You presume You are the Body.

So we are just pure consciousness?

Do you think anyone in this thread knows any more than you do? What do your senses tell you? What do YOU find when you ask yourself this question?

People need to learn to think for themselves.

we know one word

Sabotage

You presume that this fantastic instrument - our body is not conscious, but expand the definition of conscious and you will see that every cell is conscious, interacting with environment, resounds as the finest musical instrument at the slightest stimulu, your narative, you - is their communication with each other...

I figure op by the time the balances are tipped with more righteousness dead in the physical outweighs those alive in the flesh a great spiritual battle will ensue. Consciousness is watching.

Pretty sure most people know about OBE's, NDE's, etc. Therefore, OP is being VERY presumptuous in his assertion that none of his readers believe in anything beyond the material world...

In some esoteric faiths the body is a temple, a house for a soul. If you read history, you will see an astonishing correlation in the rise and fall of Nations, States, Countries and Kingdom's to various temples of the Ancient world

When Countries (people), began to worship various "gods" they built temples (bodies) to house the "essence" and or the "Soul" of their "gods".

These temples were basically the "physical" representation of their deities. They represented the manifestation of particular objects, things such as sky, (Zeus), oceans ( Posiden ), underworld (hades) etc.

When life (this reality ) became difficult (wars, famine, earthquakes, floods etc), people abandoned their "gods" and the temples crumbled as did their civilizations.

There is a moral to this story, Can anyone tell me what they think it might be?

It's funny you should post this; I was just thinking about it. That's spooky, but here goes.

God, Allah, The Grand Architect; whatever you want to call them, is the creator. We know this; but what are we the creation?

The Holographic Principal (First Hypothesized in the Gnostic Gospels!) shows us that we are light bound into matter, of which all atoms are constructed. This matter forms protein chains on which are encoded into what we call DNA. We are the produce of this DNA and it forms our bodies. We have brains formed from proteins programmed by DNA and these brains are a quasibiological computer. Our consciousness is like software running on the biological computers in our heads!

Now we know what we are, we must think of why we were created. We know there is a game called The Sims; where fictional people entertain the person playing the game.

Here's the kicker; what if we are Sims? What if our purpose is simply to entertain the Great Programmer; who made us to through our intellect and creativity simply to alleviate the Great Programmer of boredom!

Think about it; we live in a sandbox game where the only limitations are the ones we place on ourselves. Through our submission to authority; whether they be government, religious or even forceful characters!

Sure there are physical limitations through needing to breathe and the inability to fly; but only the rules of polite society stop us from engaging in total anarchy!

We have near total physical freedom within the parameters of the game we are playing. We can watch copious amounts of legal midget porn until we're hairy palmed and blind.

What would the Great Programmer want from us, what would we want for ourselves. If we look at neurobiology we learn that what we like causes pleasure circuits in the brain to become active. This shows us that we are fulfilling our role to entertain the Great Programmer.

Sorry, that's as far as I got. Feel free to add more!

Temples made by man of stone are false? Just guessing here

There is only one

The Body

And it's Jesse Ventura

I do not presume anything OP.

Lol

That is an obvious answer however the rabbit hole goes much deeper than that.

Agreed but if u are going all tsarion or Maxwell ...ugh

The extension of thinking as existing is that not everything thinks but often simply perceives. I perceive, therefore I am.

A tree does not think yet it is a tree. It reacts to the stimuli around it..sunlight, gases, nutrition. Therefore it is a tree. We perceive it as a tree...or as a system of processes.

That is the key to the universe. We exist as we perceive and we are all part of an infinite series of processes that defines us to one another, however we are perceived to be.

No, I am not going "tsarion or Maxwell" on you. (I don't even know who "they" are). Just trying to stimulate some theological, philisophical debate sprinkled with a little logic is all.

I think that the moral is those who believe do so when things are good. They look for a source of their contentment and subscribe to the notions of gods like the of God of Rocks. (Rockacular.)

I made that up, but it's indicative of people searching for coincidences to ascribe their faith to something in hope of continuous beneficial actions for them.) Ie worshipping Rockacular to get better rain for harvests!

When Rockacular screws up and there's a drought; the people say, "Screw Rockacular he's a wuss!" And the temple to Rockacular falls into disrepair.

I think it's indicative of greed; something which I maintain is a fundamental animal trait. Every mouse wants a million kilos of cheese sort of thing. I think greed is more about present and future security; whether that be food security or monetary security or even personal security. Like having a million dollars helps you sleep at night because you don't have to worry about bills to pay.

Hopefully someone will provide a better insight or add to my post!

I disagree; we are not our sense data. Neither are we the socially constructed entities that social scientists would have us believe. If we were our sense data; once we stopped sensing ie unconscious we would cease to exist!

I am not the "op" however I am "aspiring" to be a "philanthropist".

And I am so tired of thinking/feeling this way.

How do you know what I presume?

OP presumes

Oh well we're just such idiot monkeys for falling for the most grand illusion and deception ever created...

So what? This is CRUEL, and if there is 'higher' life, how 'high' can they REALLY be for allowing this to continue? BS, the lot of it. There exists NO acceptable explanation.

We have been done wrong, most likely.

Do I want revenge? Justice? Sympathy? No. I just want equality, truth, and a fair chance at being. I'm over it.

Give me truth or give me obliteration. This is nonsense.

We are not "sense data", on the contrary, data is feedback information letting us know the boundaries of this "reality".

Than you ;)

Freemasonry is a further geometrical expression of the brilliance of Jesus ....
:)

no, but freemasonry is demonstrating a unified field...

but, you could say - by adding the "one" to the equation, it becomes whole and unified...

don't tell me what I presume, you insolent little tit

Some have, others should
I never....
:)

Very well put