tin, zinc, gold and silver etc. etc. were ever mined, smelted and refined in the first place? Is common core at fault here? Or is there some other reason? Yes our currency was backed by gold you dense forest, until Nixon severed the ties between gold and the USD in 71. Read this article and languish in your own stupidity, dude., [link to www.businessinsider.com] snip Ever since, the US government has refused to acknowledge precious metals as money… yet if the Treasury’s financial statements are to be believed, Uncle Sam is still holding 261,498,900 troy ounces of gold. Let’s dismiss the tungsten possibilities for now and presume that it’s real gold. At today’s prices, the value would be about $437 billion. Meanwhile, M2 money supply at last count was about $9.8 trillion as of March 12, 2012. This means that roughly 4.46% of US dollars in circulation are ‘backed’ by gold, the rest backed by false promises and goodwill. You are astonishingly ignorant, you know that?! What was your education? Common BORE? Last Edited by M*walk on 09/18/2015 01:47 AM “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 889938 United States 09/18/2015 01:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look let me simplify this argument without all the brain numbing wanna be econ geniusing. Gold tards: Gold will be worth something because it will be worth something. I can give you the reasons why I think it will be worth something in any situation but I can't prove it. Gold will save me and my family. Not gold tards: Gold is only worth something if someone wants it. Thats just common sense. So I don't have to prove anything and I think there will be many ppl who will take many forms of payment over gold and I believe some will outright refuse it as payment. Gold will not save you and your family. The end. Then there is those who have it but are not relying on it. With various degrees of confidence in its usefulness in this hypothetical scenario. |
M*walk Low Earth Orbit User ID: 9652994 United States 09/18/2015 01:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look let me simplify this argument without all the brain numbing wanna be econ geniusing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 889938 Gold tards: Gold will be worth something because it will be worth something. I can give you the reasons why I think it will be worth something in any situation but I can't prove it. Gold will save me and my family. Not gold tards: Gold is only worth something if someone wants it. Thats just common sense. So I don't have to prove anything and I think there will be many ppl who will take many forms of payment over gold and I believe some will outright refuse it as payment. Gold will not save you and your family. The end. Then there is those who have it but are not relying on it. With various degrees of confidence in its usefulness in this hypothetical scenario. We really have to cross that bridge first, to know. “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 57205020 United States 09/18/2015 01:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When the world was primitive it wasn't worthless....what makes your weak brain think it will be worthless in the future? Quoting: Chip Nothing? Just a lame as guess because your a windows licker that hasn't got a penny to his name? :jay: hmmm i disagree. i've long since converted mine to 7.62, booze, and more equipment.. if were in the throngs of an apocalypse... shiny soft metal, paper currency, great for bashing in a head or starting a fire. i've seen it in kosovo and serbia during their meltdown. my shitty mre was worth far more than gold necklaces and trinkets.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 889938 United States 09/18/2015 01:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look let me simplify this argument without all the brain numbing wanna be econ geniusing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 889938 Gold tards: Gold will be worth something because it will be worth something. I can give you the reasons why I think it will be worth something in any situation but I can't prove it. Gold will save me and my family. Not gold tards: Gold is only worth something if someone wants it. Thats just common sense. So I don't have to prove anything and I think there will be many ppl who will take many forms of payment over gold and I believe some will outright refuse it as payment. Gold will not save you and your family. The end. Then there is those who have it but are not relying on it. With various degrees of confidence in its usefulness in this hypothetical scenario. We really have to cross that bridge first, to know. Yup. I can't help but imagine after the initial shit storm and a society is stabilizing and building again that there will be corpses found in homes. Surrounded by gold. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 56082786 Canada 09/18/2015 02:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2 words. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70355971 Precious metal. Can you brag these words on useless paper money? If the world turns over soon, people will be smart enough to know gold is absolutely useless. No one will be manufacturing electronics and if they do, gold is totally not necessary unless you're space age. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 59657084 United States 09/18/2015 02:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is ZERO use for gold when no one can use it for anything practical. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56082786 I'd give a roll of a toilet paper for a flake of gold from a bottle of Goldschläger, maybe. I will take all your worthless gold, if you don't want, and after SHTF, I will sell and make %1000 profit.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 59657084 United States 09/18/2015 02:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | only poor SOBs who don't have any physical gold are butthurt. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68998354 Gold has been the standard since the dawn of Civilization. Apocalypse or not, the trend will continue on till the last of these dumb fuckers dies. They wish they had some, but can't afford to..so they justify to themselves why gold is silly to own.. It will always be valuable because of its scarcity and usefulness.. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70356525 Malaysia 09/18/2015 04:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is ZERO use for gold when no one can use it for anything practical. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56082786 I'd give a roll of a toilet paper for a flake of gold from a bottle of Goldschläger, maybe. Rubbish idiotic Canadian. Physical gold will always be of high value! Civilization and Gold has been around before you or you're great grandparents fucked. OP is right you moran. When TSHTF, foods and water will be scarce. Even if you own the whole gold in the universe, what good will it bring if you can't even find a cup of water? Stupid prick. |
s. d. butler User ID: 974819 United States 09/18/2015 04:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68998354 Wrong! If fiat money fails, Gold backed currency will be the thing. Just like the old days. People will still be producing and buying things. WRONG!!! People mine MINERALS to convert to cash. Our fiat currency will be worthless, so who is going to buy or mine something practically useless. Anyone trading commodities will want something substantial in return, as our system of converting precious metals into cash would be down. And everyday necessities would be rare, if available at all. Op is correct, a roll of tp will get you things. AND BESIDES, our currency is supposed to be gold backed already. astonishing ignorance. How is it possible that anyone thinks "our currency is supposed to be gold backed already"? How is it possible that anyone doesn't understand why iron,copper, tin, zinc, gold and silver etc. etc. were ever mined, smelted and refined in the first place? Is common core at fault here? Or is there some other reason? Yes our currency was backed by gold you dense forest, until Nixon severed the ties between gold and the USD in 71. Read this article and languish in your own stupidity, dude., [link to www.businessinsider.com] snip Ever since, the US government has refused to acknowledge precious metals as money… yet if the Treasury’s financial statements are to be believed, Uncle Sam is still holding 261,498,900 troy ounces of gold. Let’s dismiss the tungsten possibilities for now and presume that it’s real gold. At today’s prices, the value would be about $437 billion. Meanwhile, M2 money supply at last count was about $9.8 trillion as of March 12, 2012. This means that roughly 4.46% of US dollars in circulation are ‘backed’ by gold, the rest backed by false promises and goodwill. You are astonishingly ignorant, you know that?! What was your education? Common BORE? I guess in common core land there is no difference between IS backed by gold and WAS backed by gold (the dollar was only partially backed by gold when nixon severed the relationship). There is no gold backing the dollar at all. Do you understand what your own quote means? "Ever since the u.s. government has refused to acknowledge precious metals as money". No one can take a fed reserve note and exchange it for gold. That is the definition of fiat currency-there is nothing backing it at all. I suppose in fuzzy addled common core land "supposed to be backed by gold already" means it is backed by gold. Check into why nixon did that but it might be to taxing for you. At any rate $437 billion in gold is laughable compared to a debt of 18 trillion and unfunded liabilities of 1 - 200 trillion. And as far as your other moronic contention, if there is a market for copper, iron or any other metal or mineral, people will mine, smelt and refine it. They will then sell their product for whatever the medium of exchange turns out to be. the article you cite refers to Mongolia as an example of gold reserves vs. money in circulation. Which in itself is a poor comparison in relation to debt and unfunded liabilities. Last Edited by s. d. butler on 09/18/2015 05:05 AM |