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John Lear posits that NO planes existed at all on 9/11 | |
| UseLessRepEATER (OP) Those who know the least obey the best: G.F.  User ID: 70360434  United States09/21/2015 05:24 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I watched the first clip, and actually he kind of dismisses himself. Quoting: artMan He says that remove controlling would be too difficult, yet he has so much confidence in the flight simulators, that he uses them as an argument. As a programmer myself, I can tell you that you could use the same flight simulator engine to do exactly that remove controlling. Each second you can simulate the whole path to the building and correct the path every milli second even if you want, to make a hit. So, either flight simulator is not good enough for simulation, or his claim that it is too difficult is just bogus. OK fine. How did building 7 fall without having been hit by a jet, even though WTC 1 and 2 weren't, but nobody told you about Bldg. 7 did they? Real Eyes, Realize, Real Lies..... Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. ~H. L. Mencken~ We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. ~Plato~ When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. ~Dresden James~ |
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| artMan User ID: 70349472  Sweden09/21/2015 05:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I watched the first clip, and actually he kind of dismisses himself. Quoting: artMan He says that remove controlling would be too difficult, yet he has so much confidence in the flight simulators, that he uses them as an argument. As a programmer myself, I can tell you that you could use the same flight simulator engine to do exactly that remove controlling. Each second you can simulate the whole path to the building and correct the path every milli second even if you want, to make a hit. So, either flight simulator is not good enough for simulation, or his claim that it is too difficult is just bogus. OK fine. How did building 7 fall without having been hit by a jet, even though WTC 1 and 2 weren't, but nobody told you about Bldg. 7 did they? Are you retarded? I have no doubt about the false flag!!!!!!!!!!! We are discussing NO FUCKING PLANES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| UseLessRepEATER (OP) Those who know the least obey the best: G.F. User ID: 70360434 United States09/21/2015 05:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Id believe that before I believed planes actually went rogue that day... Real Eyes, Realize, Real Lies..... Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. ~H. L. Mencken~ We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. ~Plato~ When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. ~Dresden James~ |
| UseLessRepEATER (OP) Those who know the least obey the best: G.F. User ID: 70360434 United States09/21/2015 05:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I watched the first clip, and actually he kind of dismisses himself. Quoting: artMan He says that remove controlling would be too difficult, yet he has so much confidence in the flight simulators, that he uses them as an argument. As a programmer myself, I can tell you that you could use the same flight simulator engine to do exactly that remove controlling. Each second you can simulate the whole path to the building and correct the path every milli second even if you want, to make a hit. So, either flight simulator is not good enough for simulation, or his claim that it is too difficult is just bogus. OK fine. How did building 7 fall without having been hit by a jet, even though WTC 1 and 2 weren't, but nobody told you about Bldg. 7 did they? Are you retarded? I have no doubt about the false flag!!!!!!!!!!! We are discussing NO FUCKING PLANES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dude, holographics are very real, and no I'm far from a retard. Real Eyes, Realize, Real Lies..... Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. ~H. L. Mencken~ We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. ~Plato~ When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. ~Dresden James~ |
| artMan User ID: 70349472 Sweden09/21/2015 05:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I watched the first clip, and actually he kind of dismisses himself. Quoting: artMan He says that remove controlling would be too difficult, yet he has so much confidence in the flight simulators, that he uses them as an argument. As a programmer myself, I can tell you that you could use the same flight simulator engine to do exactly that remove controlling. Each second you can simulate the whole path to the building and correct the path every milli second even if you want, to make a hit. So, either flight simulator is not good enough for simulation, or his claim that it is too difficult is just bogus. OK fine. How did building 7 fall without having been hit by a jet, even though WTC 1 and 2 weren't, but nobody told you about Bldg. 7 did they? Are you retarded? I have no doubt about the false flag!!!!!!!!!!! We are discussing NO FUCKING PLANES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dude, holographics are very real, and no I'm far from a retard. You are when you try to bring up things not part of the discussion. You just assumed a lot, like me not doing my homework. Ok, so now it has come down to holograms? |
| UseLessRepEATER (OP) Those who know the least obey the best: G.F. User ID: 70360434 United States09/21/2015 05:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: UseLessRepEATER OK fine. How did building 7 fall without having been hit by a jet, even though WTC 1 and 2 weren't, but nobody told you about Bldg. 7 did they? Are you retarded? I have no doubt about the false flag!!!!!!!!!!! We are discussing NO FUCKING PLANES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dude, holographics are very real, and no I'm far from a retard. You are when you try to bring up things not part of the discussion. You just assumed a lot, like me not doing my homework. Ok, so now it has come down to holograms? I wasn't there art. I just know the official story was BS> Real Eyes, Realize, Real Lies..... Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. ~H. L. Mencken~ We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. ~Plato~ When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. ~Dresden James~ |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 68474273 United States09/21/2015 05:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | At least we can be thankful that many (and more every day) will not believe anything spoonfed to them now. And the thing is, the gov is getting more and more incompetent and making even more mistakes since 9OneOne, thus making it even easier to spot. The very thing (Internet) that they designed to enslave us gives us our only chance for seeing right through it. |
| UseLessRepEATER (OP) Those who know the least obey the best: G.F. User ID: 70360434 United States09/21/2015 05:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | At least we can be thankful that many (and more every day) will not believe anything spoonfed to them now. And the thing is, the gov is getting more and more incompetent and making even more mistakes since 9OneOne, thus making it even easier to spot. The very thing (Internet) that they designed to enslave us gives us our only chance for seeing right through it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68474273 You're correct: A: they don't care anymore since the truth is getting out; B: they always use the same script; and C: they are getting mighty desperate so anything goes........ Real Eyes, Realize, Real Lies..... Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. ~H. L. Mencken~ We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. ~Plato~ When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. ~Dresden James~ |
| UseLessRepEATER (OP) Those who know the least obey the best: G.F. User ID: 70360434 United States09/21/2015 05:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Real Eyes, Realize, Real Lies..... Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. ~H. L. Mencken~ We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. ~Plato~ When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. ~Dresden James~ |
| artMan User ID: 70349472 Sweden09/21/2015 05:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: artMan Are you retarded? I have no doubt about the false flag!!!!!!!!!!! We are discussing NO FUCKING PLANES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dude, holographics are very real, and no I'm far from a retard. You are when you try to bring up things not part of the discussion. You just assumed a lot, like me not doing my homework. Ok, so now it has come down to holograms? I wasn't there art. I just know the official story was BS> Yes, but as a programmer of 29 years, I can safely say that his claim it's too difficult to do remote controlling is 100% false. |
| UseLessRepEATER (OP) Those who know the least obey the best: G.F. User ID: 70360434 United States09/21/2015 05:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are when you try to bring up things not part of the discussion. You just assumed a lot, like me not doing my homework. Ok, so now it has come down to holograms? I wasn't there art. I just know the official story was BS> Yes, but as a programmer of 29 years, I can safely say that his claim it's too difficult to do remote controlling is 100% false. Perhaps,I am not a pilot so I can't say with any authority, but presumably he is an expert. A man who holds almost every certification possible wouldn't hold himself up to be a fraudulent pilot insider would he? Too many of his colleagues would have criticized him as yet, no? Real Eyes, Realize, Real Lies..... Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. ~H. L. Mencken~ We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. ~Plato~ When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. ~Dresden James~ |
| artMan User ID: 70349472 Sweden09/21/2015 05:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: artMan You are when you try to bring up things not part of the discussion. You just assumed a lot, like me not doing my homework. Ok, so now it has come down to holograms? I wasn't there art. I just know the official story was BS> Yes, but as a programmer of 29 years, I can safely say that his claim it's too difficult to do remote controlling is 100% false. Perhaps,I am not a pilot so I can't say with any authority, but presumably he is an expert. A man who holds almost every certification possible wouldn't hold himself up to be a fraudulent pilot insider would he? Too many of his colleagues would have criticized him as yet, no? He know everything about aircrafts, he can speak for aircrafts. I'm the expert (compared to him) in regards to programming. He should not make claims he knows nothing about. I can make claims, because I know what I'm talking about. No, it's not too difficult. As the matter of fact, I could do it with the help of the source code from flight sim. |
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| aHEMagain^2 User ID: 70175981 United States09/21/2015 07:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: UseLessRepEATER Ok, I don't care whose passport was allegedly found, which it wasn't, it doesn't pass the logic test if one buys into the "official" narrative... I'm simply talking about knowing the official story. Lear doesn't. He, like the vast majority of 9/11 "researchers", always say that Mohammed Atta's passport was found at Ground Zero. It wasn't. It was Satam al-Suqami's passport that was found, as the official story goes. I'm not talking about whether or not planes were used. I'm talking about KNOWING the official story (which one must in order to debunk it). As for the planes or no planes, let me ask you... Why do you think no planes were used on 9/11? Not even remote controlled planes? Did you watch the first video I posted? There was NO JET WRECKAGE at: Shanksville, WTC 1 and 2 or the Pentagon? What say you? You're a jerkoff. There are remnants of aircraft in and around Ground Zero. Yeah, they even found one plane engine where it had been lowered between two buildings with a rope. In the excitement of the day, that piece didn't get played, and it got forgotten about. Until they found it there, with the rope still around it. As far as I know, they never got back to us on which plane it came from. My bet is it came from the plane that was supposed to hit Building 7. "aHEMagain posits that NO John Lear existed at all on 9/11" Quoting: aHEMagain^2 John Lear seems like a nice, interesting guy. The only thing is he's an unfiltered repeater. If the person telling him something believes what their selling, Mr Lear does as well. aHEMagain Yes but the points he makes are still valid and to my knowledge have not been refuted. Planes are planes and it doesn't matter who's making the claims. The point still stands, the planes that were supposedly used in the attack couldn't have performed the manoeuvres. That's also confirmed by Boeing. Oh, I agree there's no good reason to believe the planes that took off with passengers were the planes that hit the buildings. I also agree that the physical effects we saw weren't from the impact of the planes alone. With Building 7, we not only have the anomaly of the way it collapsed, but the way the fire started. The significant fire started as an entire floor inexplicably exploded into flames. I haven't looked at the timing to work out if the floor exploded prematurely, and thus they had to down 93, since it wouldn't make sense if the floor was already blown. Or maybe a pilot shot the plane down. If that happened, even though 93 wasn't going to make it to plow into the building, they still would have to trigger the fire. Without the fire they'd have NO cover for the collapse. And we know THAT building HAD to collapse. aHEMagain The reason that they didn't find significant wreckage at Shanksville (I believe) is that it wasn't the real crash site. There is a documentary about the witness testimony of those who saw the plane that was supposed to hit the Pentagon. It supports the conclusion that the plane over flew the the Pentagon and that a missile of some sort is what actually caused the damage to the building. aHEMagain Last Edited by aHEMagain^2 on 09/21/2015 07:58 AM "And once again, Probability proves itself willing to sneak into a back alley and service Drama as would a copper piece harlot." -- Vaarsuvius, The Order of the Stick [link to tvtropes.org] "History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme" -- Mark Twain "It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.-- William Clifford [link to myweb.lmu.edu] |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 70367972 United States09/21/2015 08:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I didn't even waste my time listening to this guy. Do you people actually listen to yourselves? I was THERE when the 2nd tower was hit. I spent 4 days on the pile. I was there when BOTH towers fell. I AM a first responder! While I can't say that the planes that hit the towers were commercial airliners with passengers (although the 2nd appeared to be but I can't say there were people aboard)and won't try to because I know what I witnessed during and for days after, I CAN tell you it was not a damn hologram! Our fire chief was lost that day as were many of the bravest individuals you will ever meet. Those of you who throw around accusations wouldn't have the balls to go where we did. NOW, do I think a plane hit the Pentagon? No, I think it was a missile. Do I think a plane crashed in Shanksville and disintegrated? NO. I am sure it was something else. HOWEVER, I stood front and center and watched in horror as the 2nd place hit at the WTC. That is a fact I CAN tell you. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 70377777 Serbia09/21/2015 08:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I didn't even waste my time listening to this guy. Do you people actually listen to yourselves? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70367972 I was THERE when the 2nd tower was hit. I spent 4 days on the pile. I was there when BOTH towers fell. I AM a first responder! While I can't say that the planes that hit the towers were commercial airliners with passengers (although the 2nd appeared to be but I can't say there were people aboard)and won't try to because I know what I witnessed during and for days after, I CAN tell you it was not a damn hologram! Our fire chief was lost that day as were many of the bravest individuals you will ever meet. Those of you who throw around accusations wouldn't have the balls to go where we did. NOW, do I think a plane hit the Pentagon? No, I think it was a missile. Do I think a plane crashed in Shanksville and disintegrated? NO. I am sure it was something else. HOWEVER, I stood front and center and watched in horror as the 2nd place hit at the WTC. That is a fact I CAN tell you. no one said they didn't die just direct all that anger to your criminal Nazi government led by Rockefellers and Rotschilds |
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| FlashBuzzkill User ID: 68754170 United States09/21/2015 01:21 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Planes did impossible maneuvers, attained impossible airspeeds without breaking apart, disappeared in to 3 buildings leaving no wreckage outside save a single landing gear and one turbine fan while the Shanksville plane disappeared in to the ground. SURE....... Passenger photos borrowed, manipulated, no manifests from the airlines...." but I saw it on tv, it must be real!" Bottom line whether there were planes or not they were certainly under remote control if real and the OS is still one big lie. Last Edited by FlashBuzzkill on 09/21/2015 01:25 PM Gen. John B Gordon and Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest were the finest citizen-soldiers birthed in America. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 70379655 United States09/21/2015 01:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | there were a precious few who read a script before a pre-scripted (in-on-it) media conglomerates? How did the fiberglass nose of any of the alleged penetrating jets get all the way through a heavily built building and come out the other side? DO MORE RESEARCH IDIOT. No way an aluminum plane can go through a steel building. Where were the plane parts once the building came down? Oh, that's right, they weren't as indestructible as Mohammad Atta's passport. No luggage at the Shanksville crash site either. No luggage. No plane parts. No bodies. But there was an Arab passport. A partially burnt flight schedule. An Arab scarf. All placed where easily found. All undamaged, but nothing else. They must think we're really stupid. |
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| UseLessRepEATER (OP) Those who know the least obey the best: G.F. User ID: 70360434 United States09/24/2015 02:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What does he think became of the passengers (who have family, friends, jobs, a life history) of the non-existent planes? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60436848 Few key operatives spared and relocated, most gassed at Otis AFB. Yeah there were wives of Senators and such, and the alleged launched planes had mostly empty manifests.... Real Eyes, Realize, Real Lies..... Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. ~H. L. Mencken~ We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. ~Plato~ When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. ~Dresden James~ |
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| UseLessRepEATER (OP) Those who know the least obey the best: G.F. User ID: 70360434 United States09/24/2015 02:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Based on? Real Eyes, Realize, Real Lies..... Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. ~H. L. Mencken~ We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. ~Plato~ When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. ~Dresden James~ |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 19492352 United States09/24/2015 02:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I didn't even waste my time listening to this guy. Do you people actually listen to yourselves? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70367972 I was THERE when the 2nd tower was hit. I spent 4 days on the pile. I was there when BOTH towers fell. I AM a first responder! While I can't say that the planes that hit the towers were commercial airliners with passengers (although the 2nd appeared to be but I can't say there were people aboard)and won't try to because I know what I witnessed during and for days after, I CAN tell you it was not a damn hologram! Our fire chief was lost that day as were many of the bravest individuals you will ever meet. Those of you who throw around accusations wouldn't have the balls to go where we did. NOW, do I think a plane hit the Pentagon? No, I think it was a missile. Do I think a plane crashed in Shanksville and disintegrated? NO. I am sure it was something else. HOWEVER, I stood front and center and watched in horror as the 2nd place hit at the WTC. That is a fact I CAN tell you. Specifically, where were you standing when you saw the second plane hit the South Tower? What block of what street? What was your business being there at that time? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 19492352 United States09/24/2015 02:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: artMan Are you retarded? I have no doubt about the false flag!!!!!!!!!!! We are discussing NO FUCKING PLANES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dude, holographics are very real, and no I'm far from a retard. You are when you try to bring up things not part of the discussion. You just assumed a lot, like me not doing my homework. Ok, so now it has come down to holograms? I wasn't there art. I just know the official story was BS> No, you claimed to KNOW that no planes hit the Twin Towers. Don't back peddle now. |
