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Anonymous Coward User ID: 11966602 United States 10/15/2015 07:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They say Benjamin but I have my doubts. I know solely based on the fact that I am of slave descent. You should well have your doubts that your ancestors are "israelite" at all. Learn more about Africa and where the slaves really came from. Maybe get a DNA test if the genealogy just isn't there. Find your real roots. I do not need to know the exact tribe name to be certain of them. But I know for a fact I am an Israelite based on migration. The Lemba tribe is proof of that. Do you know your ancestors were Lemba? If so, how? |
Saracen (OP) User ID: 69152714 Canada 10/15/2015 07:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Saracen 69152714 They say Benjamin but I have my doubts. I know solely based on the fact that I am of slave descent. You should well have your doubts that your ancestors are "israelite" at all. Learn more about Africa and where the slaves really came from. Maybe get a DNA test if the genealogy just isn't there. Find your real roots. I do not need to know the exact tribe name to be certain of them. But I know for a fact I am an Israelite based on migration. The Lemba tribe is proof of that. Do you know your ancestors were Lemba? If so, how? I was using them as an example. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11966602 United States 10/15/2015 07:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Adytum You should well have your doubts that your ancestors are "israelite" at all. Learn more about Africa and where the slaves really came from. Maybe get a DNA test if the genealogy just isn't there. Find your real roots. I do not need to know the exact tribe name to be certain of them. But I know for a fact I am an Israelite based on migration. The Lemba tribe is proof of that. Do you know your ancestors were Lemba? If so, how? I was using them as an example. Well, that's why I'm saying -- if I were you, I would want to find out where my ancestors were really from and what they believed. Maybe there would be more value in that than in all the books of occultism in the whole world. You might even find the "magic" you are really looking for. Or not. Do what you want. All I can do is point you in an authentic direction. |
Saracen (OP) User ID: 69152714 Canada 10/15/2015 08:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Saracen 69152714 I do not need to know the exact tribe name to be certain of them. But I know for a fact I am an Israelite based on migration. The Lemba tribe is proof of that. Do you know your ancestors were Lemba? If so, how? I was using them as an example. Well, that's why I'm saying -- if I were you, I would want to find out where my ancestors were really from and what they believed. Maybe there would be more value in that than in all the books of occultism in the whole world. You might even find the "magic" you are really looking for. Or not. Do what you want. All I can do is point you in an authentic direction. I am firmly on the right path and the thing is, I fucking know it (pardon my french lol)! Honing in on me being unaware of my certain "tribe" is being really childish on your part. You are the one with 10+ nationalies! Please stop while you are ahead. You just disagree with my beliefs. Can we agree on that? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11966602 United States 10/15/2015 08:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, that's why I'm saying -- if I were you, I would want to find out where my ancestors were really from and what they believed. Maybe there would be more value in that than in all the books of occultism in the whole world. You might even find the "magic" you are really looking for. Or not. Do what you want. All I can do is point you in an authentic direction. I am firmly on the right path and the thing is, I fucking know it (pardon my french lol)! Honing in on me being unaware of my certain "tribe" is being really childish on your part. You are the one with 10+ nationalies! Please stop while you are ahead. You just disagree with my beliefs. Can we agree on that? Do what you want. Believe what you want. |
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Saracen (OP) User ID: 69152714 Canada 10/15/2015 08:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, that's why I'm saying -- if I were you, I would want to find out where my ancestors were really from and what they believed. Maybe there would be more value in that than in all the books of occultism in the whole world. You might even find the "magic" you are really looking for. Or not. Do what you want. All I can do is point you in an authentic direction. I am firmly on the right path and the thing is, I fucking know it (pardon my french lol)! Honing in on me being unaware of my certain "tribe" is being really childish on your part. You are the one with 10+ nationalies! Please stop while you are ahead. You just disagree with my beliefs. Can we agree on that? Do what you want. Believe what you want. Funny thing is, these past few year, I have come to know more than I believe. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11966602 United States 10/15/2015 08:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Adytum Well, that's why I'm saying -- if I were you, I would want to find out where my ancestors were really from and what they believed. Maybe there would be more value in that than in all the books of occultism in the whole world. You might even find the "magic" you are really looking for. Or not. Do what you want. All I can do is point you in an authentic direction. I am firmly on the right path and the thing is, I fucking know it (pardon my french lol)! Honing in on me being unaware of my certain "tribe" is being really childish on your part. You are the one with 10+ nationalies! Please stop while you are ahead. You just disagree with my beliefs. Can we agree on that? Do what you want. Believe what you want. Funny thing is, these past few year, I have come to know more than I believe. I have come to see and know things -- and they have made me QUESTION my beliefs. If the spirit really revealed itself to you, how would you know that it was the real deal? How would you know it wasn't a deception? There is a reason the study of Kaballah was forbidden to anyone younger than 40. I hope you are not a young man. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37214159 United States 10/15/2015 08:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | According to the Zohar, when God fell into physical existence he/she took on a "earthly garment". It specifically says that God had a "garment of flesh, skin, veins, and bones." Quoting: Saracen 69152714 The qabbalists called this garment the "black material body". So those who think (G)od does not have a body, think again. clothed in sackcloth |
Saracen (OP) User ID: 69152714 Canada 10/15/2015 08:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Saracen 69152714 I am firmly on the right path and the thing is, I fucking know it (pardon my french lol)! Honing in on me being unaware of my certain "tribe" is being really childish on your part. You are the one with 10+ nationalies! Please stop while you are ahead. You just disagree with my beliefs. Can we agree on that? Do what you want. Believe what you want. Funny thing is, these past few year, I have come to know more than I believe. I have come to see and know things -- and they have made me QUESTION my beliefs. If the spirit really revealed itself to you, how would you know that it was the real deal? How would you know it wasn't a deception? There is a reason the study of Kaballah was forbidden to anyone younger than 40. I hope you are not a young man. Why have belief in the first place? Wouldn't Gnosis be better? Remember, knowledge is king! If you are getting the right knowledge, nothing can touch you, even deceptive forces. Deceptive forces only pray on the ignorant. Would you consider a man in his third cycle of regeneration a young man? |
Saracen (OP) User ID: 69152714 Canada 10/15/2015 08:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Funny thing is, these past few year, I have come to know more than I believe. I have come to see and know things -- and they have made me QUESTION my beliefs. If the spirit really revealed itself to you, how would you know that it was the real deal? How would you know it wasn't a deception? There is a reason the study of Kaballah was forbidden to anyone younger than 40. I hope you are not a young man. Why have belief in the first place? Wouldn't Gnosis be better? Remember, knowledge is king! If you are getting the right knowledge, nothing can touch you, even deceptive forces. Deceptive forces only pray on the ignorant. Would you consider a man in his third cycle of regeneration a young man? correction* Fourth cycle of regeneration |
Montblanc User ID: 69564176 Portugal 10/15/2015 09:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You know nothing and see nothing. Quoting: Adytum But I do have cute little dimples. I don't know how you knew that. You speak of something you are not privy to. You're a witless fool. Quoting: Adytum I know that. It's hardly a secret. You should have kept that under your hat. Eh? It usually ends when one of you Harry Potter types threatens to cast a spell on me. Oh noes! Simply... It is my project to undo all that. We had our own spiritual traditions -- and they might have come from the East, but not from the Jews (or those that carried water for them). Tell me for all your Kaballistic training (if you really had any) and all your years of experience (if you are not very young), what have you SEEN and how do you KNOW what it was? Go ahead. This is your chance to defend all your studies. (You probably think I know nothing about Kaballah.) Impress me. I thought you were just being a douch but after reading your posts in this thread I'm impressed. It's a given that jews copied their mythology from the older civs in the crescent. They are also some of the biggest editors of stolen mythos in the world followed by their abrahamic spawn. So, you are right, nothing worthy comes with their teachings that others haven't writ before. I'm probably of sephardic descent but can't be sure and the mix in my lineage probably contains every breed from persia to iberia so in this regard I'm different in that I no longer care about my ancestors gods. At one point they were likely jewish but if they were they were of the stock who loved their home more than any god since they became new christians. Whatever it worked for them I respect since I myself abandoned the beliefs I inherited long ago. All I know is that anyone who's alive now descends from the first men and we probably even descend from beings not so human too but that remains to be answered with more certainty. As for gods, well, I came to believe that they were all probably great men from the distant past whose deeds became old legends and the names were deified but that is also my perspective and it holds the value it has. Last Edited by Montblanc on 10/15/2015 09:41 PM Noblesse Oblige |
Adytum, nli User ID: 11966602 United States 10/15/2015 11:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You know nothing and see nothing. Quoting: Adytum But I do have cute little dimples. I don't know how you knew that. You speak of something you are not privy to. You're a witless fool. Quoting: Adytum I know that. It's hardly a secret. You should have kept that under your hat. Eh? It usually ends when one of you Harry Potter types threatens to cast a spell on me. Oh noes! Simply... It is my project to undo all that. We had our own spiritual traditions -- and they might have come from the East, but not from the Jews (or those that carried water for them). Tell me for all your Kaballistic training (if you really had any) and all your years of experience (if you are not very young), what have you SEEN and how do you KNOW what it was? Go ahead. This is your chance to defend all your studies. (You probably think I know nothing about Kaballah.) Impress me. I thought you were just being a douch but after reading your posts in this thread I'm impressed. It's a given that jews copied their mythology from the older civs in the crescent. They are also some of the biggest editors of stolen mythos in the world followed by their abrahamic spawn. So, you are right, nothing worthy comes with their teachings that others haven't writ before. I'm probably of sephardic descent but can't be sure and the mix in my lineage probably contains every breed from persia to iberia so in this regard I'm different in that I no longer care about my ancestors gods. At one point they were likely jewish but if they were they were of the stock who loved their home more than any god since they became new christians. Whatever it worked for them I respect since I myself abandoned the beliefs I inherited long ago. All I know is that anyone who's alive now descends from the first men and we probably even descend from beings not so human too but that remains to be answered with more certainty. As for gods, well, I came to believe that they were all probably great men from the distant past whose deeds became old legends and the names were deified but that is also my perspective and it holds the value it has. Actually, I have some distant (nine hundred years ago) Jewish ancestors. I have respect for Jewish traditions -- for Jews. I just think all men should honor the traditions of their own societies and ancestors. The overwhelming majority of my ancestors were gentile Europeans. (And I have studied Kaballah to some extent -- in translation -- the Zohar and Sepher Yetzirah.) And, yes, the OT itself was probably borrowed from Sumerian/Mesopotamian and Egyptian myths as well as the myths of various other peoples in the Middle East. Now, in the case of these euhemerized gods, I believe some (such as Odin) may really have been god-men, probably shamans, who had mastered methods of ecstasy -- access to spiritual worlds. They are ancestor spirits in some cases. They are culture heroes -- and like Yahweh to the ancient Semites, a creator god, psychopomp, divine opponent of chaos/evil etc. Our traditions have some similarities and parallels, and of course, many differences. I would not recommend that a Jewish person NOT study Kaballah. You, for instance, may have a unique perspective, since you understand the cultural background of ancient Judaism -- and a religion does not have to be the ur-religion to have value and truth, IMO. So, thanks. Not really trying to be a giant douche, though sometimes it happens. ;) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 2071399 United States 11/05/2015 04:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Adytum You're a witless fool. I know that. It's hardly a secret. You should have kept that under your hat. Like clockwork, you guys resort to insults when rendered speechless. This usually means the end of the discourse lol Am I right? Eh? It usually ends when one of you Harry Potter types threatens to cast a spell on me. Oh noes! Simply... What is your main contention with my original post? have you already an assigned demon ? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70679628 United States 11/05/2015 05:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He was catholic Where did Albert Pike get his theology and material for his work "Morals & Dogma"? There are several sources, but one of his greatest sources was from two books by an occultists and popularizer of black magick by the name of Eliphas Levi. Eliphas Levi was a defrocked Roman Catholic Priest who was originally named Alphonse Louis Constant (1810 - 1875). Eliphas Levi was an accomplished Demon possessed Satanist, who is responsible for the occult revival, along with Pike and Blavatsky. The Artwork of Morals and Dogma is copied in exact illustration, from the books of Eliphas Levi. In addition many paragraphs are lifted straight out of the works of Eliphas Levi. Many people who start in Freemasonry have no idea who Eliphas Levi is. He was the founder of Modern Satanism. He is the Father of the occult revival of the past 150 years. The purpose of Freemasonry is to get masons in the teachings of Elphas Levi. [link to www.templarhistory.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70859647 United States 11/21/2015 10:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Adytum It doesn't "relate". That is not my point. You are obtuse. We never needed their fables in the first place -- Christianity OR Kabbalah. We had our own stories -- and damn good ones. Fuck the occult-fags. Where did you get your fables in the first place? I am a descendent of Odin. He speaks to me. He says Chritians and Kaballists are weak sauce. He says I could take most of them in a fair fight. Delusions of Grandeur! You may be able to take me in a physical fight, but one based on knowledge or the battle of words, you do not stand a chance! I'll say. I don't this GLPer could lick the dew off a Fey in a fight to be honest. Was a good thread before he vomit. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70859141 Canada 11/21/2015 11:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He was catholic Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70679628 Where did Albert Pike get his theology and material for his work "Morals & Dogma"? There are several sources, but one of his greatest sources was from two books by an occultists and popularizer of black magick by the name of Eliphas Levi. Eliphas Levi was a defrocked Roman Catholic Priest who was originally named Alphonse Louis Constant (1810 - 1875). Eliphas Levi was an accomplished Demon possessed Satanist, who is responsible for the occult revival, along with Pike and Blavatsky. The Artwork of Morals and Dogma is copied in exact illustration, from the books of Eliphas Levi. In addition many paragraphs are lifted straight out of the works of Eliphas Levi. Many people who start in Freemasonry have no idea who Eliphas Levi is. He was the founder of Modern Satanism. He is the Father of the occult revival of the past 150 years. The purpose of Freemasonry is to get masons in the teachings of Elphas Levi. [link to www.templarhistory.com] ^^^^^^THIS... Saracen, you are either young or a detractor. If you are young then please keep reading but save the Eliphas Levi until you have the adequate context. |
Saracen User ID: 70862745 United States 11/21/2015 11:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He was catholic Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70679628 Where did Albert Pike get his theology and material for his work "Morals & Dogma"? There are several sources, but one of his greatest sources was from two books by an occultists and popularizer of black magick by the name of Eliphas Levi. Eliphas Levi was a defrocked Roman Catholic Priest who was originally named Alphonse Louis Constant (1810 - 1875). Eliphas Levi was an accomplished Demon possessed Satanist, who is responsible for the occult revival, along with Pike and Blavatsky. The Artwork of Morals and Dogma is copied in exact illustration, from the books of Eliphas Levi. In addition many paragraphs are lifted straight out of the works of Eliphas Levi. Many people who start in Freemasonry have no idea who Eliphas Levi is. He was the founder of Modern Satanism. He is the Father of the occult revival of the past 150 years. The purpose of Freemasonry is to get masons in the teachings of Elphas Levi. [link to www.templarhistory.com] ^^^^^^THIS... Saracen, you are either young or a detractor. If you are young then please keep reading but save the Eliphas Levi until you have the adequate context. Remember Satan is the one who rebelled against God, not Lucifer. Lucifer was created in Satans image. So those who worship Satan are actually worshipping the true and living (g)od. But I highly doubt most actually practice the right rites and rituals. |
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