A question for those that believe in reincarnation

Judeo/Christian viewpoint gave freedom and worth to the individual person, so more tolerant government came from that. Nobody is supposed to be forced to become Christian.

Myanmar is full of tribal wars, brutal military dictatorship, which is softening a bit. I don't think they are a good example for your argument.

If your gonna name call, then no point in trying to answer. Just trying to have a respectful conversation.

People in India are striving for the same things as other people are. Not enlightenment, but flat scree TV's and cell phones. Its not necessary to have a romantic vision of what they are.

We are speaking English, do you have a better word?

People realize this world sucks, but then they chose a belief that says we keep on going in this world one life after another. The world never gets better, only worse. There is no evidence for reincarnation.

I'm just a regular person like you.

Christian Mystics believe in reincarnation. It's just those who have been lied to by the RCC and its offspring. The energy of cause effect (karma) doesn't play out how humans want or expect.

I'm familiar with a couple "mystic", from few hundred years ago. In their writings, they never mention the concept of reincarnation.

A few hundred years ago...got them killed.

But does it really matter...

learn to love and be grateful for all that is.

They did go to prison, one died in prison the other was eventually released.

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Why would someone want to be reincarnated anyway?

It doesn't matter what you want. You didn't have a choice when you were born either

Sure I didn't have a choice, but God has a plan.

In Buddhism, Bodhisattva's choose to stay in this world to help others become enlightened. It's a selfless act to help others and stay until we all go together,

From my understanding of Buddhism, they don't even have reincarnation.

Because they are foolishly attached to the ways of the world!

Everyone in the Kingdom of God has pure, unalloyed, unconditional, unmotivated, uninterrupted, unadulterated, loving devotion to the object of their affection, which just so happens to be the Supreme Personality [God] and every part and parcel of Him, which includes everyone.

Anyone who still has the slightest tinge of desire for anything separate from their relationship with God doesn't fit in and is thus provided further opportunity to make an attempt to fulfill any such remaining, degraded desires. He loves us too much to interfere with our free will, but also holds us accountable for each and every materialistic action we are engaged in, which in the Sanskrit language [the oldest language there is] is called karma.

There is an overabundant supply of ample evidence all around you, but you have chosen to ignore it and thus remain in ignorance about it.

Reincarnation would be throughout all people, not just Hindus.

Again, your "understanding" is incorrect, but yet you never hesitate to broadcast your speculations.

It is an interesting paradox that they believe in reincarnation, while at the same time clinging to the misconception that it is all actually an illusion, when in reality the soul actually never does die or take birth, but the bodies do exist. When we believe we are these bodies, that we are temporarily imprisoned in, we suffer as a result of being influenced by such bodily related illusions.

And, so it is.

As a matter of fact, it's a fact of life... and death!

Better to get right with God and never die again!

This is not true. I am a Buddhist and Tulku is the Buddhist word for a reincarnate of high spiritual nature. i.e. the Dalai Lama is the 14th reincarnation of Chenrezig.

The Buddhadharma is much older than the other Indian religions and Tirthika tenet systems.

The Buddha Shakyamuni is the most recent Supreme Nirmanakaya; there have been others before him.

Also, it's really strange when people say that Buddhism doesn't have rebirth.

If there's a Buddhist sect that rejects rebirth, I'd like to know which one it is.

Buddhism was the state religion of Tibet and is the state religion of Bhutan; and they don't crap out in the streets, and never have.

And Buddhadharma explains rebirth in the most complete way, so it is the epitome of teachings on reincarnation.

Your reasoning is heavily flawed.

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How can they NOT be new? Look at the population growth curve!

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Full of Win!

The correlation aint causation move BUT STRONG!

Correction - Buddhism predates the concocted, Indian, so-called religion called Hinduism, which is a modern, distorted version of the teachings found in various, different parts of the Vedic scriptures, which were compiled and transcribed 5,000 years ago. In the 5,000 year old, Vedic scripture known as the Srimad-Bhagavatam, there is the following, documented record of a great prophet, named Srila Sukadeva Goswami, accurately predicting the appearance, parentage and mission of Lord Buddha.

SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM

TRANSLATIONS AND PURPORTS BY THE FOUNDER AND HIGHEST AUTHORITY [UNDER GOD] OF THE INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY FOR KRSNA [PRONOUNCED KRISHNA] CONSCIOUSNESS [ISKCON] KNOWN AS SRILA PRABHUPADA


CANTO 1 CHAPTER 3

TEXT 24

tatah kalau sampravrtte
sammohaya sura-dvisam
buddho namnanjana-sutah
kikatesu bhavisyati

WORD-FOR-WORD MEANINGS

tatah—thereafter; kalau—the age of Kali; sampravrtte—having ensued; sammohaya—for the purpose of deluding; sura—the theists; dvisam—those who are envious; buddhah—Lord Buddha; namna—of the name; anjana-sutah—whose mother was Anjana; kikatesu—in the province of Gaya (Bihar); bhavisyati—will take place.

TRANSLATION

Then, in the beginning of Kali-yuga, the Lord will appear as Lord Buddha, the son of Anjana, in the province of Gaya, just for the purpose of deluding those who are envious of the faithful theist.

PURPORT

Lord Buddha, a powerful incarnation of the Personality of Godhead, appeared in the province of Gaya (Bihar) as the son of Anjana, and he preached his own conception of nonviolence and deprecated even the animal sacrifices sanctioned in the Vedas. At the time when Lord Buddha appeared, the people in general were atheistic and preferred animal flesh to anything else. On the plea of Vedic sacrifice, every place was practically turned into a slaughterhouse, and animal-killing was indulged in unrestrictedly. Lord Buddha preached nonviolence, taking pity on the poor animals. He preached that he did not believe in the tenets of the Vedas and stressed the adverse psychological effects incurred by animal-killing. Less intelligent men of the age of Kali, who had no faith in God, followed his principle, and for the time being they were trained in moral discipline and nonviolence, the preliminary steps for proceeding further on the path of God realization. He deluded the atheists because such atheists who followed his principles did not believe in God, but they kept their absolute faith in Lord Buddha, who himself was the incarnation of God. Thus the faithless people were made to believe in God in the form of Lord Buddha. That was the mercy of Lord Buddha: he made the faithless faithful to him.

Killing of animals before the advent of Lord Buddha was the most prominent feature of the society. People claimed that these were Vedic sacrifices. When the Vedas are not accepted through the authoritative disciplic succession, the casual readers of the Vedas are misled by the flowery language of that system of knowledge. In the Bhagavad-gita a comment has been made on such foolish scholars (avipascitah). The foolish scholars of Vedic literature who do not care to receive the transcendental message through the transcendental realized sources of disciplic succession are sure to be bewildered. To them, the ritualistic ceremonies are considered to be all in all. They have no depth of knowledge. According to the Bhagavad-gita (15.15), vedais ca sarvair aham eva vedyah: the whole system of the Vedas is to lead one gradually to the path of the Supreme Lord. The whole theme of Vedic literature is to know the Supreme Lord, the individual soul, the cosmic situation and the relation between all these items. When the relation is known, the relative function begins, and as a result of such a function the ultimate goal of life or going back to Godhead takes place in the easiest manner. Unfortunately, unauthorized scholars of the Vedas become captivated by the purificatory ceremonies only, and natural progress is thereby checked.

To such bewildered persons of atheistic propensity, Lord Buddha is the emblem of theism. He therefore first of all wanted to check the habit of animal-killing. The animal-killers are dangerous elements on the path going back to Godhead. There are two types of animal-killers. The soul is also sometimes called the "animal" or the living being. Therefore, both the slaughterer of animals and those who have lost their identity of soul are animal-killers.

Maharaja Pariksit said that only the animal-killer cannot relish the transcendental message of the Supreme Lord. Therefore if people are to be educated to the path of Godhead, they must be taught first and foremost to stop the process of animal-killing as above mentioned. It is nonsensical to say that animal-killing has nothing to do with spiritual realization. By this dangerous theory many so-called sannyasis have sprung up by the grace of Kali-yuga who preach animal-killing under the garb of the Vedas. The subject matter has already been discussed in the conversation between Lord Caitanya and Maulana Chand Kazi Shaheb. The animal sacrifice as stated in the Vedas is different from the unrestricted animal-killing in the slaughterhouse. Because the asuras or the so-called scholars of Vedic literatures put forward the evidence of animal-killing in the Vedas, Lord Buddha superficially denied the authority of the Vedas. This rejection of the Vedas by Lord Buddha was adopted in order to save people from the vice of animal-killing as well as to save the poor animals from the slaughtering process of their big brothers who clamor for universal brotherhood, peace, justice and equity. There is no justice when there is animal-killing. Lord Buddha wanted to stop it completely, and therefore his cult of ahimsa was propagated not only in India but also outside the country.

Technically Lord Buddha's philosophy is called atheistic because there is no acceptance of the Supreme Lord and because that system of philosophy denied the authority of the Vedas. But that is an act of camouflage by the Lord. Lord Buddha is the incarnation of Godhead. As such, he is the original propounder of Vedic knowledge. He therefore cannot reject Vedic philosophy. But he rejected it outwardly because the sura-dvisa, or the demons who are always envious of the devotees of Godhead, try to support cow-killing or animal-killing from the pages of the Vedas, and this is now being done by the modernized sannyasis. Lord Buddha had to reject the authority of the Vedas altogether. This is simply technical, and had it not been so he would not have been so accepted as the incarnation of Godhead. Nor would he have been worshiped in the transcendental songs of the poet Jayadeva, who is a Vaisnava acarya. Lord Buddha preached the preliminary principles of the Vedas in a manner suitable for the time, and so also did Sankaracarya to establish the authority of the Vedas. Therefore both Lord Buddha and Acarya Sankara paved the path of theism, and Vaisnava acaryas, specifically Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, led the people on the path towards a realization of going back to Godhead.

We are glad that people are taking interest in the nonviolent movement of Lord Buddha. But will they take the matter very seriously and close the animal slaughterhouses altogether? If not, there is no meaning to the ahimsa cult.

Srimad-Bhagavatam was composed just prior to the beginning of the age of Kali (about five thousand years ago), and Lord Buddha appeared about twenty-six hundred years ago. Therefore in the Srimad-Bhagavatam Lord Buddha is foretold. Such is the authority of this clear scripture. There are many such prophecies, and they are being fulfilled one after another. They will indicate the positive standing of Srimad-Bhagavatam, which is without any trace of mistake, illusion, cheating and imperfection, which are the four flaws of all conditioned souls. The liberated souls are above these flaws; therefore they can see and foretell things which are to take place on distant future dates.

Well one thing I know for sure, Buddha is dead, Krisha is dead, all the others are dead. Jesus is alive, and thru Him we have eternal life, and I don't have to follow any steps toward enlightenment, or be reincarnated over and over. I just have to accept that Jesus died for me. He did the work, so simple a solution.