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Anonymous Coward User ID: 29974886 Australia 10/02/2015 02:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why because some teacher told you the earth is a globe? Your genius is based upon the fact that someone told you the earth is a globe. Did you ever stop to use your own brain and decide for yourself? Therefore you are among the most idiotic people to have walked the planet lol! Walked the plane (NOT plane[t])! |
millerto User ID: 62224032 United States 10/02/2015 02:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why because some teacher told you the earth is a globe? Your genius is based upon the fact that someone told you the earth is a globe. Did you ever stop to use your own brain and decide for yourself? Therefore you are among the most idiotic people to have walked the planet lol! Walked the plane (NOT plane[t])! Did you ever stop watching loonies on youtube long enough to study the literature that has been out there for 2000 years on this subject? Listen. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ONE SINGLE EXPERIMENT PROVING A FLAT EARTH AND THERE ARE HUNDREDS PROVING IT ROUND. If you want to prove it flat, design an experiment, do some calculations, and publish the results. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70288826 United States 10/02/2015 02:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Westwood and Winkler were surveying prior to 1900 using chains and primitive equipment, a method that can only be used over a short distance this every survey leg was tangent to the radius of the earth and appeared flat over multiple legs. They were accounting for the curvature without even realizing it. Quoting: millerto Next. You're not going to find a lot of moderns making such bold claims...just quiet nods. I mean can you imagine the ridicule? Look at how you guys are so violently opposed to it no matter how much evidence get. It would be career suicide. You can disagree but I think I'm going to side with the pros who built and observed the things. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70288826 United States 10/02/2015 02:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anything built after the 40s "always accounts for curvature" lol. I wonder why they had to start actively saying that..probably because legit surveyors, engineers, etc had let the cat out of the bag and they had to put it back... |
millerto User ID: 62224032 United States 10/02/2015 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Westwood and Winkler were surveying prior to 1900 using chains and primitive equipment, a method that can only be used over a short distance this every survey leg was tangent to the radius of the earth and appeared flat over multiple legs. They were accounting for the curvature without even realizing it. Quoting: millerto Next. You're not going to find a lot of moderns making such bold claims...just quiet nods. I mean can you imagine the ridicule? Look at how you guys are so violently opposed to it no matter how much evidence get. It would be career suicide. You can disagree but I think I'm going to side with the pros who built and observed the things. What evidence? I have never seen evidence of a flat earth. All I see is what ifs and people lacking basic knowledge of physics. What if the moon was a light show? Hahahaha. Round earth casts round shadow on round moon. Has done so since the beginning of time. It's not a NASA conspiracy. Gallileo understood this shit. Magellan proved it. Copernicus proved it. Aristotle showed it. Eratosthenes even measured the damn circumference In 200 BC. Your beef is not with me. It is with them. Prove them wrong and I'll believe you. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70288826 United States 10/02/2015 02:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Westwood and Winkler were surveying prior to 1900 using chains and primitive equipment, a method that can only be used over a short distance this every survey leg was tangent to the radius of the earth and appeared flat over multiple legs. They were accounting for the curvature without even realizing it. Quoting: millerto Next. You're not going to find a lot of moderns making such bold claims...just quiet nods. I mean can you imagine the ridicule? Look at how you guys are so violently opposed to it no matter how much evidence get. It would be career suicide. You can disagree but I think I'm going to side with the pros who built and observed the things. What evidence? I have never seen evidence of a flat earth. All I see is what ifs and people lacking basic knowledge of physics. What if the moon was a light show? Hahahaha. Round earth casts round shadow on round moon. Has done so since the beginning of time. It's not a NASA conspiracy. Gallileo understood this shit. Magellan proved it. Copernicus proved it. Aristotle showed it. Eratosthenes even measured the damn circumference In 200 BC. Your beef is not with me. It is with them. Prove them wrong and I'll believe you. Hmmm no I think I'm going to leave the boylovers glorified by history alone on this one FOR NOW..as I do have a life outside this site, and that's a lot of homework. My beef is with no one, not even the lie.. I don't believe in so many coincidences. And as conditioned as I am to NOT accept the flat earth model there are just too many flaws in the round earth one. |
millerto User ID: 62224032 United States 10/02/2015 02:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Westwood and Winkler were surveying prior to 1900 using chains and primitive equipment, a method that can only be used over a short distance this every survey leg was tangent to the radius of the earth and appeared flat over multiple legs. They were accounting for the curvature without even realizing it. Quoting: millerto Next. You're not going to find a lot of moderns making such bold claims...just quiet nods. I mean can you imagine the ridicule? Look at how you guys are so violently opposed to it no matter how much evidence get. It would be career suicide. You can disagree but I think I'm going to side with the pros who built and observed the things. Okay. So now every engineer, surveyor, architect and designer post 1940 is in on it too? They just make up figures about the curvature of the earth. Man this thing just grows and grows. Last Edited by millerto on 10/02/2015 02:57 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70453326 United States 10/02/2015 03:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As OP noted earlier, the earth supposedly rotates and gyrates through the universe at multi-thousands of mph. So do the stars in the night sky, all zooming around in all different directions. One of the videos shows how, for some reason, the stars form neat circles and constellations overhead every night, over and over, through centuries and millennia. That regular pattern defies laws of physics. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70453326 1. What laws of physics? Zetetics is the process of discovering through personal observation and logic, as opposed to believing teachings of education and religious systems. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70453326 For example, observe clouds. If earth is spinning 1000 mph, how do clouds appear to hang around in one spot? We are taught that gravity holds air and clouds in place -- in spite of 1000 mph rotation and multi-thousands mph speeds following the fast-moving sun. Doesn't it seem more likely that clouds don't appear to move -- because they don't? 2. No it is not more likely. But thanks for proving you don't understand relative motion. We are also taught that a hard vacuum exists about a hundred miles or so above earth's surface. Apparently gravity keeps air from being sucked into the hard vacuum. Butterflies and bumblebees with tiny wings are able to defy gravity, but gravity is able to defy an all-encompassing vacuum? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70453326 How is this possible? Put the hose of a small vacuum cleaner over a rock the same diameter. Which will overtake the rock, gravity or the vacuum? Now compare a rock to particles of oxygen, nitrogen, bumblebees. If a small vacuum can suck up a rock, imagine what a humongous vacuum would do to air. 3. As mentioned on the multiple other threads this EXACT same thing was posted, a vacuum does not suck. A vacuum cleaner has objects pushed into it by the surrounding air pressure. One last do-it-yourself test. Look at any picture of the Pacific Ocean. It covers thousands of square miles of earth. Laws of liquid physics say that water must seek its own level, by taking the path of least resistance. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70453326 If the Pacific covers much of a globe, where does it have a level bed to lie in? Gravity requires it to lie completely flat. Carpenters and engineers use water "bubbles" in tools because water is the truest test of level. Where is the ocean level on a round earth? 4. follows the curve of the earth, same distance from the center of the earth. aka sea level. Answers: 1. Parallax. 2. Relativity works in some situations, not all. A passenger in a car traveling 60 mph is moving 60 mph. A bug inside the car, which flies from the back seat to the front, is flying 1 mph. Relative to the road it is doing 61, because its "atmosphere" is enclosed. Clouds have no such closed system in round earth theory. It is absurd to say that a particle of gas (nitrogen, oxygen, etc.) was somehow put in motion at 1000 mph and will continue to stay in motion, as Newton postulated. Nothing drags down its forward motion because a particle of air can not be slowed, no matter what. But, AC, don't gases disperse if not constricted? The idea that clouds hold their positions and shapes in a rotating atmosphere beggars the imagination. Likewise, clouds that we can observe many miles away. If they follow the earth's curvature, we should see them tilting down or away from us. Not the case, as any careful observer will notice. 3.Vacuums do suck in objects. The means by which they do so is not important. Blow up a balloon by compressing air. Open the balloon. Air disperses to equalize pressure. No air pressure in space. Earth is a an air-filled environment. It will naturally disperse upward to fill the vacuum, so to speak. Gravity, the weaker force, can not prevent air particles from escaping to fill the void of space. 4. As for your last answer, claiming that ocean water "follows the curve of the earth." Let me get this straight. You are saying that because of gravity, it is possible for water to be round. Round water. hmm. Not level. Round. The Pacific in round, not level. Right? Or round and level?? So everywhere else, water seeks its own LEVEL, meaning flat and parallel with earth's so-called center? Please pardon my confusion. If someone digs a canal, about 100 miles long, should the water in it curve around the earth? The formula for "drop" along a ball-shaped earth is ~ 8 inches times distance squared. Over 100 miles, there should be an arc, with a one-mile rise in the center. I am referring to the Suez Canal, of course. It connects the Red Sea with the Mediterranean and has no locks to adjust water height. It is level. How can this be? How can the Pacific Ocean not seek its own level. I stand for correction. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65382363 United States 10/02/2015 03:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yet again, you are severely underestimating the circumference of our planet. And again, the relationship between our atmosphere and space doesn't work that way. Stop posing "what if" and "how come" questions. Again, the burden of proof lies with you, not us. Yet, we've given you plenty of proof. Thousands of years of it to be exact. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 29974886 Australia 10/02/2015 03:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why because some teacher told you the earth is a globe? Your genius is based upon the fact that someone told you the earth is a globe. Did you ever stop to use your own brain and decide for yourself? Therefore you are among the most idiotic people to have walked the planet lol! Walked the plane (NOT plane[t])! Did you ever stop watching loonies on youtube long enough to study the literature that has been out there for 2000 years on this subject? Listen. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ONE SINGLE EXPERIMENT PROVING A FLAT EARTH AND THERE ARE HUNDREDS PROVING IT ROUND. If you want to prove it flat, design an experiment, do some calculations, and publish the results. All of the globalists out there need to stop drinking the Kool aid and parroting the propaganda and actually look into the matter and you'd will see the Earth cannot possibly be round. Six months ago I would have laughed at the flat earthers too until I saw a Youtube clip by Rob Skiba on the subject. He brought up a number of interesting points but I thought he "MUST BE WRONG BECAUSE EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THE EARTH IS ROUND" so I set out to debunk him. But after six months of 6 plus hours a day, 7 days a week research I have come to the conclusion that I was wrong and the earth is not a spinning ball in space. To learn the facts about the Plane Earth search YouTube for the following channels: Rob Skiba jeranism markksargent TheMorgile TigerDan925 Ashlee Webster MrThriveAndSurvive Flat Earth and other hot potatoes WakeTheSheeple2015 eric dubay If they can lie to you about the true nature of the Earth itself and get away with it then pulling off 9/11, Sandy Hook, the Boston Bombings, the Virginia shooting is nothing. For the people who are too intellectually lazy to look into the matter for yourselves, go back to sleep, the government and NASA wouldn't lie to you. Enjoy your New World Order, the coming fake asteroid and alien invasion, and that mysterious force called gravity that stops our oceans and atmosphere from being sucked off into the infinite vacuum of space as we spin on our axis at over 1,000 miles an hour, travelling round the Sun at 18.5 miles per second, as the Sun rotates around the galatic centre at 450,000 mph, yet the pole star Polaris never moves in the sky. lol, yeah right! |
millerto User ID: 62224032 United States 10/02/2015 03:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And by 6 hours a day of research you surely mean just watching a bunch of youtube videos right? Why don't you spend a few weeks recreating the experiments of the Greeks who figured this shit out 2000 years ago. Or were they just really planning that far ahead for Sandy hook? |
millerto User ID: 62224032 United States 10/02/2015 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And by 6 hours a day of research you surely mean just watching a bunch of youtube videos right? Quoting: millerto Why don't you spend a few weeks recreating the experiments of the Greeks who figured this shit out 2000 years ago. Or were they just really planning that far ahead for Sandy hook? I'm sorry that came across as rude. Here's a better attempt. Oh cool somebody who did actual research. Can you please detail your experiments and the findings thereof? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 65382363 United States 10/02/2015 03:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Enjoy your New World Order, the coming fake asteroid and alien invasion, and that mysterious force called gravity that stops our oceans and atmosphere from being sucked off into the infinite vacuum of space as we spin on our axis at over 1,000 miles an hour, travelling round the Sun at 18.5 miles per second, as the Sun rotates around the galatic centre at 450,000 mph, yet the pole star Polaris never moves in the sky. lol, yeah right! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29974886 So... You don't understand it therefore "magic" and "mysterious"? Did you know that low tech natives associated our aircraft as having a connection to the gods? Why? Because they didn't understand it. |
millerto User ID: 62224032 United States 10/02/2015 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Enjoy your New World Order, the coming fake asteroid and alien invasion, and that mysterious force called gravity that stops our oceans and atmosphere from being sucked off into the infinite vacuum of space as we spin on our axis at over 1,000 miles an hour, travelling round the Sun at 18.5 miles per second, as the Sun rotates around the galatic centre at 450,000 mph, yet the pole star Polaris never moves in the sky. lol, yeah right! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29974886 So... You don't understand it therefore "magic" and "mysterious"? Did you know that low tech natives associated our aircraft as having a connection to the gods? Why? Because they didn't understand it. Also the sun is just a guy riding a fiery chariot through the sky every day. We gotta sacrifice some virgins or he won't come back tomorrow. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 59482405 United States 10/02/2015 03:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If the earth is flat why can’t you stand on the shore of Lake Superior and see the opposite shore? Quoting: strgzr The beginning of this thread says it: please study up before asking some of the basic questions. Do your part. Study then come back. Study what? That the earth is flat? I’ll tell you what. You post one bit of convincing empirical evidence that shows the earth is flat. Let’s start with that. Exactly! Tell us why, if the is flat, how come there is day and night? If the earth is flat, ALL of earth would be constant daylight. There would be no night because nothing is turned away from the sun, like when the round earth rotates to create day and night. Think about that. |
AkashicRecord® User ID: 70464580 United States 10/02/2015 03:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If the earth is flat why can’t you stand on the shore of Lake Superior and see the opposite shore? Quoting: strgzr The beginning of this thread says it: please study up before asking some of the basic questions. Do your part. Study then come back. Study what? That the earth is flat? I’ll tell you what. You post one bit of convincing empirical evidence that shows the earth is flat. Let’s start with that. Exactly! Tell us why, if the is flat, how come there is day and night? If the earth is flat, ALL of earth would be constant daylight. There would be no night because nothing is turned away from the sun, like when the round earth rotates to create day and night. Think about that. Oh, that's because they say the Sun is only a few miles away, even though you can calculate that. Then they say that trigonometry (and thus, math and geometry) is wrong, and so on... Sorry, that message is no longer in the database. |
millerto User ID: 62224032 United States 10/02/2015 03:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69339734 The beginning of this thread says it: please study up before asking some of the basic questions. Do your part. Study then come back. Study what? That the earth is flat? I’ll tell you what. You post one bit of convincing empirical evidence that shows the earth is flat. Let’s start with that. Exactly! Tell us why, if the is flat, how come there is day and night? If the earth is flat, ALL of earth would be constant daylight. There would be no night because nothing is turned away from the sun, like when the round earth rotates to create day and night. Think about that. Oh, that's because they say the Sun is only a few miles away, even though you can calculate that. Then they say that trigonometry (and thus, math and geometry) is wrong, and so on... Or they say "but what if the moon and sun are just a light show" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29974886 Australia 10/02/2015 03:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And by 6 hours a day of research you surely mean just watching a bunch of youtube videos right? Quoting: millerto Why don't you spend a few weeks recreating the experiments of the Greeks who figured this shit out 2000 years ago. Or were they just really planning that far ahead for Sandy hook? Try to follow this, I'll try to type slowly and use small words so you don't get confused. (1) The stars are always in the sky, only in the daytime you can't see them because of the glare of the Sun. (2) This means that the stars on the Sun side of the earth are always invisible from earth. (3) So if the earth takes 6 month to go halfway around the earth the the stars on the Sun side of the earth are completely different stars. (4)Meaning the stars in the night sky from six months ago, would now be on the Sun side of the earth. Making them invisible to us as they would be in the daytime sky. (5) And we should have a totally different nighttime sky with totally different stars if the earth was traveling around the Sun. (5) But that is not what we see. Check out the Planetarium - Interactive star map and virtual sky [link to neave.com] or just go outside in the nighttime and look up. (6) This one FACT alone proves the earth doesn't go around the Sun. End of story, and if some old Greek guy was dumb enough to believe otherwise then good luck to him. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70462983 United Kingdom 10/02/2015 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anything built after the 40s "always accounts for curvature" lol. I wonder why they had to start actively saying that..probably because legit surveyors, engineers, etc had let the cat out of the bag and they had to put it back... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70288826 Go back to Victorian and Edwardian times, and civil engineers were openly saying that no great feats of construction ever took any "curvature" into account, ie. the railways everywhere, the Suez Canal etc. etc. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70462983 United Kingdom 10/02/2015 03:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And by 6 hours a day of research you surely mean just watching a bunch of youtube videos right? Quoting: millerto Why don't you spend a few weeks recreating the experiments of the Greeks who figured this shit out 2000 years ago. Or were they just really planning that far ahead for Sandy hook? Try to follow this, I'll try to type slowly and use small words so you don't get confused. (1) The stars are always in the sky, only in the daytime you can't see them because of the glare of the Sun. (2) This means that the stars on the Sun side of the earth are always invisible from earth. (3) So if the earth takes 6 month to go halfway around the earth the the stars on the Sun side of the earth are completely different stars. (4)Meaning the stars in the night sky from six months ago, would now be on the Sun side of the earth. Making them invisible to us as they would be in the daytime sky. (5) And we should have a totally different nighttime sky with totally different stars if the earth was traveling around the Sun. (5) But that is not what we see. Check out the Planetarium - Interactive star map and virtual sky [link to neave.com] or just go outside in the nighttime and look up. (6) This one FACT alone proves the earth doesn't go around the Sun. End of story, and if some old Greek guy was dumb enough to believe otherwise then good luck to him. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 69797435 United States 10/02/2015 04:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And by 6 hours a day of research you surely mean just watching a bunch of youtube videos right? Quoting: millerto Why don't you spend a few weeks recreating the experiments of the Greeks who figured this shit out 2000 years ago. Or were they just really planning that far ahead for Sandy hook? Try to follow this, I'll try to type slowly and use small words so you don't get confused. (1) The stars are always in the sky, only in the daytime you can't see them because of the glare of the Sun. (2) This means that the stars on the Sun side of the earth are always invisible from earth. (3) So if the earth takes 6 month to go halfway around the earth the the stars on the Sun side of the earth are completely different stars. (4)Meaning the stars in the night sky from six months ago, would now be on the Sun side of the earth. Making them invisible to us as they would be in the daytime sky. (5) And we should have a totally different nighttime sky with totally different stars if the earth was traveling around the Sun. (5) But that is not what we see. Check out the Planetarium - Interactive star map and virtual sky [link to neave.com] or just go outside in the nighttime and look up. (6) This one FACT alone proves the earth doesn't go around the Sun. End of story, and if some old Greek guy was dumb enough to believe otherwise then good luck to him. [link to scienceblogs.com] The stars we see at night do change from season to season as the round Earth orbits the sun, idiot. |
AkashicRecord® User ID: 20839733 United States 10/02/2015 04:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And by 6 hours a day of research you surely mean just watching a bunch of youtube videos right? Quoting: millerto Why don't you spend a few weeks recreating the experiments of the Greeks who figured this shit out 2000 years ago. Or were they just really planning that far ahead for Sandy hook? Try to follow this, I'll try to type slowly and use small words so you don't get confused. (1) The stars are always in the sky, only in the daytime you can't see them because of the glare of the Sun. (2) This means that the stars on the Sun side of the earth are always invisible from earth. (3) So if the earth takes 6 month to go halfway around the earth the the stars on the Sun side of the earth are completely different stars. (4)Meaning the stars in the night sky from six months ago, would now be on the Sun side of the earth. Making them invisible to us as they would be in the daytime sky. (5) And we should have a totally different nighttime sky with totally different stars if the earth was traveling around the Sun. (5) But that is not what we see. Check out the Planetarium - Interactive star map and virtual sky [link to neave.com] or just go outside in the nighttime and look up. (6) This one FACT alone proves the earth doesn't go around the Sun. End of story, and if some old Greek guy was dumb enough to believe otherwise then good luck to him. Way to prove that you actually haven't left the basement... We do have different stars in the seasonal skies. Sorry, that message is no longer in the database. |
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IMALUNIATI JESTER User ID: 70452580 Australia 10/02/2015 04:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | my question is - WHY???? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64392862 why why why would they LIE to us about the earth being flat all this time? Why is NASA or TPTB or whoever is supposedly in control of this lie going to all this trouble to convince us the earth is round? What would THEY be gaining from telling us the earth is round when its really flat? Why? - is simple... If the Earth is really flat and they convince you it is globular, then ALL OTHER CONSPIRACIES are a piece of piss to make idiots like yourself believe. What would they gain??? - Work it out numbnuts...! "GLOBULAR DOMINATION" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 58653634 United States 10/02/2015 05:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let me get this straight. You are saying that because of gravity, it is possible for water to be round. Round water. hmm. Not level. Round. The Pacific in round, not level. Right? Or round and level?? ^^^From some idiot a few post up, this is the level of intelligence any of you are arguing with, what maybe 6th grade? |